Who is GOD.......?
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THERE IS A CLEAR DEFINITION BETWEEN DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES
AND
OCCULTIC PRACTICES
WHAT DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES I AM REFERING TO IS
ONE CLAIMS
FATHER - WORD - HOLY GHOST TO BE
3 GODS AS SEPARATE BEINGS
OTHERS
VIEW IT AS
ONE GOD WITH TITLES
JEUS IS
BROTHER OF SATAN TO MORMONS
AND
ARCH ANGEL MICHAEL TO JW'S
THIS IS OCCULTIC
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M
Couldn't agree with more on this one, Snail. I believe in the Oneness of God and yet also the Holy Trinity. Now not everyone has the same definition of Trinity, so those that lump everyone in the same boat is done in ignorance. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, three that are one=Trinity. One God.
S
Concerning your signature. You speak of the Bereans in Berea who Paul preached to. There is a common misunderstanding about the Bereans searching the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. They were Jewish unbelievers and many others were Greek women and men. Paul preached to them the word of God concerning Christ. They went to the scriptures to make sure they understood what Paul was teaching and many of them believed. They did this daily to make sure they had the right understanding and the more they checked it out the more of them believed. They were not checking to see if Paul was preaching the truth because that would indicate they had the truth. If they had the truth why did they not believe until after Paul preached? Paul was sent to preach the word that they had not heard and they received it with a ready mind. God had prepared them to receive the word and become believers in Christ. As soon as some of the Jews in Thessalonica heard about Paul preaching the word and their conversions, they went over to stir up the people against what they heard. Paul was sent away but Silas and Timothy stayed with the people. I don't know what you think but that is what happened.
M
Paul fled in the night from Thessalonica to Berea (Acts 17:10) and taught in the synagogue there (during the Second Mission Journey). In the synagogue he found people who were eager to receive the Gospel and compare it with the Old Testament Scriptures. The Berean search of the Scriptures daily became an example to early Christians, and the name was carried to later churches everywhere. Luke notes that many believed, and includes that "honorable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few" (Acts 17:12) came to Jesus, didn't anything about jews coming to Jesus. Get your story straight.
FROM MIKTRE
I would beware, those who come in here saying that His children that believe in The Father , the Son, and the Holy Spirit and call it a Trinity are pagan worshipping. Beware and you better treat this very subject with a little more respect, that's all I'll say.
FROM JOINT-HEIR
ONENESS IS ABOUT THE PRESENCE OF ONE ALMIGHTY GOD ALONE SECOND TO NONE.
IT IS WITHIN THIS ONE GOD
WE HAVE CLEAR AND DISTINCT EVIDENCE OF SPECIFIC ROLES
BUT THE ROLE ..........OF ..........THE FATHER - WORD - HOLY GHOST
IS NO DIFFERENT
THAN THE ROLE OF
OMNIPOTENT - OMNIPRESENCE - OMNISCIENT - GRACE - LOVE - PEACE -
MIGHTY GOD - EVERLASTING FATHER - PRINCE OF PEACE - KING OF KINGS -
LORD OF LORDS - COUNSELOUR - WONDERFUL - MESSIAH - IMMANUEL -
EMMANUEL - JEHOVA - ELOIHIM - ALPHA AND OMEGA - THE GREAT I AM -
I AM THAT I AM - FIRST AND LAST - BEGINNING AND THE END - FRIEND -
LILLY OF THE VALLEY - ROSE OF SHARON - THE LAMB - SACRIFICE - MERCY -
CREATOR - HIGH PRIEST - MEDIATOR - AUTHOR AND FINISHER - GODHEAD -
GOOD - RIGHTEOUSNESS - VICTORY - POWER - JESUS CHRIST
EACH AND EVERY NAME I LISTED INCLUDING .......FATHER - WORD - HOLY GHOST
ARE NAMES AND ROLES
THAT DESCRIBE THE ONE AND ALMIGHTY GOD
ONENESS IS NOT A CLAIM THAT NONE OF THESE EXIST
ONENESS IS A CLAIM THAT THEY ONLY EXIST IN ONE PERSON OF GOD
AND THIS ONE PERSON WHO IS ALMIGHTY GOD
IS NOT LIMITED AND HAS NO LACK OF CAPABILITIES TO PERFORM
EVERY ROLE THAT CLASSIFIES AND REPRESENTS GOD ALMIGHTY
WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT GOD IS LIMITED
SO THAT IT TAKES 3 SEPARATE PERSONS TO FULFILL THESE ROLES
WE CLEARLY UNDERSTAND
THAT GOD ALONE
CAN DO ANYTHING AND ALL THINGS AS HE SO CHOOSES TO DO THEM
WE UNDERSTAND THAT
EZEKIEL 1:26...
