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KelbyofGod

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In reading the entirety of the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John...and perhaps even the entirety of the Old Testament.... How many here would have predicted that the outpouring of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2) was going to include speaking in tongues?

(regardless what anyone thinks "speaking with tongues" actually means)
 

Lanolin

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There is a references in the OT, wait will find it for you. Probably a few actually.
 

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Isaiah 28:11 which is referenced in 1 corinthians 14:21
 

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Mark 16:17
 

Hevosmies

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Not many would know.

But you have to keep in mind: The Apostles themselves had no idea what was going on. Peter even tried to prevent Jesus from going to the cross!

They had completely different expectations, they expected an earthly kingdom and a Messiah to set them free from roman rule and to setup and regather Israel as a united Kingdom.
 

KelbyofGod

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There is a references in the OT, wait will find it for you. Probably a few actually.
Thanks for the replies, Lanolin. I know of several mentions in OT and that in Mark...but even after the fact when I consider it as if from the 11 disciples' point of view... I'm fairly sure I would not have thought it to happen the way it did.
 

KelbyofGod

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Not many would know.

But you have to keep in mind: The Apostles themselves had no idea what was going on. Peter even tried to prevent Jesus from going to the cross!

They had completely different expectations, they expected an earthly kingdom and a Messiah to set them free from roman rule and to setup and regather Israel as a united Kingdom.
Hevosmies,
That's what I see about it also. I think they were simply seeking God with an increasing intensity hoping not to miss it, seeing Jesus only told them to tarry until it comes.

Love in Jesus to both of you,
Kelby
 
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Like Paul said, "Yet In the church I would rather speak 5 words of understanding than 10,000 in an unknown tongue."
 

KelbyofGod

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Like Paul said, "Yet In the church I would rather speak 5 words of understanding than 10,000 in an unknown tongue."
Dc,
I'm not sure what point you were trying to make. Mine was that no matter what kind of "speaking in tongues" happened on the day of Pentecost, I didn't see it coming. Did you?

And feel free to clarify the point you were making. I'm not arguing against it. I'm just not understanding what point it is.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 
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Dc,
I'm not sure what point you were trying to make. Mine was that no matter what kind of "speaking in tongues" happened on the day of Pentecost, I didn't see it coming. Did you?

And feel free to clarify the point you were making. I'm not arguing against it. I'm just not understanding what point it is.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
My point was Paul's point.......too many people go to seed on this particular gift which has turned into some emotionalistic non spiritual fleshly show...................and PAUL was clear....He would rather speak 5 words that can be understood in church than 10,000 with no meaning....which is exactly what happens today the majority of the time.....

And...........I am sure not many if any seen it coming.....and for sure it is highly misunderstood and misapplied unto this day......
I am sure there will be push back.....OH well.........
 
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Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven. And when this sound occurred, the crowd came together, and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak in his own language. They were amazed and astonished, saying, "Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans? And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born? Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs-we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God." And they all continued in amazement and great perplexity, saying to one another, "What does this mean?"
Acts 2:5‭-‬12 NASB

I think some folks like to spend more time on the method of speaking, than what was the significance of the event. Speaking of the mighty deeds of God, and we all hear it in our native languages.
Why is this happening?
but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: ' And it shall be in the last days ,' God says, ' that I will pour forth of My spirit on all mankind ; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy , and your young men shall see visions , and your old men shall dream dreams ; Even on my bondslaves, both men and women , I will in those days pour forth of My spirit And they shall prophesy. ' And I will grant wonders in the sky above and signs on the earth below , blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke . ' The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood , before the great and glorious day of the Lord shall come . ' And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved .' "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know- this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death. But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power.
Acts 2:16‭-‬24 NASB

Why do we like to get caught up in ambiguous statements about how rather than what it means? They spoke in other tongues as the spirit gave utterance, rather than what was said? They testified to the mighty deeds of God.
They spoke as the spirit gave utterance, who cares what languages or babblings that was? What matters is what was really happening.
They were speaking of the mighty works of God, and that men of all nation's witnessed by the power of the holy spirit poured out in that day.

