Who Were The Jusaizers? Are You One? Do You Know Anybody That Is?

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by Daniel Botkin Reprinted from Gates of Eden 2-3 The Jerusalem Council of Acts

Christians who believe in keeping the 7th-day Sabbath are sometimes called "Judaizers" by their fellow Christians.
While there were (and perhaps still are) real Judaizers, it should be noted that the word Judaizer does not even appear
in the KJV Bible. The first known use of the word Judaizer in the English language did not occur until 1582.

1~ and if one searches for the word in the Scriptures, it will only be found in recent translations of the Bible.
2~True, there were people in New Testament times whom we could correctly refer to as Judaizers. But before accusing a fellow-believer of Judaizing, the accuser should be sure he knows what a Judaizer is. Probably the best description of
Judaizers is in Acts 15:1:

"And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, and said, 'Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you CANNOT BE SAVED." (Emphasis mine)

The main question of the so-called Jerusalem Council was not "How Should Gentiles Behave?" The question was "What Do Gentiles Need To Do In Order To Be Saved?" Some of the believers from Judea said that if the Gentiles wanted to be saved, they had to be circumcised. This meant more than the mere physical removal of the foreskin. Circumcision performed for the purpose of being "saved" meant a full, formal conversion to Judaism, complete with a baptism into Judaism and an embracing of the rabbis' entire Oral Law (probably the law that Peter had in mind when he referred to "a yoke... which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear")
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3~The Judaizers believed that this conversion process would turn the Gentile believer into a full-fledged Jew, and that without this the Gentile could not be saved. Without a complete, formal conversion to Judaism, the Gentile believer could not become a full-fledged member of the saved Messianic Community, the Judaizers said. Of course the Judaizers were
mistaken. Simon Peter told the Council how the Roman Cornelius and his household of uncircumcised Gentile God-fearers had received the Holy Spirit without formally converting to Judaism
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4~It was obvious, therefore, that full conversion to Judaism was not a prerequisite to being saved, for God would not fill "unsaved" people with His Holy Spirit. Paul and Barnabas reinforced Peter's argument by "declaring what miracles and
wonders God had wrought among the [uncircumcised] Gentiles by them." James then spoke and gave his judgment:
"Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from things contaminated by idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood." Many Christians stop reading at this point and say, These four things are the only parts of the Old Testament Law that Gentiles need to follow. We can ignore the Sabbath because the Sabbath is not specified here for Gentile believers."However, if this were the case, we would also have to conclude that it is permissible for Gentile believers to covet, steal, dishonor their parents, and dabble in the occult, for none of the commandments forbidding
these things are specified here. And to say that commandments against coveting, stealing, etc. appear on other pages of the New Testament is just evading the issue, for there was no "New Testament" book yet in existence to instruct these believers. The New Testament writings were not compiled and canonized until about 150 years later, long after this first generation of believers were in their graves. The only Bible the believers had at the time of the Jerusalem Council was what is now called the Old Testament. Obviously James' words cannot mean that none of the Torah's commands are valid except for these four things, for the writers of the New Testament epistles, when writing years later, constantly quoted from the Torah to instruct Gentile believers. The confusion begins to clear up when the rest of James' statement is read:

"For Moses of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogue every Sabbath day."

What does Moses being read in the synagogue every Sabbath have to do with Gentile believers? On the surface, this closing remark of James seems irrelevant to the topic being discussed, and makes the passage even more confusing. However, if the historical setting is taken into consideration, James' closing remark clears up the confusion and gives meaning to the passage. What is the historical setting? At this point in history, the Gentile believers were still worshipping in the synagogues on the Sabbath, along with the Jewish believers, who were called Nazarenes. Therefore the implication of James' words, if I may take the liberty to paraphrase, is this:

MARCH-APRIL 2OOl GATES OF EDEN PAGE 4 "Begin by instructing the Gentiles about these four things [verse 20]. As they
continue to attend synagogue with us every Sabbath, they will gradually learn the rest of the Torah, and put it into
practice as they leam [verse 21]." Of course James and the others did not foresee the then-future split between church and synagogue. The Apostles expected the Gentiles to continue learning Torah with the Nazarenes every Sabbath in the
synagogues in every city.

