Who touched me??

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His_will_i_am

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How did she do that?
She forced her way through the crowd. It happens even today when start struck fans force their way through even tight security to touch their favorite idols.

What did she know that the others that were thronging Christ did not know including Peter and they that were with him???
The passage of Scripture which you're examining is peculiar because it speaks a very interesting message which is made more clear when one knows more accurately what the Scripture is describing. The 'garment' which the woman reached out and touched was no ordinary garment. It was actually our Lord's prayer shawl which had a tzit-tzit entwined in it's corner.

This is why i love the bible, there is always something intriguing about it that is not so often noticed by a great many christians out there.
Agreed. Blessings.
 

pickles

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Lazarus wasn't healed, he was raised from the dead lol. But that said, God does and can heal and do miracles without the receiver having faith themself, but it is the exception to the norm and requires a gift of healing. John 5:4 is one such example.

If the bible says it was their faith, it was their faith.
God does do miracles by the "hearing of faith" (Gal 3:5).
First the word must be spoken, then it must be believed.
But it is the person's own faith that they put in what they hear.

There's nothing mystical or mysterious or magical about faith coming into a person after they hear some words. It is just that they have chosen to put the measure of faith that they already have, into what they hear. That measure of faith is dependant upon their willingness to hear and obey and trust.

That's why some had little faith and others hand great faith. God cannot be blamed for the little faith or credited for the great faith. Why was Jesus so surprised at times by their great faith if it was His faith to begin with? shouldn't He have known? Why did Jesus scold them for their little faith if that little faith too was from Him?
Thankyou for the catch on Lazarus , meant to say miracles. I have to pay closer attention when on late at night. smiles and God bless, pickles
 
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seeker710

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What I find most interesting about this passage is that, as far as I know, it is the only question Jesus asked to mankind that wasn't rhetorical, and intended to teach. It was the only recorded question Jesus asked (of his fellow man, at least - For He did also ask "My God, why hast thou forsaken me?") THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO. That seems so important to me. It reveals Jesus' humanity so profoundly. It shows that Jesus was indeed, somehow, both human and divine. It makes it easier to "connect" with Him on a human level when you know that because He was a man, He suffered, He cried, He felt anger....and sometimes things happened that even He didn't know the answers to. Just like us. And it makes it easier to connect with Him on a divine level when you know that even though He is one aspect of the Trinity, He KNOWS what it's like to be a man. (I understand on a theoretical leval that even if he hadn't come to the world and lived in it as a man, he would still know what it is to be human, but because he did come to the world, and experienced human weaknesses, fears and sorrows for himself, it takes Him out of some lofty theorhetical plane and make Him REAL for us.) And BECAUSE OF THIS, when He encourages us to stive for divinity in our own lives, it makes it somehow more believable that it really is possible. Because he said it was. Because he SHOWED it to us. Certainly we can never expect to attain his level of divinity, but we do have the potential to be so much more than we are now! We were made in God's image. Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden not just because they ate of the tree of the Knowledge between Good and Evil, but also "lest they eat also of the Tree of Eternal Life, and become Gods, like us".... It all comes together in this one simple question.
 

Graybeard

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Sometimes Jesus could not do any miracles because of the lack of the peoples faith, that has always intrigued me.
 
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Slepsog4

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When deity asks a question of a human it is not for information, but for confession.
 

pickles

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Sometimes Jesus could not do any miracles because of the lack of the peoples faith, that has always intrigued me.
I have read this also in scripture. Your right, it is very interesting. I think this itself would make an interesting study. God bless, pickles
 
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In Matthew 9:20, Luke 8:43, we read of a woman that touched Jesus cloak in the mist of so many people that thronged Him. How did she do that? She was very sick and weak, plus in those times she was considered cursed and was not to show herself outside. She risk her life to push thr the crowd to get to Jesus. She acted. No matter what was all agaisnt her she went to the healer.Now, what really happend to Saul and those that were with him on the way to Damascus Saul was knocked down off of his horse. The Lord got his attention. Where was Eve when God was telling Adam not to eat from the forbiden tree? Dont speed read the bible, study it instead. She was standing right there. Just like Adam was standing right there when the snake was tricking her and didn't open his mouth.
 

Graybeard

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Where was Eve when God was telling Adam not to eat from the forbiden tree? Dont speed read the bible, study it instead. She was standing right there. Just like Adam was standing right there when the snake was tricking her and didn't open his mouth.
Peace be to you loveschild but I have to suggest that you follow your own instructions, please study it and you will see that before Eve was created God gave instructions to Adam about the forbidden trees.
God Bless
 
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Walter11

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Peace be to you loveschild but I have to suggest that you follow your own instructions, please study it and you will see that before Eve was created God gave instructions to Adam about the forbidden trees.
God Bless
Now, in Genesis 2:7, God formed man out of the soil from the ground and in verse 15 placed that man in the garden of eden to cultivate it and to guard it, and there gave the man instructions concerning the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. At that point in time, Eve was not created until verse 21, yet in chapter 3 verse 2, she says more than what Adam was told by God. This is what i ment, that the scripture should be looked at with great care otherwise we will miss important lessons that show how a man is totally realated to the woman and how important she is to him. satan knew that even from the beginning. I now understand why satan did not have to say a word to Adam, Eve is all he needed to cause Adam to sin.
 
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Reesegirl

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You know, I've never really given this particular account much reflection...what a beautiful story, and a beautiful physical example of a spiritual truth. This woman, whom in Lukes account we find spent all her living trying in vain to be healed by physicians, still had enough faith to come up to Jesus and reach for his garment through the crowd, believing that he had power to heal her. It turns my mind to the fact that the Bible tells us just to believe...BELIEVE--and be saved. It's so easy! We don't have to work all of our lives and hope against hope that God will save us if we're good enough. He saves us in spite of the fact that we're not good enough, and then just tells us to believe.

