Who is GOD.......?

[MahogonySnail]

I CANNOT ANSWER FOR THEM AND NEITHER CAN YOU

Maybe it's because they were right about the Trinity and you aren't. If the Trinity was such a wrong pagan and occult doctrine as you claim it is, don't you think they would have rejected it when they rejected purgatory and other Roman Catholic doctrines?

Don't you think it's strange that all the reformers that we know of, believed in the Trinity? Even those translators who were smart enough to translate the KJV into english from the original manuscripts. At the very least, it proves that a non-Trinitarian viewpoint is unclear and very hard to establish from scriptures alone.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

AMAZING

THE ONES CLAIMING ONENESS WERE EXCOMMUNICATED

WHO HAD THE POWER TO PERFORM THIS EXCOMMUNICATION...?

THE PAGAN HIMSELF..........CONSTANTINE
WHO WAS ALSO MURDERER OF HIS WIFE AND SON
AND ANYONE WHO OPPOSED HIS RELIGEOUS VIEWS
SUCH AS HIS OWN BROTHER -N - LAW

KIND OF LIKE NOW
I AM ONENESS AND YOU ARE DOING YOUR BEST TO EXCOMMUNICATE ME

They were excommunicated for denying the diety of Christ, a belief that we share. I have no intention of excommunicating you.
I apologize for the lie comment. I believe that you are mistaken. There was no excuse for my smart remark.

 

[joint-heir]

JOHN BAPTIZED 2 WAYS

1. KNEEL IN THE RIVER AND THEN WHILE BASICALLY BEING 2/3 IN THE WATER ALREADY
HE WOULD CUP WATER AND PUT IT OVER YOUR HEAD

2. HE ALSO HAD A POOL THEY SAY WAS ABOUT 5 FOOT DEEP
WHO IS TO SAY THEY DID NOT EMERSE COMPLETELY IN THE POOL THEN...?


I BELIEVE IN FULL BODY
IF YOUR GOING TO DO IT
DON'T JUST GET WET
GET DRENCHED

 

[charisenexcelcis]

IF THEY DID NOT AGREE WITH THOSE POINTS
THEN
IN THE NICENE CREED
IT SHOULD -------NOT------- LIST
ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AS THE ONE TRUE CHURCH THEN
BECAUSE
THIS IS THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
AND THEIR DOCTRINAL PRACTICES
THEY VOTED TO ACCEPT THESE NEW IDEAS
AND BY LISTING THE CHURCH IN THE NICENE ARTICLES
THEY OBVIOUSLY AGREED WITH IT


UNDERSTAND..........?

The Nicene creed is using the word catholic meaning universal. In other words, even though we go to different buildings, there is only one church. It was not an endorsement of all the other doctrines peculiar to the Roman church.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

JOHN BAPTIZED 2 WAYS

1. KNEEL IN THE RIVER AND THEN WHILE BASICALLY BEING 2/3 IN THE WATER ALREADY
HE WOULD CUP WATER AND PUT IT OVER YOUR HEAD

2. HE ALSO HAD A POOL THEY SAY WAS ABOUT 5 FOOT DEEP
WHO IS TO SAY THEY DID NOT EMERSE COMPLETELY IN THE POOL THEN...?


I BELIEVE IN FULL BODY
IF YOUR GOING TO DO IT
DON'T JUST GET WET
GET DRENCHED

The word baptize itself would indicate immersion.

 

[joint-heir]

Maybe it's because they were right about the Trinity and you aren't. If the Trinity was such a wrong pagan and occult doctrine as you claim it is, don't you think they would have rejected it when they rejected purgatory and other Roman Catholic doctrines?

Don't you think it's strange that all the reformers that we know of, believed in the Trinity? Even those translators who were smart enough to translate the KJV into english from the original manuscripts. At the very least, it proves that a non-Trinitarian viewpoint is unclear and very hard to establish from scriptures alone.

I THINK AS THEM WHO LIVED MANY YEARS IN ONE WAY
THEY WERE LUCKY ENOUGH
TO FINALLY
UNDERSTAND
THAT SEX WITH BOYS
AND PRIEST STEALING MONEY
AND THE CHURCH HAD MORE POWER THEN THE KINGS
CONFESSING SINS TO MAN
MARY WAS MORE POWERFUL THAN JESUS
PRAYING TO SAINTS INSTEAD OF GOD
LUTHER AND THEM FINALLY UNDERSTOOD THIS WAS WRONG

THE ISSUE WITH TRINITY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM VIEWING
HOMOSEXUALITY AND CHILD MOLESTING AND THEIVERY
AS SOMETHING THE CHURCH SHOULD NOT BE .......ACCEPTING

 

[joint-heir]

The Nicene creed is using the word catholic meaning universal. In other words, even though we go to different buildings, there is only one church. It was not an endorsement of all the other doctrines peculiar to the Roman church.