The above explanation still leaves one question unanswered, namely, Why did the Apostles specifiy these four particular areas of Torah (things contaminated by idols, fornication, things strangled, and blood)? Some writers and Bible teachers have stated that the Apostles were prescribing the so-called Noahide Laws which the rabbis formulated as the minimum basic requirements for Gentiles to be accepted by God as Gentiles. While the four things listed in Acts 15 bear some
similarity to the Noahide Laws, they are not identical to the Noahide Laws. The Noahide Laws are seven, not four.

5~Why did the Apostles decide to begin the Gentiles' instruction with these four commandments? Why not begin by
teaching them some of the weightier matters of the Torah, such as laws against murder and theft? I believe the answer to that question lies in the fact that even idolatrous Gentiles had civil laws against such things, so they already considered such things wrong. Gentiles did not have civil laws against all forms of sexual immorality, however. On the contrary, sexual immorality was very common and considered quite acceptable by the Gentile culture of that time. Therefore the Apostles wanted to make sure that the Gentiles who were turning to God understood that sexual immorality is wrong. It is interesting that the other three commandments prescribed by the Apostles were dietary restrictions. The
Gentiles were told not to eat: 1) food that had been offered to idols, 2) meat from a strangled animal, and 3) blood. Why begin the instruction of new believers by telling them about dietary laws? That is a rather strange place to start. Or is it?
I believe the Apostles were simply following the teaching pattern that is set forth in Leviticus. Leviticus is the third book of the Torah, but for Jewish children it was always the first book of the Bible that they studied. The first ten chapters of Leviticus detail the duties of the priests as they offered sacrifices in the Tabernacle. At the end of this section, in chapter 10, the priests' duty to the people is stated: "And that you may put a difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean: and that you may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the Lord has spoken unto them by the hand of Moses.' The rest of Leviticus, beginning in chapter 11, contains commandments for daily living, which the priests were to teach the people. What is the very first thing that the Lord tells the priests to teach the people about? The dietary laws, which make up the entire content of chapter 11.

6~Thus the Apostles, consciously or unconsciously, were simply following this pattern of teaching "a difference between holy and unholy and between unclean and clean" by beginning with the dietary laws, and with the expectation that these new members of the Messianic Community would, from Sabbath to Sabbath, eventually be taught "all the statutes which the Lord had spoken by the hand of Moses." "For Moses of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath,day." The historical setting of Acts 15 must not be ignored. There are many parts of
the Bible which can be understood and enjoyed with no knowledge of the historical setting. But if we deliberately divorce a passage such as Acts 15 from its historical setting, we misunderstand and twist the Scriptures to our own ruin. By looking at the passage in its entirety and in its historical setting, we see that the Judaizers were those who insisted that Gentiles needed a full, formal conversion to Judaism in order to be saved. (This was also the problem Paul was dealing with in Galatians.) There may still be Judaizers in existence today, butI am certainly not one of them.
NOTES
1~Webster's 9th New Collegiate Dictionary (Springfield, MA: Merrian-Webster, 1986), 653. ^al. 2:14, 'Iou5ai£a>,
translated "to live as do the Jews" in KJV; "to judaize"inthe1979KJVII.
3~No Scripture-loving Jew could describe the written Torah as an unbearable yoke. See Psalm 19 and Psalm 119.
4~lt is important to note that "God-fearers" were Gentiles who were already observing Sabbath, feast days, and dietary laws. They were already living what could be described as a "Jewish" lifestyle. They just had not taken the final steps of conversion (i.e., circumcision and baptism) and they were not required to pay the Temple tax or offer sacrifices in the Temple. See Joseph Good, Prophecies in the Book of Esther (Hatikvah Ministries, 1995), 90f and Patrice Fischer,
Modem-Day God-Fearers: A Biblical Role Model For Gentile Participation in Messianic Congregations, an unpublished paper in the author's possession. ^The seven Noahide Laws as formulated by the rabbis consisted of six prohibitions (against theft, murder, sexual immorality, idolatry, blasphemy, and eating a limb torn from a living animal) and one positive precept (establish courts of justice). These seven laws actually provide only an outline for a total of 66 laws that the rabbis came up with for Gentiles. See Aaron Lichtenstein, The Seven Laws of Noah (New York: The Rabbi Jacob Joseph School Press, 1981).
6~lt makes sense that instructions for daily living should begin with things that are very much a part of daily life. Eating is more a part of daily life than almost any other activity. GATES OF EDEN MARCH-APRIL 2OO1PAGE 5
 
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A long article I know, but worth the read. What's the point of controversy if you're not clear on what the controversy is? I know I wasn't.
 
