WHO CONFIRMED THE COVENANT IN DANIEL 9:27

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simple, huh?
here: you're going to need this, since lots of people want that passage to be about "the Antichrist"



when that verse is seen as Fulfilled in Jesus, the whole DISPY house falls.
good post VRJ.
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26And after the sixty-two weeks [of years] shall the Anointed One be cut off or killed and shall have nothing [and no one] belonging to [and defending] Him. And the people of the [other] prince who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<(antichrist). Its end shall come with a flood; and even to the end there shall be war, and desolations are decreed.
 
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26And after the sixty-two weeks [of years] shall the Anointed One be cut off or killed and shall have nothing [and no one] belonging to [and defending] Him. And the people of the [other] prince who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<(antichrist). Its end shall come with a flood; and even to the end there shall be war, and desolations are decreed.

Hey sis. Antichrist did not destroy city The people of the prince (antichrist) who is to come is said tol destroy the city. That happened in 70AD By Titus and his army
 
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Zone and I have been discussing this in another thread. When I have more than 5 minutes to put something together (which won't happen tonight unless I stay up late) I am gonna open a new thread, go back to the beginning and see if we can discuss this together. It is my opinion that Daniel 9 can not be understood unless we go back to the beginning. So this is what I want to do. Then maybe people will understand my view separate from other peoples views who teach dispensationalism.
 

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26And after the sixty-two weeks [of years] shall the Anointed One be cut off or killed and shall have nothing [and no one] belonging to [and defending] Him. And the people of the [other] prince who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<(antichrist). Its end shall come with a flood; and even to the end there shall be war, and desolations are decreed.
hi Linda.
what about this though:

26And after the sixty-two weeks [of years] shall the Anointed One <<JESUS

be cut off or killed and shall have nothing [and no one] belonging to [and defending] Him. <<JESUS, betrayed, and CRUCIFIED

And the people of the [other] prince <<TITUS who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary << 70AD

Its end shall come with a flood; and even to the end there shall be war, and desolations are decreed.
Matthew 23:38
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.





Luke 19
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, &#8220;If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace&#8212;but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God&#8217;s coming to you.&#8221;
 
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Daniel 9:27; "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured unon the desolate."

Daniel 9:24-27 is probably the most fought over verses in scripture for christians today. Instead, let's just do one. Verse 27.

HERE WE SEE IN SUMMARY OF DANIEL 9:24-27 that verse 27 says:

(1) finish the transgression

(2) and to make an end of sins,

(3) and to make reconciliation for iniquity,

(4) and to bring in everlasting righteousness,

(5) and to seal up the vision and prophey,

(6) and to anoint the most holy.

Who finishes the transgression, makes an end to sins, makes reconciliation for iniquity, brings in everlasting righteousness, seals up and anoints the most holy? Jesus Christ.

The transgression started when Eve picked the apple.
"and he shall confirm the covenant," Galatians 3:17; "And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect."

The term covenant is not the same word as treaty.
We separate the Bible into the Old Testament and the New Testament, and the "testament" is interchangeable with the term covenant.
Hebrews 9:15; "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."
A treaty is a political instrument that is used between nations and is not a sacred agreement between God and man.
In the Old Testament, God made an agreement with man that if the people will adhere to His "covenant," He would protect and keep them and be their God. This is articulated in Exodus with the children of Israel where God says, "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people.," (Exodus 19:5) In the very passage in question in Daniel, which is prophetic on its face, God further promises that He will bring the Messiah who will confirm the covenant that He has already made.
Although it is a new covenant in that it brings out certain characteristics that were somewhat veiled in the Old Testament, becuase it is a covenant with Israel, it is actually a renewal of the covenant that God made through Moses. Thus in Jeremiah, God says, "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel." (Jeremiah 31:31)
Therefore, about fifty years after God promised to Jeremiah that He would remember Israel with another covenant that will build upon the existing covenant, He tell Daniel that "the Messiah the Prince...shall confirm the covenant with many.." (Daniel 9:25,27)
Paul stated: "And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after (Galatians 3:17) Through this confirmation, we learn that Christ is the heir of all the promises. He is the Seed of Abraham upon whom the blessings are bestowed, and He is the only one who "brings in everlasting righteousness. (Daniel 9:2).

