Whta is the Gospel!

[Consumed]

the message of the gospel is easy to understand without all the doctrines thrown out there, love God with all and love thy neighbor as yourself, that is the fulfillment of the law, didn't come to change one dot or tittle, just brought us a clearer understanding of the ten commandments and empowered us to do this by the regeneration of our minds thru the Holy Spirit, and in doing so made Himself the lamb of God, the ultimate sacrifice to take the sins of not just you or me, but all in the world who would receive the gift of salvation.

Jesus rejects no person who comes to Him, none, and has the patience to ride it out with them til the end of this world, pity we as "enlightened" people twist scriptures to justify not having fellowship with those who call on the name of the Lord. And yes Jesus said many who call me Lord Lord shall not enter, they don't because they refused to be changed in their nature, self righteous, judgmental, unmerciful,self boasting,argumentative with spite,no love in them for their neighbor. Paul said to "bear the brethren" what i see is some people just shun them all together and then say "I'm Christ minded", now these i would be the ones I'd mark but not reject outright, I'd just encourage them to love more and whine less for they will always have a justification for shunning them and say "i'm Christ minded", really are they

 

[GospelOnly]

Like I said. The Gift of tongues, and praying in tongues are different. Was everyone on the day of pentecost who were speaking in tongues prophecying? Was there an interpreter for all three thousand souls? No. So were they not of God?

where is it about praying in tongues? Isn't your god able to understand your prayers in your own tongue?

Do you have an interpreter to translate what you are praying.. and if you need an interpreter how do you know your not praying to kill your family?

tongues was to spread the word around to different countries quickly, no need for that today whatsoever..

Gibberish was never what the bible mentions as Tongues

Tongues just means languages.. ie german, french, italian, etc.

 

[GospelOnly]

I wanted to ask this because of my concern for you.

I see a good want of truth in scriptures in you, I respect this and see your faith . But you came to this site and started to critisize the walks of many here and elsewhere.
Now you may say that you are called to do this because scripture speaks to this, but I do not see this in your words. I see only one that stomps on others.
How come you don’t see this in the rude ones on here and point it out to them. I have experienced many of those..and i disagree withyou that i am rude I treat people how they treat me in all walks of life.
I do not know if this is your intention, but this is how you come across.
You say there should be no such thing as blind faith, but to know and follow Jesus ,blind faith is as important as the scriptures. Blind comes before faith, we are blind before we believe, once we believe Jesus is the light in which we are able to see.
Jesus also said we must be like little children if we want to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Children believe without seeing.
Children believe the simplicity of things.. and the bible is simplistic in its message..so simple a child can get it.yet adults don’t..that is the message and many so called Christians back this up every time they talk

Just as you believe you carry the truth , many here also carry the truth in Jesus.
I totally disagree with that.

I only speak, to say, that to witness to what you have learned in the word is good, but to call all others faith wrong simply because of your knowlage, is to stomp on those you have not even taken the time to hear or know.
Disagree totally again. If others ‘faith’ (for want of better word) is wrong as you say.. then there is totally nothing wrong in saying it. Jesus did it all the time, he knew the simple truth and those who were against him he let know..that was his and his apostles duty. As it is all true believers. If people find that offensive it is only because they see fault in their own ‘faith’ themselves.

There are alot of catch phrases in the christian community, understand the different language culltures. Also where each ones faith in Jesus may be. Then give all the benefit of time before you crush them.
It is you who keeps the term crush going.. that is your opinion.. fellow believers of truth would totally disagree with you about this.
As for ‘christian’ community’, that is again a matter of interpretation..what you would call a chrsitian according to what you perceive Christian, another wouldn’t. So to say to one person, ‘christians’ believe this or that. Means nothing if that person doesnt’ believe that is Christianity anyway.
Jesus is the witness of what we strive for in Him.

Mathew 12:18'' Here is my servant whom I have chosen,
my loved one in whome I delight.
I will endow him with my spirit
and he will proclaim justice to the gentiles.
19 He will not contend or cry out,
nor will his voice be heard in the streets.
20 The bruised reed he will not crush;
the smoldering wick he will not quench
untill judgement is made victorious.
21 In his name, the gentiles will find hope.''