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By some standards on CC members, Jesus was a Judaizer. Obviously, calling someone Judaizer for following the commandments of Messiah is not Judaizing. Observing the Sabbath is not Judaizing. Nor is abstaining from unclean foods.

Name calling and labeling what you know not of, is ignorance.
 

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Judaism is based upon the Talmud NOT the Holt Scriptures, thus one promoting Yahweh;s Law IS NOT a "Judaizer"

In the 1st century one would be brought to trial, and possibly beat, imprisoned, or killed for transgressing pharisee law, Messiah and all the disciples were against this.

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

Thing is most the modern religious world is oblivious to this and thus lumps Yahweh's Law and pharisee law together and tosses them both out. Messiah clearly separates the two but again most completely miss this.
 

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I doubt this thread gets much attention.

Why righty divide truth when one can toss all instructions out and do as they please?
 
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Judaism is based upon the Talmud NOT the Holt Scriptures, thus one promoting Yahweh;s Law IS NOT a "Judaizer"

In the 1st century one would be brought to trial, and possibly beat, imprisoned, or killed for transgressing pharisee law, Messiah and all the disciples were against this.

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

Thing is most the modern religious world is oblivious to this and thus lumps Yahweh's Law and pharisee law together and tosses them both out. Messiah clearly separates the two but again most completely miss this.
Exactly! Thank you. Would be nice if more people realized this.
 

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Mark 7:7-9, "But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. For laying aside the Law of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men! Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!"

Reminds of of many modern religions that claim to follow the Scriptures.

They reject Yahweh;s Law and make their own.
 

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Here is a verse about the pharisee style of making ones own law that is grossly misunderstood and falsely applied to obedience to Yahweh:

Romans10:3, "Since they, being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from Yahweh, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to Yahweh's righteousness."

When applied with common translation I can see how it is misunderstood, yet when the greek is consulted the true meaning and intent of this comes forth:

Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."

1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the end (telos) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."

1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate result (telos) of your faith--the salvation of your souls."

If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away in 1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9. Unless of course telos means the goal.

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies - 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

James 5:11, "Behold, we call them blessed that endured: ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord, how that the Lord is full of pity, and merciful."

Yaaqob (James) 5:11, "Behold, we regard as blessed those who endure. You have heard of the patience of Iyyob, and have seen the ultimate result of Yahweh: that Yahweh is very compassionate and merciful."

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies - 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.
 
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Praise Yahoveh! Thank you Father for Your Shabbat! It is over too soon. Bless these, my friends, who earnestly contend for The Faith here. Give them Your Shalom, Father. Amein
 

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and another direct transgression against Yahweh of true "Judaizers"

This one is especially interesting because most call you a Judaizer if you speak Yahweh name but theose of Judaisim fobid speaking His name.

AND NEARLY ALL THE WORLD FOLLOWS THE PHARISEE LAW IN NOT WRITING OF PRONOUNCING YAHWEH"S NAME:

The Jewish Encyclopedia Volume 9, pages 162-163
The restriction upon communicating the Name proper probably originated in Oriental etiquette; in the East even a teacher was not called by name. For naming his master Elisha, Gehazi was punished with leprosy (II Kings viii. 5; Sanh. 100a). After the death of the high priest Simeon the Righteous, forty years prior to the destruction of the Temple, the priests ceased to pronounce the Name (Yoma 39b). From that time the pronunciation of the Name was prohibited. "Whoever pronounces the Name forfeits his portion in the future world" (Sanhedrin xi. 1). Hananiah ben Teradion was punished for teaching his disciples the pronunciation of the Name (`Ab. Zarah 17b).

Psalm 116:13, "We will take the cup of salvation, and we will call upon Your Name, O Yahweh."

