Whta is the Gospel!
- Thread starter phil36
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
We all talk about Salvation, each with our own slants and prejudices. But what exactly is the "Good News"?
What is the Good News?
In Love
Phil
P.S, I mistyped the title should be 'What'
What is the Good News?
In Love
Phil
P.S, I mistyped the title should be 'What'
agreed about the many who think all it means is jesus saves...You are right on that.. its far more involved than just saying that and hoping that will save you.
And agree that the points you made are PART of the gospel.. death burial ressurection and the verses you show for that in 1cor 15 which back that part up
Not so sure on the 'application' part mentioned though, or where the scriptures are to show gospel has anything to do with speaking in tongues etc.
but for most i agree your definition is part of what the gospel is. I believe the main part though is to know the nature of jesus and not confuse him with god, and the things concerning the kingdom..which are what the fathers said about the promises of the land and it being the future kingdom of the world that christ will head.. That is the major point christ spent most of his 40days after resurrection pumping into them.
And agree that the points you made are PART of the gospel.. death burial ressurection and the verses you show for that in 1cor 15 which back that part up
Not so sure on the 'application' part mentioned though, or where the scriptures are to show gospel has anything to do with speaking in tongues etc.
but for most i agree your definition is part of what the gospel is. I believe the main part though is to know the nature of jesus and not confuse him with god, and the things concerning the kingdom..which are what the fathers said about the promises of the land and it being the future kingdom of the world that christ will head.. That is the major point christ spent most of his 40days after resurrection pumping into them.
If any man saith he is Mine, and speaketh not a tongue, the same is a liar and no truth is in him.
Hey I can make stuff up in old english now! If I used incorrect grammar somewhere please let me know.
The Gospel is the power of God to save to those who believe.
Hey I can make stuff up in old english now! If I used incorrect grammar somewhere please let me know.
The Gospel is the power of God to save to those who believe.
better to speak 5 understandable words than 5000 gibberish words.
it sill amazes me how gentiles still think half of the stuff even had anything to do with them then let alone now.
M
The Good news is simple....
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only and unique Son, so that everyone who trusts in him may have eternal life, instead of being utterly destroyed. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but rather so that through him, the world might be saved. 18 Those who trust in him are not judged; those who do not trust have been judged already, in that they have not trusted in the one who is God's only and unique Son. 19 "Now this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, but people loved the darkness rather than the light. Why? Because their actions were wicked. 20 For everyone who does evil things hates the light and avoids it, so that his actions won't be exposed. 21 But everyone who does what is true comes to the light, so that all may see that his actions are accomplished through God." 22 After this, Yeshua and his talmidim went out into the countryside of Y'hudah, where he stayed awhile with them and immersed people. 23 Yochanan too was immersing at Einayim, near Shalem, because there was plenty of water there; and people kept coming to be immersed. 24 (This was before Yochanan's imprisonment.) 25 A discussion arose between some of Yochanan's talmidim and a Judean about ceremonial washing; 26 and they came to Yochanan and said to him, "Rabbi, you know the man who was with you on the other side of the Yarden, the one you spoke about? Well, here he is, immersing; and everyone is going to him!" 27 Yochanan answered, "No one can receive anything unless it has been given to him from Heaven. 28 You yourselves can confirm that I did not say I was the Messiah, but that I have been sent ahead of him. 29 The bridegroom is the one who has the bride; but the bridegroom's friend, who stands and listens to him, is overjoyed at the sound of the bridegroom's voice. So this joy of mine is now complete. 30 He must become more important, while I become less important. 31 "He who comes from above is above all. He who is from the earth is from the earth and talks from an earthly point of view; he who comes from heaven is above all. 32 He testifies about what he has actually seen and heard, yet no one accepts what he says! 33 Whoever does accept what he says puts his seal on the fact that God is true, 34 because the one whom God sent speaks God's words. For God does not give him the Spirit in limited degree -- 35 the Father loves the Son and has put everything in his hands. 36 Whoever trusts in the Son has eternal life. But whoever disobeys the Son will not see that life but remains subject to God's wrath."