We all are called to witness, you might consider that Jesus has something for you to learn as well,
before you crush others with your knowlage.
Again the crush accusation. Jesus must have crushed alot then. Again I totally disagree that ‘we are ALL called to witness’ I rarely see one witnessing truth, especially in the false church
There is more to the scriptures than just knowladge, there is a great understanding that is given in Jesus. I and others here will witness to this.
You would be heard a bit more, if you listened a bit more yourself.
I didn’t realise witnessing was a popularity quest, or to gain some points from humans.. People will hear me if God is in them..if they don’t god is not in them in the first place and they are simply not meant to know him nor ever will.
I know, been there myself.

And possible still are

Remember the great comandment, to love God with all your mind, heart,soul, and streangth!
And your neighbor as yourself!
Seems to me it involves more than just the mind.

Lots of things seem to you to be as you see them.. fortunately I go by reality and gods word, which tells a completely different story.. but I’m sure you will say that I’m crushing again.. Would hate to see waht you say about ‘christ when he turned the moneychangers tables over, or went off at the desciples continuously or worse still gave the Pharisees a pounding. He must have been the biggest crusher and worst witness ever.
Thankyou for reading this.
God bless, pickles

Churchianity is truly a sad place to be stuck in.

 

[GospelOnly]

the gospel is the Good News of salvation by Gods love and love alone thru Jesus Christ..............
whether be pentecostal, RC, Anglican, methodist,Lutheran they all have their flaws, we are ripping apart Jesus pray when He prayed for unity, its one things the leaders of denominations have been doing for centuries, good to see the flame has carried on. Two disciples ran up to Jesus and said a man down the road who doesn't follow us is casting out demons in your name, Anyone read Jesus response to that, for it should be the same as ours. Its one thing to debate scripture, its another to use the word of God to justify not edifying His bride- the church- His people He has called to be lights a blazing on a hilltop. If we cant show the world unity, no wonder lost people don't see Jesus in us.

Scripture does say to encourage the brethren daily.

God is love - not logos scripture- rhema scripture when applied with love,respect and dignity, logos interpretations is what the Pharisees were good at, it was their actions Jesus took them to task with, mercy, justice and love be it the lack of. With love

I'm so greatful my faith CHRISTIANITY, has NO denominations..

oh the confusion of so many gods with their many differening doctrines causing even more differing confusion and even more eternal death

 

[GospelOnly]

I think your confusing works of the Spirit, with a modern Theology that Pentecostals follow. I myself am not a cessationist. ..

Phil

Pentecostalism is no part of christianity anyway..so its nothing to do with theology anyway.

 

[GospelOnly]

I will leave you all with a warning from Jesus Himself... this is to all who maybe think they are Prophets miracle workers etc.

I Never Knew You

21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? prophesy in your name, and cast out demons'23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'


Did you notice, these are people who think they are doing the work of the Lord, yet what does Jesus call them??????

Good Post Phil

 

[phil36]

Pentecostalism is no part of christianity anyway..so its nothing to do with theology anyway.

I would disagree with you Gospelonly. Pentecostals, although I believe in error regarding having the need for a second Baptism are Christians. They are my brothers and sisters in Christ.

'Oneness Pentecostals', however, are not as they deny the Trinity, a fundamental belief regarding Christianity.

But Pentecostals on a whole are Christian. I can't see how they are not?

Phil

 

[GospelOnly]

Before one would engage in the discussion about the "what is the gospel," one must first know how the biblical theme of the Scripture works. For example, the main priority of the drama of the Bible is not about how will a person be saved from eternal hell and ****ation but rather the main focus of the drama is about GOD establishing his kingdom of earth. If we will try to put this perspective in engaging the very definition of the Gospel, the discussion would make a lot more sense

Exactly,
The whole point of the gospel message starts at the first promise in genesis 3 and carries on to the promises about the land of milk and honey, the PROMISED land.. The old testament is full of the message of this land and how it is the PROMISED land to be given later..

Ie. those who believe they are going to heaven are not part of that promise of the land on earth that is to be inherited,

Christ reinforced this main theme of the bible time and time again, Yet people miss it. christ preached constantly the promised land and living eternally on earth.

this is one of the major if not main point of the gospel message

As said in scripture..
the gospel is the things concerning christ and his coming kingdom on earth.

 

[GospelOnly]

I would disagree with you Gospelonly. Pentecostals, although I believe in error regarding having the need for a second Baptism are Christians. They are my brothers and sisters in Christ.