Malakyah 2:2, "If you will not hear, if you will not take this to heart--to give glory to My Name, says Yahweh of hosts: I will send a curse upon you! I will curse your blessings; yes, I have cursed them already, because you do not take this to heart."
 

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same religion different colored kippah:

No 'Yahweh' in songs, prayers at Catholic Masses, Vatican rules - CNS STORY: No 'Yahweh' in songs, prayers at Catholic Masses, Vatican rules

Vatican Says No 'Yahweh' In Songs, Prayers At Catholic Masses - Vatican Says No 'Yahweh' In Songs, Prayers At Catholic Masses - Music & Dance - Entertainment - Catholic Online

Revelation 13:6, "And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against Yahweh, to blaspheme His Name..."

Official Ban Directive:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...lP7xWc&sig=AHIEtbSvhkK3nzKA8hlyqS2lizE8ALRhwA

Yahyl 2:31-32, "The sun will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of Yahweh comes And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem there will be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the remnant whom Yahweh calls."

Acts 2:20-21, "The sun will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of Yahweh comes. And it will come to pass that
whoever calls on the Name of Yahweh will be delivered."
 

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Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b
His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name (Yahweh) in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white/"

Mattithyah 15:3, "But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

Numbers 6:23-27, "Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying; This is how you are to bless the children of Israyl. Say to them; YAHWEH BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU. YAHWEH MAKE HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE MERCIFUL TO YOU. YAHWEH LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU, AND GIVE YOU PEACE. So they will put MY NAME on the children of Israyl, and I will bless them."
 
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Praise Yahoveh! Thank you Father for Your Shabbat! It is over too soon. Bless these, my friends, who earnestly contend for The Faith here. Give them Your Shalom, Father. Amein
Shalom brother! Absolutely, over too soon. I've been studying today about the Sabbath Year, the Jubilee Year! Wow!
 
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and another direct transgression against Yahweh of true "Judaizers"

This one is especially interesting because most call you a Judaizer if you speak Yahweh name but theose of Judaisim fobid speaking His name.

AND NEARLY ALL THE WORLD FOLLOWS THE PHARISEE LAW IN NOT WRITING OF PRONOUNCING YAHWEH"S NAME:

The Jewish Encyclopedia Volume 9, pages 162-163
The restriction upon communicating the Name proper probably originated in Oriental etiquette; in the East even a teacher was not called by name. For naming his master Elisha, Gehazi was punished with leprosy (II Kings viii. 5; Sanh. 100a). After the death of the high priest Simeon the Righteous, forty years prior to the destruction of the Temple, the priests ceased to pronounce the Name (Yoma 39b). From that time the pronunciation of the Name was prohibited. "Whoever pronounces the Name forfeits his portion in the future world" (Sanhedrin xi. 1). Hananiah ben Teradion was punished for teaching his disciples the pronunciation of the Name (`Ab. Zarah 17b).

Psalm 116:13, "We will take the cup of salvation, and we will call upon Your Name, O Yahweh."

Malakyah 2:2, "If you will not hear, if you will not take this to heart--to give glory to My Name, says Yahweh of hosts: I will send a curse upon you! I will curse your blessings; yes, I have cursed them already, because you do not take this to heart."
and this...
Home » News » Vatican
‘Yahweh’ not to be used in liturgy, songs and prayers, Cardinal Arinze says
Vatican City, Sep 3, 2008 / 05:30 am (CNA).- The Hebrew name for God is not to be used or pronounced in liturgical celebrations, songs and prayers, Cardinal Francis Arinze, Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, has said in a letter addressed to the bishops’ conferences of the world.
 

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and this...
Home » News » Vatican
‘Yahweh’ not to be used in liturgy, songs and prayers, Cardinal Arinze says
Vatican City, Sep 3, 2008 / 05:30 am (CNA).- The Hebrew name for God is not to be used or pronounced in liturgical celebrations, songs and prayers, Cardinal Francis Arinze, Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, has said in a letter addressed to the bishops’ conferences of the world.
same religion different colored kippah
 
