While I now believe in the sinful nature again

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We still get tempted by sin, and if we want to sin we still have the choice to sin, but if we do not want to sin, and hate sin, we have the Holy Spirit to cause us not to sin, for we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, for we have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts, and show the ways of the Spirit, which there is no ways of the flesh there, and God will not allow us to be tempted above what we are able, and will give us an escape from the temptation so we can bear it.

Paul says we have the 2 natures, and said when he does good, evil is still present with him, so by the flesh he serves sin, not that he is sinning but he is tempted, which he said there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh, but with the mind he serves Christ.

Even Jesus when on earth was tempted in all points as we are, yet without sin, so if the man Christ Jesus could not escape temptation, and had the 2 natures, how will we escape it, but the man Christ Jesus was always led of the Spirit, so even though his flesh was tempted to sin he did not have a desire to sin being God manifest in the flesh.

We will be tempted and we might sin, but we can be forgiven, but we should have the right attitude that sin does affect our relationship with God, and to hate sin, for without that attitude we cannot be led of the Spirit, for the Spirit will not lead anybody that enjoys sin, for then they are led of the flesh.
 
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MattforJesus said:
We still get tempted by sin, and if we want to sin we still have the choice to sin, but if we do not want to sin, and hate sin, we have the Holy Spirit to cause us not to sin, for we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, for we have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts, and show the ways of the Spirit, which there is no ways of the flesh there, and God will not allow us to be tempted above what we are able, and will give us an escape from the temptation so we can bear it.

Paul says we have the 2 natures, and said when he does good, evil is still present with him, so by the flesh he serves sin, not that he is sinning but he is tempted, which he said there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh, but with the mind he serves Christ.

Even Jesus when on earth was tempted in all points as we are, yet without sin, so if the man Christ Jesus could not escape temptation, and had the 2 natures, how will we escape it, but the man Christ Jesus was always led of the Spirit, so even though his flesh was tempted to sin he did not have a desire to sin being God manifest in the flesh.

We will be tempted and we might sin, but we can be forgiven, but we should have the right attitude that sin does affect our relationship with God, and to hate sin, for without that attitude we cannot be led of the Spirit, for the Spirit will not lead anybody that enjoys sin, for then they are led of the flesh.
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AMEN! This is what this brother was adressing in this video
 
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MattforJesus said:
We still get tempted by sin, and if we want to sin we still have the choice to sin, but if we do not want to sin, and hate sin, we have the Holy Spirit to cause us not to sin, for we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, for we have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts, and show the ways of the Spirit, which there is no ways of the flesh there, and God will not allow us to be tempted above what we are able, and will give us an escape from the temptation so we can bear it.

Paul says we have the 2 natures, and said when he does good, evil is still present with him, so by the flesh he serves sin, not that he is sinning but he is tempted, which he said there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh, but with the mind he serves Christ.

Even Jesus when on earth was tempted in all points as we are, yet without sin, so if the man Christ Jesus could not escape temptation, and had the 2 natures, how will we escape it, but the man Christ Jesus was always led of the Spirit, so even though his flesh was tempted to sin he did not have a desire to sin being God manifest in the flesh.

We will be tempted and we might sin, but we can be forgiven, but we should have the right attitude that sin does affect our relationship with God, and to hate sin, for without that attitude we cannot be led of the Spirit, for the Spirit will not lead anybody that enjoys sin, for then they are led of the flesh.
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Your thread is a good look at what can lead a person to understanding their bible. Understanding nature, whether the sin nature or the nature of God that is in christ in you now, is a key to help believers understand the scriptures. A point I would bring out is a human being can only have one nature at a time. And Christ did not have a sin nature, nature comes from a father, nature is in the seed, God was His Father.
 
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Its the Catholics who must walk by sight as if the kingdom of God comes by observation that coined the phrase. "Hypostatic union" It is not a doctrine of God but that of men who compare themselves to and by themselves as that seen (no faith)

I think that when we try to give Christ, the eternal anointing Holy Spirit of God, our unseen teacher, comforter and guide a nature(beginning ) things can go astray.

God is not a man as us .He is typified as Emanuel God with us, in us, as new creatures

God is supernatural without nature as a beginning . He remains without mother and father beginning of spirit life or end thereof as our High Priest continually typified by Melchisedec. (Hebrews 7)

The word nature as to how it is used is the key.
 
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Noblemen said:
Your thread is a good look at what can lead a person to understanding their bible. Understanding nature, whether the sin nature or the nature of God that is in christ in you now, is a key to help believers understand the scriptures. A point I would bring out is a human being can only have one nature at a time. And Christ did not have a sin nature, nature comes from a father, nature is in the seed, God was His Father.
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"nature is in the seed" - Mary's virgin birth child came from "her seed" Gen 3:15 therefore, Jesus had the sin nature and was made like us "in every way" Heb 2:17.