'Oneness Pentecostals', however, are not as they deny the Trinity, a fundamental belief regarding Christianity.

But Pentecostals on a whole are Christian. I can't see how they are not?

Phil

This is where page 3 4 5 in particular show my very point a 100%,

those who claim to be christians arguing about different doctrines and disagreeing vehemently then saying they are still all christians.. lol
This is laughable at best. Its insane.

Chrisitians do NOT disagree on any doctrine. And those who claim jesus is god.. are not chrisitan according to scripture..and it is only THEM who debate doctrines with other trinitarians and show to real chrsitians how confused they are on all doctrines.

It just gives true chrsiitans more faith that god is correct ..

one god (not 3) one faith (not many) one gospel (not thousands) as the so called trinitarian groups that only bind together to defend trinity and yet are poles apart on every other doctrine..

Very amusing though to watch from real christians I must say...

carry on with the show folks..

no wonder the world is so mucked up with religion and all the antirhistian cults.

 

[phil36]

This is where page 3 4 5 in particular show my very point a 100%,

those who claim to be christians arguing about different doctrines and disagreeing vehemently then saying they are still all christians.. lol
This is laughable at best. Its insane.

Chrisitians do NOT disagree on any doctrine. And those who claim jesus is god.. are not chrisitan according to scripture..and it is only THEM who debate doctrines with other trinitarians and show to real chrsitians how confused they are on all doctrines.

It just gives true chrsiitans more faith that god is correct ..

one god (not 3) one faith (not many) one gospel (not thousands) as the so called trinitarian groups that only bind together to defend trinity and yet are poles apart on every other doctrine..

Very amusing though to watch from real christians I must say...

carry on with the show folks..

no wonder the world is so mucked up with religion and all the antirhistian cults.

It is sad you take this view, this is a bible discussion board, where we all have our views. I cannot believe that you are foolish enough to believe that it is only the non - trinitarians who don't disagree, if you do then I am afraid your posts are mot worth reading.

There are plaety of people who call themselves Christians and are not, the bible says that there will be the 'wheat and tares'. satan is and will try his best to do anything to stop people believing. However, on here you will find a bible discussion, we may not agree on every single point as you have obviously and arrogantly shown.

There is only one true gospel and we all on here will agree that, even me and Mahogony will agree that . to believe on the name of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, that he came to redeem the lost that to do this He was crucified and by the power of the Holy Spirit rose again, and was taken back heaven where He rules glorified. Father, son and Holy Spirit.

No one disagrees with this except maybe for yourself, and those who call themselves Christians and are not.

There is definatly one God, yet three persons, not three Gods, but one God/Three separate persons, and not one God manifesting Himself differently.

One God - Three persons in total unity and harmony, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The different points we debate, are not taking away from Salvation, for we all we all proclaim the necessity of the Atonement and why the second person of the trinity is in complete obedience (Paul calls this the Faith of Christ) to the will of the Father. to save mankind, and restore creation to Himself.

Any how you can have your views, I wont agree with you.. does that mean you don't believe the gospel?

I think you will find we on here are a united front when it comes to the gospel message, with the exception of 2 or 3 I would say that includes you and I think you have failed to realise that this is a board for discussing the Scripture,and are walk not just agreeing with you!

Jesus Is Lord and Saviour.

Phil

 

[Consumed]

James 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?kjv

 

[Consumed]

James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
James 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

we are all brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus, all creation was made so for that purpose, the devil comes to kill steal and destroy, the accuser of the brethren....

 

[phil36]

Good points consumed, we are not to judge, but we are to rebuke those who are wrong. Anti Trinitarian is not Christian!!!

 

[Consumed]

Good points consumed, we are not to judge, but we are to rebuke those who are wrong. Anti Trinitarian is not Christian!!!

i do agree with you in that phil, its just how some like to take strips of flesh of others for not believing as another does and make then condemns them in the process, quiet sad actually, "puffed up with knowledge that it blinds them of themselves" its ok when people disagree, just attacking them over it is the judgmental part and using scripture to do it must really grieve the Father Son and Holy Spirit.

love you bro, you always have nuggets of gold in your views and thoughts, but best part is, God doesnt need us to defend Him, His big enough to do that Himself, just needs us all to be more Christ minded, love is what set Jesus' face like flint when He walked to the cross, He counted it all joy, if only we had that steadfast resolve to be the same

 

[pickles]

A good post phil, brings one to consider alot about how we choose to see. Verces how we are called to see.
God bless, pickles

 

[charisenexcelcis]

where is it about praying in tongues? Isn't your god able to understand your prayers in your own tongue?