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Karraster;Torah to instruct Gentile believers. The confusion begins to clear up when the rest of James' statement is read: The Apostles expected the Gentiles to continue learning Torah with the Nazarenes every Sabbath in the synagogues in every city. The above explanation still leaves one question unanswered said:
5~[/B]Why did the Apostles decide to begin the Gentiles' instruction with these four commandments? Why not begin by
teaching them some of the weightier matters of the Torah, such as laws against murder and theft? I believe the answer to that question lies in the fact that even idolatrous Gentiles had civil laws against such things, so they already considered such things wrong. Gentiles did not have civil laws against all forms of sexual immorality, however. On the contrary, sexual immorality was very common and considered quite acceptable by the Gentile culture of that time. Therefore the Apostles wanted to make sure that the Gentiles who were turning to God understood that sexual immorality is wrong. It is interesting that the other three commandments prescribed by the Apostles were dietary restrictions. The
Gentiles were told not to eat: 1) food that had been offered to idols, 2) meat from a strangled animal, and 3) blood. Why begin the instruction of new believers by telling them about dietary laws? That is a rather strange place to start. Or is it?
I believe the Apostles were simply following the teaching pattern that is set forth in Leviticus. Leviticus is the third book of the Torah, but for Jewish children it was always the first book of the Bible that they studied. The first ten chapters of Leviticus detail the duties of the priests as they offered sacrifices in the Tabernacle. At the end of this section, in chapter 10, the priests' duty to the people is stated: "And that you may put a difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean: and that you may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the Lord has spoken unto them by the hand of Moses.' The rest of Leviticus, beginning in chapter 11, contains commandments for daily living, which the priests were to teach the people. What is the very first thing that the Lord tells the priests to teach the people about? The dietary laws, which make up the entire content of chapter 11.

6~Thus the Apostles, consciously or unconsciously, were simply following this pattern of teaching "a difference between holy and unholy and between unclean and clean" by beginning with the dietary laws, and with the expectation that these new members of the Messianic Community would, from Sabbath to Sabbath, eventually be taught "all the statutes which the Lord had spoken by the hand of Moses." "For Moses of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath,day." The historical setting of Acts 15 must not be ignored. There are many parts of
the Bible which can be understood and enjoyed with no knowledge of the historical setting. But if we deliberately divorce a passage such as Acts 15 from its historical setting, we misunderstand and twist the Scriptures to our own ruin. By looking at the passage in its entirety and in its historical setting, we see that the Judaizers were those who insisted that Gentiles needed a full, formal conversion to Judaism in order to be saved. (This was also the problem Paul was dealing with in Galatians.) There may still be Judaizers in existence today, butI am certainly not one of them.
NOTES
1~Webster's 9th New Collegiate Dictionary (Springfield, MA: Merrian-Webster, 1986), 653. ^al. 2:14, 'Iou5ai£a>,
translated "to live as do the Jews" in KJV; "to judaize"inthe1979KJVII.
3~No Scripture-loving Jew could describe the written Torah as an unbearable yoke. See Psalm 19 and Psalm 119.
4~lt is important to note that "God-fearers" were Gentiles who were already observing Sabbath, feast days, and dietary laws. They were already living what could be described as a "Jewish" lifestyle. They just had not taken the final steps of conversion (i.e., circumcision and baptism) and they were not required to pay the Temple tax or offer sacrifices in the Temple. See Joseph Good, Prophecies in the Book of Esther (Hatikvah Ministries, 1995), 90f and Patrice Fischer,
Modem-Day God-Fearers: A Biblical Role Model For Gentile Participation in Messianic Congregations, an unpublished paper in the author's possession. ^The seven Noahide Laws as formulated by the rabbis consisted of six prohibitions (against theft, murder, sexual immorality, idolatry, blasphemy, and eating a limb torn from a living animal) and one positive precept (establish courts of justice). These seven laws actually provide only an outline for a total of 66 laws that the rabbis came up with for Gentiles. See Aaron Lichtenstein, The Seven Laws of Noah (New York: The Rabbi Jacob Joseph School Press, 1981).
6~lt makes sense that instructions for daily living should begin with things that are very much a part of daily life. Eating is more a part of daily life than almost any other activity. GATES OF EDEN MARCH-APRIL 2OO1PAGE 5
Thank you so very much for printing this, so everyone can understand.

