Who Is This Jesus?

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p_rehbein

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To know who Jesus is, turn to the 1st Chapter of Colossians:

13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 )And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19) For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20) And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they bethings in earth, or things in heaven. 21) And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22) In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

and to the 1st Chapter of the Gospel of John:

John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2) The same was in the beginning with God. 3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


Jesus IS! There has never been, nor will be a time when Jesus wasn't/isn't!

JESUS IS GOD! God the Son.

 

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To know who Jesus is, turn to the 1st Chapter of Colossians:

13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 )And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19) For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20) And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they bethings in earth, or things in heaven. 21) And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22) In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

and to the 1st Chapter of the Gospel of John:

John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2) The same was in the beginning with God. 3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


Jesus IS! There has never been, nor will be a time when Jesus wasn't/isn't!

JESUS IS GOD! God the Son.
All very true. However, there is time before Jesus was the sacrifice for the world’s sins. There is a time after Jesus was the sacrifice for the worlds sins.
The entire Bible and the world is hinged on that moment.
 

Noose

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Beautiful presentation but the phrase "God the son" is questionable; Jesus is God, Just God.
 

oldethennew

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there is no question here for the both of us, for the scriptures plainly
refer to Jesus Christ as 'The Son of God and The Son of man'...
 

Hungry

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To better understand Jesus, one should research Logos, since that is where we derive Word. Logos is better defined as order or logic. A word is a representation of thought. When we read a book, we are reading somebody’s thoughts. Even the word, God (theos) doesn’t mean God the Father, it just means devine being (a god). Those who think every time they see the word elohim or theos it means Almighty Creator, will never understand the Bible.
 

garee

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All very true. However, there is time before Jesus was the sacrifice for the world’s sins. There is a time after Jesus was the sacrifice for the worlds sins.
The entire Bible and the world is hinged on that moment.
God is supernatural without beginning as a nature. When we try and give Him a nature He ceases to be God. He refused to be worshipped as God after or according the rudiments of this world (the things seen the temporal)

We should be careful how we hear what the Spirit says to the churches and remember the God is not a man as us and neither is there a fleshly mediator that stands between God and man called a daysman.

The Son of man Jesus of His own flesh as that seen replied; it profits for nothing .But rather that it is the unseen Holy Spirit that does quicken our soul giving us new spirit life that will be raised on the last day and in that twinkling of the eye we will receive the goal of our faith... a new incorruptible body. All die not receiving it

The Son of God typified as Melchisedec as eternal God remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof. He abides our high priest continually. We are considered his kingdom of priest typified as Levites

The Son of God as a outward demonstration of the unseen spiritual work put on the temporal flesh of mankind to represent the lamb of God who was slain even before the foundation of the world as the actual work resting on the seventh from any other work needed.

In that way he is shown as our Savior not so much at His birth in respect to his flesh which again he declared does not profit but from the resurrection of the one time promised demonstration, not according as the Son of man who died but the unseen, the Son of God, a living work of suffering. God cannot die.

Romans 1:4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Just as Christians (the bride of Christ) as new creatures we are not to reckon one another after the things seen, as in no more male and female Jew nor Gentile. We do not wrestles against flesh and blood as rudiments of this world .The same applies the temporal as that seen the Son of man.

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new2 Corinthians 5:16

The one time temporal demonstration of the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world is over, the veil is rent . No more demonstrations

1 John 4 :2-3 aids this understanding that we walk by faith and not by sight. Again as if we did wrestle against flesh and blood (the temporal). We acknowledge he will not come again the flesh. Those who look for another appearing in the flesh which again he informs us did not profits as the spiritual unseen work they are reckoned as the antichrists, who were already there rejecting the one time demonstration hoping for another. we acknowledge he has come by not looking for another .Looking for another outward demonstrations confirms they have neither the Father or the Son

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.1 John 4 :2-3
 

Latour

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What about the balance of...Jesus is BOTH God and man...fully God and fully man?

Why the desire for half-truths?

Most people have trouble with the humanity of Jesus not His divinity. That would seem to excuse them from actually having to follow Jesus...since they put His walk out of reach of the common man. The reasoning is....well He's God...so I CAN'T be like Him. Which of course is a lie.

So the purpose of this thread is what?
 

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To know who Jesus is, turn to the 1st Chapter of Colossians:

13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 )And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19) For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20) And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they bethings in earth, or things in heaven. 21) And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22) In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

and to the 1st Chapter of the Gospel of John:

John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2) The same was in the beginning with God. 3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


Jesus IS! There has never been, nor will be a time when Jesus wasn't/isn't!

JESUS IS GOD! God the Son.
Jesus is the son of God nowhere is the bible does it say god the son nowhere. He is the IMAGE of the one and true living God. And God the father dwells in Him. First born of every creature HMMMM was not the image Gods first creation.

ASV) for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

a closer translation says In Him and Through Him. God the father created all things through the image of Christ
 

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Jesus is the son of God nowhere is the bible does it say god the son nowhere. He is the IMAGE of the one and true living God. And God the father dwells in Him. First born of every creature HMMMM was not the image Gods first creation.

ASV) for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

a closer translation says In Him and Through Him. God the father created all things through the image of Christ
Let me ask you if you agree with the following: To say the Father is God, is equal to saying "God the Father." In like manner to say, "the Son is God," is equal to saying "God the Son." Obviously you have no idea why Jesus Christ referred to Himself on numerous times as "the Son of Man" and as "the Son of God," why?

Secondly, yesterday I posted the following thread proving the doctrine of the Trinity is not only Biblcal but that Jesus Christ is "God the Son." Let's see you refute it dem. https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/proving-the-trinity-is-a-biblical-doctrine.178436/ :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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What about the balance of...Jesus is BOTH God and man...fully God and fully man?