Do you have an interpreter to translate what you are praying.. and if you need an interpreter how do you know your not praying to kill your family?

tongues was to spread the word around to different countries quickly, no need for that today whatsoever..

Gibberish was never what the bible mentions as Tongues

Tongues just means languages.. ie german, french, italian, etc.

"For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. What then? I shall pray with the spirit and I shall pray with the mind also. I shall sing with the spirit and I shall sing with the spirit and I shall sing with the mind also. Otherwise if you bless with the spirit only, how will th one who fills the place of the Ungifted say "Amen" at you giving of thanks, since he does not know what you are saying."

 

[GospelOnly]

It is sad you take this view, this is a bible discussion board, where we all have our views.
And it has become apparent that unless one agrees with the majority on a topic, the view is belittled instead of using scripture to back up your disagreement. A weak argument at best.

I cannot believe that you are foolish enough to believe that it is only the non - trinitarians who don't disagree, if you do then I am afraid your posts are mot worth reading.
Then resorting to name calling shows a lack of knowledge of the topic and an air of arrogance and not what ‘christendom’ calls ‘christian ethics’.
Perhaps if you do not feel you can learn anything from my posts as others do, then don’t read them.. I usually don’t read those posts that only have ‘the authors opinions’’ without scriptures. And reason why I rarely answer your posts too, So if you find my posts not worth reading, and the truth is not for you..feel free to use the ignore button or simply skip over my name as i skip over some who i know are only out to run the truth down and not in search of it.

There are plaety of people who call themselves Christians and are not,
Yes and they soon show their colours

the bible says that there will be the 'wheat and tares'. satan is and will try his best to do anything to stop people believing. However, on here you will find a bible discussion, we may not agree on every single point as you have obviously and arrogantly shown.
Again your opinion.. I have not arrogantly shown anything..I have shown scriptures to back up everything I’ve said against the unscriptural opinions I have read from certain folk on here. You will call it arrogant because it doesn’t match your beliefs..(another trick of the church to try bully the gullible) however I am sure you know I am not one of those gullible and am aware of all the tactics used by those brainwashed by the false churches.

There is only one true gospel and we all on here will agree that, even me and Mahogony will agree that

. to believe on the name of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, that he came to redeem the lost that to do this He was crucified and by the power of the Holy Spirit rose again, and was taken back heaven where He rules glorified. Father, son and Holy Spirit.
Well now you are talking for others, and from what I have read, what you wrote above is NOT at all what ‘everyone’ believes on here or in the streets for that matter. I have been on many forums for years and a lot of the thoughts on here are very different than I have encountered and some very worrying to say the least. But as to what you CLAIM everyone here believes on the TRUE GOSPEL, this thread itself shows the differences on what that word itself means.. so it is very very controversial what that means..hence the need for the topic started.. If it was a given, what people thought the gospel was,,there wouldn’t be a thread on the topic at all.
I have shown what the BIBLE says about the topic..if YOU disagree with that.. then that is between you and my god.. i just happen to believe the bible version of it..and not your version. Like i said.. i go by scripture not mans opinion.

No one disagrees with this except maybe for yourself, and those who call themselves Christians and are not.
Again as stated above.. this is just your opinion which the thread shows is totally incorrect. Opinion means zippo to God nor myself.

There is definatly one God, yet three persons, not three Gods, but one God/Three separate persons, and not one God manifesting Himself differently.

One God - Three persons in total unity and harmony, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.


Yeah well half the world disagrees with that..as is shown by the numbers of ‘religions’ that don’t agree with your belief system. Andjust because you and a few others in a forum that are in no way the majority of thought on the nature of jesus and nature of god, say they are correct...doesn’t mean they are... there is half a population out there that arnt in the forum that disagree with you and them. Lets not get carried away while trying to get numbers together to persecute true believers, If you really think that worries me think again.. Jesus had thousands of people there in person that disagreed with his belief.. so me dealing with a few that claim Christianity falsely is hardly even in the same league as what Christ had to deal with first hand. Do you really think cyber’christians’ worry me and destroy the faith that the TRUE god has given me and not given others.