CJB (Complete Jewish Bible)
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only and unique Son, so that everyone who trusts in him may have eternal life, instead of being utterly destroyed. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but rather so that through him, the world might be saved. 18 Those who trust in him are not judged; those who do not trust have been judged already, in that they have not trusted in the one who is God's only and unique Son. 19 "Now this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, but people loved the darkness rather than the light. Why? Because their actions were wicked. 20 For everyone who does evil things hates the light and avoids it, so that his actions won't be exposed. 21 But everyone who does what is true comes to the light, so that all may see that his actions are accomplished through God." 22 After this, Yeshua and his talmidim went out into the countryside of Y'hudah, where he stayed awhile with them and immersed people. 23 Yochanan too was immersing at Einayim, near Shalem, because there was plenty of water there; and people kept coming to be immersed. 24 (This was before Yochanan's imprisonment.) 25 A discussion arose between some of Yochanan's talmidim and a Judean about ceremonial washing; 26 and they came to Yochanan and said to him, "Rabbi, you know the man who was with you on the other side of the Yarden, the one you spoke about? Well, here he is, immersing; and everyone is going to him!" 27 Yochanan answered, "No one can receive anything unless it has been given to him from Heaven. 28 You yourselves can confirm that I did not say I was the Messiah, but that I have been sent ahead of him. 29 The bridegroom is the one who has the bride; but the bridegroom's friend, who stands and listens to him, is overjoyed at the sound of the bridegroom's voice. So this joy of mine is now complete. 30 He must become more important, while I become less important. 31 "He who comes from above is above all. He who is from the earth is from the earth and talks from an earthly point of view; he who comes from heaven is above all. 32 He testifies about what he has actually seen and heard, yet no one accepts what he says! 33 Whoever does accept what he says puts his seal on the fact that God is true, 34 because the one whom God sent speaks God's words. For God does not give him the Spirit in limited degree -- 35 the Father loves the Son and has put everything in his hands. 36 Whoever trusts in the Son has eternal life. But whoever disobeys the Son will not see that life but remains subject to God's wrath."
CJB (Complete Jewish Bible)
Last edited:
Yes thats what the churches of today say to confuse the issue you are right.
But the actual gospel message was that taught by christ about himself and his coming kindom and the who where what how and when of that kingdom and promises to Abraham etc about the promised land. All important for salvation..
unfortunately the churches today also confuse by trying to make out the bible says all you need to do is believe in jesus and thats it. Many believe in jesus.. moslims..jws. catholics, baptists, bahais the list goes on.. but are they all going to be saved? god forbid. only one group will be saved.. true christians..and understanding the gospel is what distinguishes real believers in christ to the ones that just say..'believe in christ and be saved''.. thats like saying..believe you can diet and expect to be thin because you believe it''.. bit more work involved.
most important thing to know is that jesus is not god. othewise one can say..'i believe in jesus im saved'..yet that jesus they say they believe in is not the jesus of the bible' which clearly is man not god. that is the very first thing to understand before worrying about any of the other stuff.
But the actual gospel message was that taught by christ about himself and his coming kindom and the who where what how and when of that kingdom and promises to Abraham etc about the promised land. All important for salvation..
unfortunately the churches today also confuse by trying to make out the bible says all you need to do is believe in jesus and thats it. Many believe in jesus.. moslims..jws. catholics, baptists, bahais the list goes on.. but are they all going to be saved? god forbid. only one group will be saved.. true christians..and understanding the gospel is what distinguishes real believers in christ to the ones that just say..'believe in christ and be saved''.. thats like saying..believe you can diet and expect to be thin because you believe it''.. bit more work involved.
most important thing to know is that jesus is not god. othewise one can say..'i believe in jesus im saved'..yet that jesus they say they believe in is not the jesus of the bible' which clearly is man not god. that is the very first thing to understand before worrying about any of the other stuff.
Last edited:
Although I agree that all should seek to know the bible and its teachings, this does not make one saved.
Just as you said that many know Jesus but are not saved , this also applies to the word.
Many know and understand the bible very well yet they will not gain salvation.
So if it is not being saved, not about knowladge and understanding then what do you say brings one salvation?
Im curious as to your answer.
God bless, pickles
Just as you said that many know Jesus but are not saved , this also applies to the word.
Many know and understand the bible very well yet they will not gain salvation.
So if it is not being saved, not about knowladge and understanding then what do you say brings one salvation?
Im curious as to your answer.