Why the desire for half-truths?

Most people have trouble with the humanity of Jesus not His divinity. That would seem to excuse them from actually having to follow Jesus...since they put His walk out of reach of the common man. The reasoning is....well He's God...so I CAN'T be like Him. Which of course is a lie.

So the purpose of this thread is what?
To ask ourselves are we going to believe what God says or our own carnal thinking? Believe my experience or the Word of God?
The purpose of God is to walk and live in the Spirit, giving ourselves to be lead of the Spirit.
 

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Let me ask you if you agree with the following: To say the Father is God, is equal to saying "God the Father." In like manner to say, "the Son is God," is equal to saying "God the Son." Obviously you have no idea why Jesus Christ referred to Himself on numerous times as "the Son of Man" and as "the Son of God," why?

Secondly, yesterday I posted the following thread proving the doctrine of the Trinity is not only Biblcal but that Jesus Christ is "God the Son." Let's see you refute it dem. https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/proving-the-trinity-is-a-biblical-doctrine.178436/:eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
It does say God the Father in the bible but it never says the image was God in says the God the father dwell in the image the image is not God there for God the son is a lie from the trinity doctrine. If God wanted us to use the term God the son you would find the term in the bible but nowhere in the bible is the term used. Jesus is the Son Of God not God the son. you can show me a hundred it say this says and that say so it means this but that is all hog wash if the bible does not say it.
 

p_rehbein

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It does say God the Father in the bible but it never says the image was God in says the God the father dwell in the image the image is not God there for God the son is a lie from the trinity doctrine. If God wanted us to use the term God the son you would find the term in the bible but nowhere in the bible is the term used. Jesus is the Son Of God not God the son. you can show me a hundred it say this says and that say so it means this but that is all hog wash if the bible does not say it.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say the Apostles were water baptized......thus they were not. Rendering water baptism moot. (by your standard)

The entire Gospel of John establishes the TRUTH of the Holy Trinity if read by a Spiritual Believer. Carnal believers may struggle to understand, but those who have matured spiritually in the Word will see the truth.

As for God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, they are (as I have said often) God of man, God as man, God within man. All are God............3 in 1 in perfect harmony.

It is called the Christian Faith for a reason.........for faith is what our beliefs are based on. Our faith in Him, who He says He is, and faith in the Truth of Scripture.
 

p_rehbein

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Someone asked about the reason/purpose for this Thread.

I thought that would be evident. To praise Him!
 

Hungry

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Nowhere in the Bible does it say the Apostles were water baptized......thus they were not. Rendering water baptism moot. (by your standard)

The entire Gospel of John establishes the TRUTH of the Holy Trinity if read by a Spiritual Believer. Carnal believers may struggle to understand, but those who have matured spiritually in the Word will see the truth.

As for God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, they are (as I have said often) God of man, God as man, God within man. All are God............3 in 1 in perfect harmony.

It is called the Christian Faith for a reason.........for faith is what our beliefs are based on. Our faith in Him, who He says He is, and faith in the Truth of Scripture.
Are you saying Christ is the Father?
 
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It does say God the Father in the bible but it never says the image was God in says the God the father dwell in the image the image is not God there for God the son is a lie from the trinity doctrine. If God wanted us to use the term God the son you would find the term in the bible but nowhere in the bible is the term used. Jesus is the Son Of God not God the son. you can show me a hundred it say this says and that say so it means this but that is all hog wash if the bible does not say it.
John 20:28-29
Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!”
29Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
 

Dem

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John 20:28-29
Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!”
29Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
How about that Lord referring to the Christ and God referring to the the father dwelling in the Christ. geez that was not hard.
 

Dem

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Nowhere in the Bible does it say the Apostles were water baptized......thus they were not. Rendering water baptism moot. (by your standard)

The entire Gospel of John establishes the TRUTH of the Holy Trinity if read by a Spiritual Believer. Carnal believers may struggle to understand, but those who have matured spiritually in the Word will see the truth.

As for God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, they are (as I have said often) God of man, God as man, God within man. All are God............3 in 1 in perfect harmony.

It is called the Christian Faith for a reason.........for faith is what our beliefs are based on. Our faith in Him, who He says He is, and faith in the Truth of Scripture.
So now we have a god the holy spirit so there is the almighty spirit ( God the father) and another spirit we call holy spirit do you think that the fathers spirit is holy or do we need another person wow your version sure is confusing it is simple God the father, Son of God and the fathers holy spirit. there is no such thing as the holy trinity now where in the bible does it say that. no where in the bible does it say god the son or god the holy spirit stick with the terms in the bible and you can not go wrong. If God wanted us to use these terms he would of put them in the bible. end of story
 
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How about that Lord referring to the Christ and God referring to the the father dwelling in the Christ. geez that was not hard.
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matthew 1:21-23
And she shall bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name JESUS; for it is he that shall save his people from their sins. 22Now all this is come to pass, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, 23Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us.

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 

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Phil 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Heb 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 ¶ Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

For the cause of Christ
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John
05:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
05:32 There is another that bears witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesses of me is true.
05:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.

21:24 This is the disciple which testifies of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

Luke
01:01 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
01:02 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
01:03 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
01:04 That thou might know the certainty of those things, wherein thou has been instructed.

Matthew
01:01 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
01:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

01:02 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
01:03 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
01:04 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
01:05 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
01:06 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the King begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;

01:07 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
01:08 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
01:09 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
01:10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
01:11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

01:12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
01:13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
01:14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
01:15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
01:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.