ONE THRONE WITH ONE GOD WHO IN THE LIKENESS OF MAN FULFILLS THIS ROLE
THIS IS WHAT IT IS TO BE ONENESS
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ONENESS AND TRINITY ARE VERY SIMILAR
BOTTOM LINE DIFFERENCE
IS
TRINITY BELIEVES IN 3 EQUAL GODS ACTING AS ONE
AND
ONENESS EQUALS ONE GOD IN MANY MANEFESTATIONS (TITLES ONLY)
BUT
JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE CONCERNING THE BIBLE
WITH ONE MAJOR EXCEPTION
THE ROLE OF GRACE
AND
ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED
ONENESS AND TRINITY VIEWS
ARE BASICALLY AND EQUALLY MIRRORED
Well yes because your oneness churches are only relatively young, since 1918. I also know that oneness churches tend towards salvation by works, such as believing you must be baptised in the right way, to be saved...and speak in tongues. Still, the majority of Trinitarians are not once saved always saved.
No, it is three separate and equal persons of God. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit..each individually are not referred to as a god as if there were 3, but as a person.
No, it is three separate and equal persons of God. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit..each individually are not referred to as a god as if there were 3, but as a person.
S
You believe that if it were possible to destroy the Father, then the Son and the Spirit would be destroyed as well. But you also believe if the Son was destroyed, the Father and the Spirit would remain and be exercise as one God. And you also believe that if the Holy Spirit could be destroyed, the Father and the Son would have a work to do without the Spirit. Lastly, you believe that the Father is efficient in and of Himself and could operate without the Son and the Spirit. Isn't that the oneness doctrine that you believe? Oneness meaning that one is not dependent upon the other but the Father is All Mighty and without the Father their would be no Son and no Spirit? This would make only the Father uncreated life and the Son and Spirit created manifestations of the Father. Is that what you believe by making claim that the Trinity or Godhead is three Gods acting as one?
We both agree there is one God, and we both agree there are three manifestations (what we call persons).
We both agree that the three can manifest at the same time, I think? Although strictly speaking, modalism and similar variants of oneness declare that only one is manifest at the one time. I notice that you explain the three existing at the same time, by substituting the references to father and son with spirit and flesh.
We both agree that the three can manifest at the same time, I think? Although strictly speaking, modalism and similar variants of oneness declare that only one is manifest at the one time. I notice that you explain the three existing at the same time, by substituting the references to father and son with spirit and flesh.
THAT IS YOUR LIMITATION
YOU SEE THAT JESUS WAS DESTROYED
THE BODY OF FLESH WAS SACRIFICED FOR ALL SINS OF MAN
BUT IN ALL REALITY
HIS SPIRIT IN HIM WHICH IS GOD WHO SPOKE HIM INTO EXISTENCE
AKA : THE WORD
NEVER DIED
SO WHEN I FACE THIS ISSUE
AND I HEAR THIS SAME COMMENT OVER AND OVER
IT IS REVEALED MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER SUBJECT
YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHO GOD IS
BECAUSE
IN YOUR MIND HE DIED
BUT IN THE ACTUALITY OF ALL THINGS
HE LIVED SO WE MIGHT HAVE LIFE AND HAVE IT MORE ABUNDANTLY
STOP LIMITING GOD
AND TRY DOING HIS WILL FOR ONCE
RATHER
THAN TEARING HIM DOWN
TO YOUR EYE LEVEL
SO YOU THINK YOU CAN UNDERSTAND HIM