You know God opened the mouth of a jackass to speak to Balaam. It wouldn't surprise me to find a church group sitting in pastures waiting for livestock to speak to them. Is it jackasses only or any equine?
The point is the Holy Spirit gave utterance. God opened the mouths and ears.
 

posthuman

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There is a references in the OT, wait will find it for you. Probably a few actually.
Isaiah 28:11 which is referenced in 1 corinthians 14:21

also the 'thunderings' at Mt Sinai

the events at Pentecost have a number of parallels to the giving of the covenant at Sinai, actually
((i didn't find that on my own; it was taught to me))
 

posthuman

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also the 'thunderings' at Mt Sinai
this is the word translated as thunder in exodus 19:16

6963. qol
Strong's Concordance
qol: sound, voice​

Original Word: קוֹל
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: qol
Phonetic Spelling: (kole)
Definition: sound, voice

"voice"

see the connection?
 

KelbyofGod

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My point was Paul's point.......too many people go to seed on this particular gift which has turned into some emotionalistic non spiritual fleshly show...................and PAUL was clear....He would rather speak 5 words that can be understood in church than 10,000 with no meaning....which is exactly what happens today the majority of the time.....

And...........I am sure not many if any seen it coming.....and for sure it is highly misunderstood and misapplied unto this day......
I am sure there will be push back.....OH well.........
DC,
Thanks for the reply and for answering the original question in the second paragraph. Although my understanding about 'tongues' does differ from yours, my first reason for posting this was to highlight that even though we have lots of scripture prior to God moving, it seems that we (as humans) are pretty much clueless as to what God actually means...until we experience it.
In other words, God may tell us about something, but those who think they know what it will be like are almost guaranteed to be mostly wrong. Just like there were many scriptures describing the coming messiah, but when he came, few could even recognize it. and few of those had anything to do with the religious majority of the day.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

KelbyofGod

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And, they (additionally) had to be willing to cast off what their leaders were telling them was "the correct way".
I didn't intend this last part this way, but after writing it, I acknowledge that it does go back to the babbly tongues thing you mentioned, and the way that doesn't appear to line up with what looks correct. And that's before even mentioning the MIS-uses of the babbly tongues. (such as wrongly speaking it to a congregation).

Hoping this last addition doesn't distract from the other point.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

KelbyofGod

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this is the word translated as thunder in exodus 19:16

6963. qol
Strong's Concordance
qol: sound, voice​

Original Word: קוֹל
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: qol
Phonetic Spelling: (kole)
Definition: sound, voice

"voice"

see the connection?
Posthuman,

By 'the connection' are you meaning the idea of "Voice" at Mt. Sinai and "speech/languages" on Pentecost? If so, I can acknowledge that, and hadn't considered it before you mentioned it.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby
 

KelbyofGod

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Why do we like to get caught up in ambiguous statements about how rather than what it means? They spoke in other tongues as the spirit gave utterance, rather than what was said? They testified to the mighty deeds of God.
They spoke as the spirit gave utterance, who cares what languages or babblings that was? What matters is what was really happening.
They were speaking of the mighty works of God, and that men of all nation's witnessed by the power of the holy spirit poured out in that day.

You know God opened the mouth of a jackass to speak to Balaam. It wouldn't surprise me to find a church group sitting in pastures waiting for livestock to speak to them. Is it jackasses only or any equine?
The point is the Holy Spirit gave utterance. God opened the mouths and ears.
Loc,

People talk about it because they're wanting to know what does/doesn't happen when a person receives the Holy Ghost.
A similarly fruitless activity (to that of sitting in a pasture waiting for random donkeys to speak) would be to simply say the same words or even type of words that were spoken on Pentecost and then claim to have received the same thing.

1Co_4:20 "For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power."
Act 1:8 "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: ..."

Love in Jesus,
Kelby