AND YET THEY WERE ALL PRACTICING CATHOLICS
WHO WERE NOT EXCOMMUNICATED
AND ALLOWED TO REMAIN TO VOTE

THIS TO ME IS STRANGE

ALMOST A DICTATORSHIP

 

[charisenexcelcis]

AND YET THEY WERE ALL PRACTICING CATHOLICS
WHO WERE NOT EXCOMMUNICATED
AND ALLOWED TO REMAIN TO VOTE

THIS TO ME IS STRANGE

ALMOST A DICTATORSHIP

I'm afraid that we both would have been excommunicated one way or another back them. As for them being Catholics, more of them would be considered Orthodox at that time.

 

[HumbleSaint]

The word baptize itself would indicate immersion.

Baptize does mean to submerge but I believe that when a person believes on Jesus Christ, He is automaticly submerged( baptized) into the Body of Christ. I believe that the actual water baptizim does not save you but is mearly a symbol of being submerged into the body of Christ. If Water bapitism is a requirement that you have to wander how the theif of the Cross could be saved.

 

[joint-heir]

I'm afraid that we both would have been excommunicated one way or another back them. As for them being Catholics, more of them would be considered Orthodox at that time.

SEE IT AS YOU MAY
BUT
ONLY ONE CHURCH FROM THAT TIME PERIOD UNTIL NOW
ONLY VIEWS AND ACCEPTS THE CONCEPT AS
PETER BEING THE FIRST POPE
AND THEY ALL BELIEVED THIS AND TAUGHT IT
AN THAT CHURCH WAS AND STILL IS
CATHOLICS
BY WHICH
WAS MENTIONED IN THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE NICENE CREED

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Baptize does mean to submerge but I believe that when a person believes on Jesus Christ, He is automaticly submerged( baptized) into the Body of Christ. I believe that the actual water baptizim does not save you but is mearly a symbol of being submerged into the body of Christ. If Water bapitism is a requirement that you have to wander how the theif of the Cross could be saved.

Bapto-to dip, baptidzo to immerse or wash.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

SEE IT AS YOU MAY
BUT
ONLY ONE CHURCH FROM THAT TIME PERIOD UNTIL NOW
ONLY VIEWS AND ACCEPTS THE CONCEPT AS
PETER BEING THE FIRST POPE
AND THEY ALL BELIEVED THIS AND TAUGHT IT
AN THAT CHURCH WAS AND STILL IS
CATHOLICS
BY WHICH
WAS MENTIONED IN THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE NICENE CREED

The Nicene creed say catholic, not Roman Catholic. Catholic meaning that we are spiritually one church, one body....and the Orthodox Church is just as old as the Roman Catholic.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Pouring, was an acceptable method of being baptised..and I think pre-dates full-body immersion actually. Jesus would have knelt or stood in the water while water was being poured over him from the head down. You don't have to go entirely under water and have a swim to get fully wet.

 

[MahogonySnail]

I THINK AS THEM WHO LIVED MANY YEARS IN ONE WAY
THEY WERE LUCKY ENOUGH
TO FINALLY
UNDERSTAND
THAT SEX WITH BOYS
AND PRIEST STEALING MONEY
AND THE CHURCH HAD MORE POWER THEN THE KINGS
CONFESSING SINS TO MAN
MARY WAS MORE POWERFUL THAN JESUS
PRAYING TO SAINTS INSTEAD OF GOD
LUTHER AND THEM FINALLY UNDERSTOOD THIS WAS WRONG

THE ISSUE WITH TRINITY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM VIEWING
HOMOSEXUALITY AND CHILD MOLESTING AND THEIVERY
AS SOMETHING THE CHURCH SHOULD NOT BE .......ACCEPTING

I think it's strange that you accept the changes the reformers made... except for the Trinity. Either they were wrong , or you are wrong. What's your chances of being right 1 false doctrine they forgot to change, out of say, 6? So you're telling us, that the reformers, who were led by God to go against the corrupt Catholic church system and enforce salvation by grace through faith and doctrine established by the Word of God alone, were so short-sighted or stupid that they forgot to say that the Trinity was false? OR, the more likely scenario in my mind, is that they were correct..there was and is nothing wrong with the Trinity. You did call the Trinity pagan and occult in your threads..rather strong words to use... I thought perhaps you wouldn'tt agree with the teachings of pagan and occult Trinitarian reformers?

 

[MahogonySnail]

Jesus would have knelt or stood in the water while water was being poured over him from the head down.

oops I meant the ethiopian official, not Jesus.

 

[joint-heir]

I think it's strange that you accept the changes the reformers made... except for the Trinity. Either they were wrong , or you are wrong. What's your chances of being right 1 false doctrine they forgot to change, out of say, 6? So you're telling us, that the reformers, who were led by God to go against the corrupt Catholic church system and enforce salvation by grace through faith and doctrine established by the Word of God alone, were so short-sighted or stupid that they forgot to say that the Trinity was false? OR, the more likely scenario in my mind, is that they were correct..there was and is nothing wrong with the Trinity. You did call the Trinity pagan and occult in your threads..rather strong words to use... I thought perhaps you wouldn'tt agree with the teachings of pagan and occult Trinitarian reformers?