The different points we debate, are not taking away from Salvation, for we all we all proclaim the necessity of the Atonement and why the second person of the trinity is in complete obedience (Paul calls this the Faith of Christ) to the will of the Father. to save mankind, and restore creation to Himself.

Any how you can have your views, I wont agree with you.. does that mean you don't believe the gospel?
Not at all..it means you don’t

I think you will find we on here are a united front when it comes to the gospel message, with the exception of 2 or 3 I would say that includes you and I think you have failed to realise that this is a board for discussing the Scripture,and are walk not just agreeing with you!
Again the threats and bullying form clearly shows, when so called Christians are challenged by SCRIPTURE, that they clearly cannot see, because God has not allowed them to because of their lack of faith and stubbornness..which again is biblical.
Also you again speak for others..as I have many who mail me from here that see the truth in what I say and the untruth in a few others that you must be claiming agree with you. I see the usual unchristianly thing though in trying to round up those who don’t agree and run them out of town posse wild wild west style. When you cannot use scripture to do your debating and just bully tactics led by fear.. so typically new age church of you.
Here is a tip..ignore me if you don’t believe scriptures...and let those who do believe them and are interested in seeing the other side to the posts that are totally unbiblical..there are many more than you CLAIM.. (which is all im seeing in your post really.. CLAIMS, ASSUMPTIONS, and the usual threats of churchianity. Anyone with god in their hearts will read any of my posts for the accuracy of scripture and never opinion, and that i have never resorted to unchristianly name calling to try and instill some kind of demifear in someone.. Sorry.. Like jesus i can take far more than anyone around today can dish out.. sand off the shoes.

 

[GospelOnly]

Good points consumed, we are not to judge, but we are to rebuke those who are wrong. Anti Trinitarian is not Christian!!!

According to Trinitarians..
But according to Christians trinitarians are not chirsitan ..

works both ways.. strange though.. many trinitarians do say that anti trinitarians are infact christians.. I guess you are the lawgiver on that topic too..

I know many many trinitarians..and am good friends with them, and not one would claim such a thing that i or anyone who believes as i do..are not christian, but like i said..i guess what you claim.must be. too bad you disagree with millions of trinitarians on your claims.

and yes judging the doctrines is correct..and i do..and i rebuke those who are against them..

a difference from what i do in rebuking and yourself is.. you get personal with it like its your laws..not gods.. i rebuke and leave it to god.. i dont care who is or isnt trinitarian..that is their free will to decide..and god gave that... have that out with god too while your coaching him in his word.

 

[Consumed]

whether one prays in tongues or not is ok, dont judge on that or even rebuke for if one dismisses it outright one could be dismissing the work of the Holy Spirit, just respect that one does and one doesnt, why? i wouldnt dare to question that in itself, God is God, we are to work out our own salvation in fear and trembling, not try and work out everyone elses, it is written

 

[GospelOnly]

whether one prays in tongues or not is ok, dont judge on that or even rebuke for if one dismisses it outright one could be dismissing the work of the Holy Spirit, just respect that one does and one doesnt, why? i wouldnt dare to question that in itself, God is God, we are to work out our own salvation in fear and trembling, not try and work out everyone elses, it is written

what has praying in tongues got to do with the gospel. Absolutely nothing.

But seeing you mentioned it, You can't sit on the fence on topics and say jesus had different beliefs on it depending on who he was talking to. If one believes in talking in tongues as gibberish, that is not of god, and anything not of god is against god.

Tongues just means languages..there is no need for that today nor has there been for many centuries. anyone who claims they talk in tongues can be very easily proven a liar. its very simple to do, yet they will never take the challenge because they know they simply cannot talk in tongues,

People who claim this just like to make out they have a gift that others don't..therefore puffing themselves up above others.. God is clear about talking things that are not understandable. Talking in tongues back in the apostles day were understandable..unlike the gibberish claimed as 'talking in tongues today'

If you think its ok for those to say they can do something miraculous as talking in tongues was, then you are saying god is a liar.so it is extremely important to know htat these who claim such things are not of god. and to back them up is not trusting in gods word.