I would like to add a thought about the four laws they said still applied to gentiles. I don't think they had in mind the Noahide laws, but they were concerned about the Jews allowing the gentile converts in the synagogue so they could learn about God. They were very strict in those days about not allowing unclean people in, and these things needed to be obeyed to allow them entrance to the synagogue.
 
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Shalom brother! Absolutely, over too soon. I've been studying today about the Sabbath Year, the Jubilee Year! Wow!
Hey there sister! Yep, The Jubilee Year, now that IS a good study that keeps on studying! I think Yeshua will likely return at the "Grand" Jubilee Every 7 years is a Jubilee year and every 49 years, I forget what it's called, a full restoration Jubilee.
 

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I joined CC last October 2013 and before joining I had never heard the word Judaizer, but shortly after making a few posts I was labeled as one. I had no idea what it was all I knew was that I observed a 7th day Sabbath and believed in God's 10 Commandments. I know that we are saved by the blood of Jesus and His grace and mercy. But others don't seem to ever hear me when I say that. I know I will never be able to earn my way to heaven, but I also know that God says if You love me keep my commandments.

I also up until a short time ago had never heard of the Hebrew Roots Movement and have been accused of that also... So how can I be either one of these labeled things if I never knew about either until I joined this site... I also have to say that I try not to label anyone any kind of name, because I would hope that we are all seeking to know the truth and wanting to get closer to Jesus/God/Holy Spirit. I was kind of taken aback the first time I was called a name and had no idea that someone would say I was legalistic for wanting to obey Gods 10 commandments. Thanks for this thread.
 

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I joined CC last October 2013 and before joining I had never heard the word Judaizer, but shortly after making a few posts I was labeled as one. I had no idea what it was all I knew was that I observed a 7th day Sabbath and believed in God's 10 Commandments. I know that we are saved by the blood of Jesus and His grace and mercy. But others don't seem to ever hear me when I say that. I know I will never be able to earn my way to heaven, but I also know that God says if You love me keep my commandments.

I also up until a short time ago had never heard of the Hebrew Roots Movement and have been accused of that also... So how can I be either one of these labeled things if I never knew about either until I joined this site... I also have to say that I try not to label anyone any kind of name, because I would hope that we are all seeking to know the truth and wanting to get closer to Jesus/God/Holy Spirit. I was kind of taken aback the first time I was called a name and had no idea that someone would say I was legalistic for wanting to obey Gods 10 commandments. Thanks for this thread.
I understand where you are coming from, I started keeping 7th day Sabbath because I read this passage:

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

At the time I knew nothing of the name of Yahweh, Yahshua, Feast Days, really I knew of nothing "Hebrew" yet when I read this verse I knew the 4th Commandment was for all followers.

So I guess it could be called "Scriptural roots!"
 
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I joined CC last October 2013 and before joining I had never heard the word Judaizer, but shortly after making a few posts I was labeled as one. I had no idea what it was all I knew was that I observed a 7th day Sabbath and believed in God's 10 Commandments. I know that we are saved by the blood of Jesus and His grace and mercy. But others don't seem to ever hear me when I say that. I know I will never be able to earn my way to heaven, but I also know that God says if You love me keep my commandments.

I also up until a short time ago had never heard of the Hebrew Roots Movement and have been accused of that also... So how can I be either one of these labeled things if I never knew about either until I joined this site... I also have to say that I try not to label anyone any kind of name, because I would hope that we are all seeking to know the truth and wanting to get closer to Jesus/God/Holy Spirit. I was kind of taken aback the first time I was called a name and had no idea that someone would say I was legalistic for wanting to obey Gods 10 commandments. Thanks for this thread.
Thank you for this post sister, how well I relate. I came to CC to fellowship with other believers, and observed such bullying the first day I almost didn't come back. Even so, I am grateful for CC, and that I did come back. It was here that I learned I should be observing the Sabbath, among other things. It is amazing how far just a little bit of truth goes! One truth leads to another truth.

Learning about the Feasts has been a blessing also. After some research, and knowing that our Messiah will return during the Fall Feasts, I am surprised there is not more discussion about that. Counting the Omer is not popular either, apparently.

It's not fun and games. We are supposed to earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints! Get religion out of the way, because man made rules won't cut it.

Keep the faith sister! It is so worth it!