Israel did not recognize the time of their visitation from God that brought the nation of Israel to the overspreading of abominations that were the natural outgrowth of their refusal to recognize Jesus as their promised Messiah.
Dear friends, See Daniel 9:24-27 see OSB (Orthodox Study Bible), page 1256: This is fulfilled in 70 AD with the destruction of the 2nd Jewish temple in Jerusalem by the Romans. Christ confirms the covenant (9:27).
See Daniel's Prophecy of the 70 Weeks by Thomas Williamson
Daniel's Prophecy of the 70 Weeks

God bless you.

In Erie PA USA July 6, 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington

 
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The who is easy

1. He shall commit the Abomination of Desolation.
2. He is spoken of by Christ;

15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
The Coming of the Son of Man


29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

We see the timeline.

1. The Abomination of desolation commited in the Temple by the one who makes desolate.

2. Immediately following, The great tribulation.

3. Immediately following, The return of Christ to Earth.

So who is the one who confirms a covenant? But the one who defiles the temple. Which has not happened yet (After Christ)

Immediately folloing this, there will be great tribulation, spoken of by John in revelation.

immediately following this, the return of Christ to the earth, again spoken of in Revelation.

Who is NOT the one who confirms a covenant? Christ.
Thank you eternally grateful for reminding me of this passage :) I had TOTALLY forgotten it and yet its so relevant and chucks out the augustinian view of amil and postmil but yet doesnt back up or support dispensationalism, i too, like you have a different view. I am a classic premi futuristl but also a covenantalist
 

Scotth1960

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Your right. It is an answer to Daniels prayer. He was praying for his people. and God to keep his covenant and show mercy even though Israel was still in unbelief. He was praying for the city to return to its Glory and its people to return to theres.

This has never happened. Even when the temple was rebuilt. It was not in Glory. And its people were still in unbelief.

Dan 9 is gabriels answer of when the temple, and Daniles people will be returned to Glory. Again, This has not happened yet.

So it can't be fulfilled.
It can be fulfilled and it is. It's a sin against the one sacrifice of Jesus Christ upon the Cross for the unbelieving Jews to want to build a third Jewish temple in Jerusalem and offer animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of human sins. That is heresy. Hebrews, the book of Hebrews, says the blood of Jesus only is what can save our souls from our sins; the blood of animals has never taken away and sins, and never will take away any of our sins. The sacrifices in the OT system of Jewish animal sacrifices was a tutoring system of the Mosaic Law to teach the world about the coming sacrifice of the Lamb of God Who taketh away the sins of the world, Jesus Christ the Messiah of Israel. Only Jesus shed blood on the Cross cleanses and saves from all sins.
Daniel 9 is fulfilled prophecy. It is vanity to preach a pre-tribulation rapture of the Christian Church and the necessity of further Jewish sacrifices in a restored OT temple in Jerusalem.
 
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Hey sis. Antichrist did not destroy city The people of the prince (antichrist) who is to come is said tol destroy the city. That happened in 70AD By Titus and his army
Hi
who do you think is coming to the temple to pretend he is God?
 

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It can be fulfilled and it is. It's a sin against the one sacrifice of Jesus Christ upon the Cross for the unbelieving Jews to want to build a third Jewish temple in Jerusalem and offer animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of human sins. That is heresy. Hebrews, the book of Hebrews, says the blood of Jesus only is what can save our souls from our sins; the blood of animals has never taken away and sins, and never will take away any of our sins. The sacrifices in the OT system of Jewish animal sacrifices was a tutoring system of the Mosaic Law to teach the world about the coming sacrifice of the Lamb of God Who taketh away the sins of the world, Jesus Christ the Messiah of Israel. Only Jesus shed blood on the Cross cleanses and saves from all sins.
Daniel 9 is fulfilled prophecy. It is vanity to preach a pre-tribulation rapture of the Christian Church and the necessity of further Jewish sacrifices in a restored OT temple in Jerusalem.
two agree....completely.
 

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Daniel 9:25 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Mark 1:15 14Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,15And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


Daniel 9:26 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Romans 5:8 8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.



Daniel 9:27 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

John 19:30 30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


Luke 23:44-45 44And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. 45And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
 
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Hi
who do you think is coming to the temple to pretend he is God?
That talks about the temple destroyed in 70 AD. Not the future temple sis. The antichrist does not destroy it. He commits abomination. In other words, probably like antiochus epiphanies. He goes into the holy of holies and slaughters a pig. which according to law would be an abomination which would desicrate the temple.