God bless, pickles
Pickles
Although I agree that all should seek to know the bible and its teachings, this does not make one saved.
Just as you said that many know Jesus but are not saved , this also applies to the word.
Many know and understand the bible very well yet they will not gain salvation.
So if it is not being saved, not about knowladge and understanding then what do you say brings one salvation?
Im curious as to your answer.
God bless, pickles
Totally agree with all you said.
Pickles I give the same answer I have all along on here,
Salvation can only come through ones faith. That faith of course cannot be like most of ‘chrsitendom’ which is blind faith.
That faith is believing as Abraham did. (faith of Abraham), the faith in knowing the true gospel
Knowledge is essential, one cannot have faith in something they don’t understand. They have to totally know what it is they have faith in. There is no mystery involved in faith as many claim
So the simple quick answer without all the details of what goes into ‘gospel and what it is etc’
Is KNOWLEDGE TO UNDERSTAND THE GOSPEL AND FAITH IN BELIEVING IN THAT
cheers
Although I agree that all should seek to know the bible and its teachings, this does not make one saved.
Just as you said that many know Jesus but are not saved , this also applies to the word.
Many know and understand the bible very well yet they will not gain salvation.
So if it is not being saved, not about knowladge and understanding then what do you say brings one salvation?
Im curious as to your answer.
God bless, pickles
Totally agree with all you said.
Pickles I give the same answer I have all along on here,
Salvation can only come through ones faith. That faith of course cannot be like most of ‘chrsitendom’ which is blind faith.
That faith is believing as Abraham did. (faith of Abraham), the faith in knowing the true gospel
Knowledge is essential, one cannot have faith in something they don’t understand. They have to totally know what it is they have faith in. There is no mystery involved in faith as many claim
So the simple quick answer without all the details of what goes into ‘gospel and what it is etc’
Is KNOWLEDGE TO UNDERSTAND THE GOSPEL AND FAITH IN BELIEVING IN THAT
cheers
D
Well speaking in tongues for one isn't just gibberish and they didn't just to it to spread the Gospel. Tongues is used for 3 main reasons: 1) To Prophecy and 2)To Show evidence of the indwellment of the Holy Ghost, and 3) The Spirit will pray for us.
I have even had dreams of speaking in tongues. Was I spreading the word of God in my sleep? No. But it was the Spirit praying for me.
I will stop there though, as this is off topic. You may PM me if you wish to know more.
I have even had dreams of speaking in tongues. Was I spreading the word of God in my sleep? No. But it was the Spirit praying for me.
I will stop there though, as this is off topic. You may PM me if you wish to know more.
D
How can you say it is not of God? Did God tell us differently? Did he give us a new way to worship him? I think not. Did the apostles not speak in tongues? And the other followers of Christ. Did God not pour out his Spirit on the day of pentecost and it sat upon them like fire? There is no reason why we should not still do the things that the apostles did.
Personally I do not believe that you need to be baptized in the Spirit, what I mean is once you are born again you have the Holy Spirit indwelling you, you don't need to be baptized to get the Spirit, of course unless you lost him while shopping or out playing golf.
as I said in another post I am not a cessationist, but, nowhere can I be convinced in Scripture that this needs to happen to us once the the gentiles had full inclusion. Paul nowhere says that this is a sign of being born again, and in fact when Paul actually talks about the gifts of the Holy Spirit, he plainly says that each person has a different gift... so where does that leave you when all are babbling in some gibberish? have you got an interpreter for each and every person in your church. so if you have 100 wailing in tongues have you got 100 people listening and then interpreting so that this gift edifies the and uplifts the church? I could easily guess the answer will be a resounding NO!
so this is plainly not the Gospel is it?
Phil
as I said in another post I am not a cessationist, but, nowhere can I be convinced in Scripture that this needs to happen to us once the the gentiles had full inclusion. Paul nowhere says that this is a sign of being born again, and in fact when Paul actually talks about the gifts of the Holy Spirit, he plainly says that each person has a different gift... so where does that leave you when all are babbling in some gibberish? have you got an interpreter for each and every person in your church. so if you have 100 wailing in tongues have you got 100 people listening and then interpreting so that this gift edifies the and uplifts the church? I could easily guess the answer will be a resounding NO!
so this is plainly not the Gospel is it?
Phil