What the Law could not do, because human nature was weak, God did. He condemned sin in human nature by sending his own Son, who came with a nature like our sinful nature, to do away with sin.
Romans 8:3 GNT
https://bible.com/bible/68/rom.8.3.GNT
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
"nature is in the seed" - Mary's virgin birth child came from "her seed" Gen 3:15 therefore, Jesus had the sin nature and was made like us "in every way" Heb 2:17.

What the Law could not do, because human nature was weak, God did. He condemned sin in human nature by sending his own Son, who came with a nature like our sinful nature, to do away with sin.
Romans 8:3 GNT
https://bible.com/bible/68/rom.8.3.GNT
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LOL you just don't have a clue what Genesis 3:15 says. Christ is the woman's seed; he didn't come from her "seed".
 
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LW97 said:
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"Knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin." Romans 6:6-7
 
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MattforJesus said:
We still get tempted by sin, and if we want to sin we still have the choice to sin, but if we do not want to sin, and hate sin, we have the Holy Spirit to cause us not to sin, for we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, for we have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts, and show the ways of the Spirit, which there is no ways of the flesh there, and God will not allow us to be tempted above what we are able, and will give us an escape from the temptation so we can bear it.

Paul says we have the 2 natures, and said when he does good, evil is still present with him, so by the flesh he serves sin, not that he is sinning but he is tempted, which he said there is no good thing that dwells in the flesh, but with the mind he serves Christ.

Even Jesus when on earth was tempted in all points as we are, yet without sin, so if the man Christ Jesus could not escape temptation, and had the 2 natures, how will we escape it, but the man Christ Jesus was always led of the Spirit, so even though his flesh was tempted to sin he did not have a desire to sin being God manifest in the flesh.

We will be tempted and we might sin, but we can be forgiven, but we should have the right attitude that sin does affect our relationship with God, and to hate sin, for without that attitude we cannot be led of the Spirit, for the Spirit will not lead anybody that enjoys sin, for then they are led of the flesh.
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Two natures at the same time or one nature before salvation and another after salvation?
 
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OstrichSmiling said:
"Knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin." Romans 6:6-7
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Are you suggesting that says we don't have the sinful nature? If so, you are wrong. Christians still have the sinful nature:

Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to do what your sinful nature urges you to do.
Romans 8:12 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.12.NLT
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
Are you suggesting that says we don't have the sinful nature? If so, you are wrong. Christians still have the sinful nature:

Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to do what your sinful nature urges you to do.
Romans 8:12 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.12.NLT
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Galatians 5:24 - Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number: 4561Original WordWord Origin
savrxprobably from the base of (4563)
Transliterated WordTDNT Entry
Sarx7:98,1000
Phonetic SpellingParts of Speech
sarxNoun Feminine
Definition
  1. flesh (the soft substance of the living body, which covers the bones and is permeated with blood) of both man and beasts
  2. the body
    1. the body of a man
    2. used of natural or physical origin, generation or relationship
      1. born of natural generation
    3. the sensuous nature of man, "the animal nature"
      1. without any suggestion of depravity
      2. the animal nature with cravings which incite to sin
      3. the physical nature of man as subject to suffering
  3. a living creature (because possessed of a body of flesh) whether man or beast
  4. the flesh, denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to God

King James Word Usage - Total: 151
flesh 147, carnal 2, carnally minded + (5427)&version=kjv 1, fleshly 1




"The things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a man 'unclean.'" (Matthew 15:18-20)
 
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OstrichSmiling said:
Galatians 5:24 - Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number: 4561Original WordWord Origin
savrxprobably from the base of (4563)
Transliterated WordTDNT Entry
Sarx7:98,1000
Phonetic SpellingParts of Speech
sarxNoun Feminine
Definition
  1. flesh (the soft substance of the living body, which covers the bones and is permeated with blood) of both man and beasts
  2. the body
    1. the body of a man
    2. used of natural or physical origin, generation or relationship
      1. born of natural generation
    3. the sensuous nature of man, "the animal nature"
      1. without any suggestion of depravity
      2. the animal nature with cravings which incite to sin
      3. the physical nature of man as subject to suffering
  3. a living creature (because possessed of a body of flesh) whether man or beast
  4. the flesh, denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to God

King James Word Usage - Total: 151
flesh 147, carnal 2, carnally minded + (5427)&version=kjv 1, fleshly 1




"The things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a man 'unclean.'" (Matthew 15:18-20)
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But the next verse shows it is a continuous act of our will which means the sinful nature is still alive.

If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.
Galatians 5:25 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/gal.5.25.NASB
 
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