SEE THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE CLEARLY MISTAKENED

I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE ONENESS..........BECAUSE

BECAUSE I OPPOSE THE NICENE CREED
BECAUSE I AGREE WITH SOMEONES CONCEPTS
BECAUSE I FIND THIS DOCTRINE BETTER THAN THESE
BECAUSE MY WAY IS BETTER THAN YOURS

FOR IN FACT
ASIDE FROM TRINITY
I BELIEVE IN MANY ASPECTS OF DOCTRINE THEY PREECH ABOUT
EVEN IN THE ONENESS
I DO NOT AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY BELIEVE TO BE DOCTRINE

HOW I BELIEVE IS UNIQUE
I PRAY TO GOD
GOD ANSWERS AND REVEALS UNTO ME
THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE
I DO NOT NEED SOME MAN TELLING WHO GOD IS OR HOW TO LIVE FOR GOD
BECAUSE
I HAVE A PERSONAL ONE ON ONE RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD
AND HE TELLS ME HOW TO LIVE

IF YOU FOLLOW EVERYTHING YOUR PASTOR TELLS YOU
RATHER THAN WHAT GOD SAYS
THEN YOU ARE BLIND AND FOOLISH

 

[MahogonySnail]

But you expect us to follow everything you are telling us? As a pastor, how do you balance between instructing or teaching your flock, and telling them not to follow what you say in case it's wrong?

 

[pickles]

Ive been reading corr. reciently, again. Mostly because of all the debate over the law.
What I understand and what I believe in Jesus is that we no longer live under the law but by grace. That does not mean ignore the law but that we no longer need the law.
As Paul said I am dead to the Law.
One can and should be able to walk in grace, thus free from condemnation.
If one cannot walk without the law because their own condemnation should cause them to stumble then one must live in the law.
But if you are able to walk in grace, free of the law by that where you do not stumble because of condemnation, but of good contience in Jesus.
I guess simply said is if you do not condem yourself, because self condemnation keeps you from walking fully in Jesus, not sin.
Paul did warn of overconfidence, but we are free of the law because of grace. Thus because of love being the greatest comandment we can walk free of the law.
There is only one judgement and that is of Our lord God. Thats where the fear of the lord comes in.
I know many ether debate or are not sure of this. But the more I read the more is revieled through the Holy Spirit on this.
It seems to me that the main thing that tries to separate us from God is the accusser. Eather judgement by satan or ourselves.
That this is often what gets in the way.
Look at Adam and Eve, the sin was to eat of the fruit of knowladge of good and evil. Their eyes were open and they saw their shame thus they covered themselves. They judged themselves.
Jesus came to save the world not to judge it.
It seems to me that our true enemy in the world is judgement, that is what had and we still allow to separate us from God.
Judgement is mine says the Lord.This is the only judgement we are under, and again Jesus took all of our sins for us.
Scripture says we should be like children to sin. That not only means innocent of sin but innocent to sin.
Keeping our eyes of Jesus so that we do not condem ourselves or others.
If we live by the greatest comandment we will then meet all that is asked.
God bless, pickles

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Baptize does mean to submerge but I believe that when a person believes on Jesus Christ, He is automaticly submerged( baptized) into the Body of Christ. I believe that the actual water baptizim does not save you but is mearly a symbol of being submerged into the body of Christ. If Water bapitism is a requirement that you have to wander how the theif of the Cross could be saved.

I'm sorry, I misunderstood your point. I agree with you.

 

[joint-heir]

But you expect us to follow everything you are telling us? As a pastor, how do you balance between instructing or teaching your flock, and telling them not to follow what you say in case it's wrong?

I GIVE SCRIPTURE REFERENCE BEFORE I PREECH

I ALSO TELL THEM
TO GO HOME READ FOR YOURSELVES AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ASK
YOU WILL NOT AGREE EVER WITH ME 100% I TELL THEM

WHAT I DO EMPHASIZE
WE MUST FIND A COMMON GROUND
BY WHICH WE AS BELIEVER CAN COME TOGETHER
AND WORSHIP GOD TOGETHER
IF
YOU CANNOT WORSHIP SIDE BY SIDE
WITH THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU OR YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM
2 THINGS WILL NEVER HAPPEN

1. WE WILL NEVER BE IN ONE ACCORD

2. IF YOU CANNOT WORSHIP TOGETHER ON EARTH
YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO WORSHIP TOGETHER IN HEAVEN

UNTIL YOU GET PAST WHAT THEIR DOCTRINE IS
AND SEE THEM AS BROTHERS / STSTERS AND BELIEVERS IN CHRIST
THEN GOD
WILL NEVER SEE YOU AS CHILDREN OF HIM

BY THE WAY I INHERITED A SMALL CHURCH WHEN WE FIRST STARTED
WE ARE ABOUT 700 NOW
AND NOT EVERYONE EXCEPTS ALL THAT I SAY OR PREECH
BUT WHAT THEY DO RESPECT AND LOVE
I SEE THEM AS EQUALS AND JOINT-HEIRS OF GOD
BECAUSE THEY ARE..........