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john832

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Mat 24:15 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),

Mar 13:14 "So when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not" (let the reader understand), "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
 
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it is Satan himself.

Matthew 24:15 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoso readeth, let him understand: )"

It is a reverence to Daniel the prophet: The Savior made the book of Daniel part of the New Testament. Its a reference to Daniel 9:27.

The "abomination" is when Satan stands in Jerusalem, proclaiming that he is God, & the world believes that lie.

The ""desolation"" is a incorrect translation into the English; it should read "desolator": Satan is the desolator that will make the claim that he is Go &, the true Christ.

"Desolation" is a condition, in the Hebrew manuscripts it's taken, "On the wings of the desolator," this is not a condition, but a entity, a person ( Satan ).
It is Satan that causes abomination through his actions ,deceiving the world into believing his is God . It is the desolator [Satan] that shall cause all but the sealed of God, to become desolate, or deceived.
 

john832

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it is Satan himself.

Matthew 24:15 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoso readeth, let him understand: )"

It is a reverence to Daniel the prophet: The Savior made the book of Daniel part of the New Testament. Its a reference to Daniel 9:27.

The "abomination" is when Satan stands in Jerusalem, proclaiming that he is God, & the world believes that lie.

The ""desolation"" is a incorrect translation into the English; it should read "desolator": Satan is the desolator that will make the claim that he is Go &, the true Christ.

"Desolation" is a condition, in the Hebrew manuscripts it's taken, "On the wings of the desolator," this is not a condition, but a entity, a person ( Satan ).
It is Satan that causes abomination through his actions ,deceiving the world into believing his is God . It is the desolator [Satan] that shall cause all but the sealed of God, to become desolate, or deceived.
But Christ directly refers us to Daniel and the AoD that occurred in 168BC.
 

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But Christ directly refers us to Daniel and the AoD that occurred in 168BC.
the Book of Daniel covers abominations committed by all the king(doms) in the Image of Man.
the one Jesus is referring to is the last one - the Romans under Titus.
 
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The_highwayman

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But Christ directly refers us to Daniel and the AoD that occurred in 168BC.
John,
I was getting ready to make this point. As you already know, Antipchus IV Epiphanes, was a greek that sacked Jerusalem in 167/168BC and then raised up a statue of Zeus in The Temple and forbid the Jews to do any of their oblations and forced them to stop ALL of their worship, including sacrifices to God. This lead to the Maccabean revolt and the absolute carnage against the Jewish people. This view is widely held among most orthodox Jewish Rabbi today.

Another view is that Jesus & Daniel were also talking prophetically about when Caligula also attempted to put his own Statue in the Temple in Jerusalem between AD 37-40.

Thanks for posting this, Many in the Body forget about the AoD in 167/168 BC.

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john832

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John,
I was getting ready to make this point. As you already know, Antipchus IV Epiphanes, was a greek that sacked Jerusalem in 167/168BC and then raised up a statue of Zeus in The Temple and forbid the Jews to do any of their oblations and forced them to stop ALL of their worship, including sacrifices to God. This lead to the Maccabean revolt and the absolute carnage against the Jewish people. This view is widely held among most orthodox Jewish Rabbi today.

Another view is that Jesus & Daniel were also talking prophetically about when Caligula also attempted to put his own Statue in the Temple in Jerusalem between AD 37-40.

Thanks for posting this, Many in the Body forget about the AoD in 167/168 BC.
Part of the reason for posting this is that Christ referred to Dan 11 whne the disciples ask Him about the end of the age. He said that Dan 11 was a type of what would happen then...

Dan 11:31 And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.

They are those who think that this was fulfilled in 70AD, but although Titus destroyed the Temple, He did not PLACE the AOD there. It is still future, at a time when the annihilation of all life on earth would be possible...

Mat 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.

So what is this coming Abomination of Desolation? Anybody have any ideas?



(By the way, Judah the Hammer is one of my favorite characters in history.)
 
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The_highwayman

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Part of the reason for posting this is that Christ referred to Dan 11 whne the disciples ask Him about the end of the age. He said that Dan 11 was a type of what would happen then...

Dan 11:31 And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.

They are those who think that this was fulfilled in 70AD, but although Titus destroyed the Temple, He did not PLACE the AOD there. It is still future, at a time when the annihilation of all life on earth would be possible...

Mat 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.

So what is this coming Abomination of Desolation? Anybody have any ideas?



(By the way, Judah the Hammer is one of my favorite characters in history.)
I also agree with you on Titus, he never sat down or placed an AoD in the Temple. Many also don't understand that he was also finishing up the process started by his Dad, Vespasian.

I also Liked Judah the Hammer and I am also fond of Eleazar ben Ya'ir the leader of the Sicarii, who fled to Masada.
 
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Many teach that Christ refers to the AoD of 168 BC which many have noted in the other posts. My question would be is Christ telling us of an AoD that is yet to come? During the tribulation period perhaps? At a time when the antichrist kills the Jewish priests and mingles their blood with swine in the temple to defile it openly.

For the cause of Christ
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john832

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Many teach that Christ refers to the AoD of 168 BC which many have noted in the other posts. My question would be is Christ telling us of an AoD that is yet to come? During the tribulation period perhaps? At a time when the antichrist kills the Jewish priests and mingles their blood with swine in the temple to defile it openly.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Christ referred to the AoD of 168BC as the type of the anti-typical fulfillment at the end time. What do you think the anti-type will be. I have my thoughts on this but would like to see what others are thinking. I have nothing cast in concrete at the moment. There is a time coming that for the times of the Gentiles...

Rev 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
Rev 11:2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."

The time period here is 3-1/2 years. Is this coincidental to the language in Luke 21:20...

Luk 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.

or is it speaking of the same event?

Who or what is this coming AoD? It does have something to do with sacrifices beign reinstated and then stopped...

Dan 8:23 "And in the latter time of their kingdom, When the transgressors have reached their fullness, A king shall arise, Having fierce features, Who understands sinister schemes.
Dan 8:24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; He shall destroy fearfully, And shall prosper and thrive; He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people.
Dan 8:25 "Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes; But he shall be broken without human means.
Dan 8:26 "And the vision of the evenings and mornings Which was told is true; Therefore seal up the vision, For it refers to many days in the future."

Dan 8:8 Therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven.
Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land.
Dan 8:10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them.
Dan 8:11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.
Dan 8:13 Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?"
Dan 8:14 And he said to me, "For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed."

Judah the Hammer fulfilled verse 14 as the type, but what about the anti-type?
 
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The only abomination I see is when we take an inanimate object, ascribe to it value then everything we do is based off of that self ascribed value. Money is paper and numbers on a computer screen, and whatever it costs to print a $1 bill, it costs to print $100 bill!
 
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It's the Lord in the hearts of God.