As to the faith, I think it's both. Here's why: in Romans 1:17, it says "For therein [in the gospel of Christ from the previous verse] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." There are two faiths: our faith, and Christ's faith.

Consider: Luke 17:6 says, "And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you. As a grain of mustard seed! That's not a lot of faith...and I can't do that, in fact, I don't know anyone who can. Does that mean that we don't have a lot of faith? If so, what about Acts 8:37, when Philip says to believe with all thine heart?

The fact is (I think), that even when we believe with all of our heart...we still don't have a lot of faith. But we don't need a LOT of faith, we just need to take all that we have and place it in Jesus Christ, because where our faith ends: his begins. Romans 3:21-22 says, "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith OF Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference." Notice, it doesn't say faith IN Jesus Christ. This can be further seen in Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith OF Jesus Christ, even we have believed IN Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith OF Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." See, Jesus had limitless faith in the power of God: of course, he was God. The one perhaps in scripture who came closest (although still not very close) was Peter, who had faith enough in Christ to step out onto the water--and even he looked around and started to sink. But once we place all of the little bit of faith that we have inside of us, and place it in Jesus Christ, from then on we stand on his faith. He had faith enough to live a sinless life, fulfilling the law, and then to die at the end of it believing that God would raise him from the dead. So all we're left to believe is that he did it for us.

I hope this make sense...it's really quite beyond my understanding how God graciously imputes his righteousness to us through faith. But I believe it because he said he did, even though I don't quite understand it, and praise the Lord! God loved us enough to send a Savior!

God bless!
 
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Walter11

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You know, I've never really given this particular account much reflection...what a beautiful story, and a beautiful physical example of a spiritual truth. This woman, whom in Lukes account we find spent all her living trying in vain to be healed by physicians, still had enough faith to come up to Jesus and reach for his garment through the crowd, believing that he had power to heal her. It turns my mind to the fact that the Bible tells us just to believe...BELIEVE--and be saved. It's so easy! We don't have to work all of our lives and hope against hope that God will save us if we're good enough. He saves us in spite of the fact that we're not good enough, and then just tells us to believe.

As to the faith, I think it's both. Here's why: in Romans 1:17, it says "For therein [in the gospel of Christ from the previous verse] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." There are two faiths: our faith, and Christ's faith.

Consider: Luke 17:6 says, "And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you. As a grain of mustard seed! That's not a lot of faith...and I can't do that, in fact, I don't know anyone who can. Does that mean that we don't have a lot of faith? If so, what about Acts 8:37, when Philip says to believe with all thine heart?

The fact is (I think), that even when we believe with all of our heart...we still don't have a lot of faith. But we don't need a LOT of faith, we just need to take all that we have and place it in Jesus Christ, because where our faith ends: his begins. Romans 3:21-22 says, "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith OF Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference." Notice, it doesn't say faith IN Jesus Christ. This can be further seen in Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith OF Jesus Christ, even we have believed IN Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith OF Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." See, Jesus had limitless faith in the power of God: of course, he was God. The one perhaps in scripture who came closest (although still not very close) was Peter, who had faith enough in Christ to step out onto the water--and even he looked around and started to sink. But once we place all of the little bit of faith that we have inside of us, and place it in Jesus Christ, from then on we stand on his faith. He had faith enough to live a sinless life, fulfilling the law, and then to die at the end of it believing that God would raise him from the dead. So all we're left to believe is that he did it for us.

I hope this make sense...it's really quite beyond my understanding how God graciously imputes his righteousness to us through faith. But I believe it because he said he did, even though I don't quite understand it, and praise the Lord! God loved us enough to send a Savior!

God bless!
That dear woman Reesegirl, did what only a woman can. Remember what Eve said in Genesis 3 verse 2? This woman touched the TREE OF LIFE.
 
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Reesegirl

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That dear woman Reesegirl, did what only a woman can. Remember what Eve said in Genesis 3 verse 2? This woman touched the TREE OF LIFE.

Hi Walter,
I see what you mean by the Tree of Life being a symbol for Jesus Christ back in Genesis, I think. But I missed the correlation with Genesis 3:2 where Eve says, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden (3:3) But the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither touch it, lest ye die." Please explain further, I'm interested to know what you see.
 
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Walter11

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Hi Reesegirl. What i saw is quit deep and a bit hard to explain but i will try anyway. Adam and Eve never did eat from the tree of life and were cut of from getting to it cause of their sin. When Christ came to this world, it was as if the tree of life had came to us cause we cant get to it. That woman who touched Christ did so cause it was now possible to do so unlike for Adam and Eve. Now Christ often said that we must eat of His flesh, His flesh being every word in the bible as we read in John 1:14. You must bear in mind that the bible is a very analytical book. It is not written in such a way as to encourage subjective analysis or philosophical reasoning. It is written like an engineering book, wherein truth is presented as absolute fact. The bible is also its own dictionary and commentary. Each and every word, sentence, concept, etc, is to be understood by examining the use of that same word or concept as it is found elsewhere in the bible. One must never came to it with any kind of preconceived ideas. What that dear woman did goes way back to the time of Adam and Eve and what happend to them when the ate from the forbidden tree. They simply lost their own flesh thus becaming spiritually naked. The cloak of Christ that the woman touched is symbolic of the flesh we all need to cover our nakedness in the sight of the LORD. I do hope i have made sence here for you Reesegirl. God bless you. My regards.
 
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Reesegirl

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I see. Thank you. :)
 
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