Why did Jesus ask the Father to forgive them?
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Must point out that all are accountable and without excuse in the end. All have a choice to make.
Romans 1
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Romans 1
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
If they had known what would have hppened, and who Jesus really was/is they would not have crucified and we would be without a scrifice. They thoght He was a man and his death would be the end, but their actions continued God's plan to provide salvation to all and a direct path to God Himself (through our Mediator) without the need of temple, Pharisees, and such.
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I would say they knew "of" God, but did not "know" Him. Also, they did not know they were crucifying the Son of God (God), or that it had been foretold by prophets exactly how He would die. They still expected a Messiah to come as the spear was thrust in Jesus' side....and do to this day. But their Messiah is not "coming" He is "coming back!"
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I disagree. Sin is the transgression of the law. The Bible gives examples of sinning without knowing during the giving of the law. Sin does not depend on willfulness or ignorance. Eve was decieved (ignorance) but Adam chose to eat of the forbidden fruit (willingness) and both were punished.
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Not in the salvational sense spoken of in...
Matthew 7
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jesus said they did not.
...But obviously they were aware that they were brutally murdering someone.
Matthew 7
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jesus said they did not.
...But obviously they were aware that they were brutally murdering someone.
“I disagree. Sin is the transgression of the law.”
yes sin is transgression of the law this is what I’m saying
“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”
James 4:17
you have to know what your doing is wrong or it isn’t taken into account against you in other words what I’m saying is this answers why he forgave them
“Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.”
Luke 23:34 KJV
“ father forgive them because they do t know what they are doing “
it’s a consistent principle of the gospel
You have to know first and then it is transgression if you don’t know it’s not the same
“And that servant, which knew his Lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.
For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
Luke 12:47-48 KJV
The difference is t that one did wrong and the other didn’t it is that one knows what they are doing is sin they know it’s against his Will d then do it
the other doesn’t know how will and does the same but it is not taken o to account equally one is willful rebellion the other is ignorance
it’s the difference in two children one had been told not to write on the wall , the other has never been told don’t write on the wall
if the one has been told writes on the wall he’s done it willfully knowing the rule that’s transgression
if the one who has never been told not to write on the wall does , it is not just to punish them for transgression
willful sin is one thing
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”
Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV
You have to first hear the way in order to violate it ignorance isn’t something God punishes people for willful sin is
when you know your Accountability goes up any parent understands you have to first teach a child what to do and not do before you have any rightful place punishing the child. To not first inform them and then Hold the accountable isnt just and isnt how God works.
under Moses law I’d agree son didn’t even need to be informed but the gospel is not the law the gospel is about faith and faith requires the knowledge of Christ
yes sin is transgression of the law this is what I’m saying
“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”
James 4:17
you have to know what your doing is wrong or it isn’t taken into account against you in other words what I’m saying is this answers why he forgave them
“Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.”
Luke 23:34 KJV
“ father forgive them because they do t know what they are doing “
it’s a consistent principle of the gospel
You have to know first and then it is transgression if you don’t know it’s not the same
“And that servant, which knew his Lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.
For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
Luke 12:47-48 KJV
The difference is t that one did wrong and the other didn’t it is that one knows what they are doing is sin they know it’s against his Will d then do it
the other doesn’t know how will and does the same but it is not taken o to account equally one is willful rebellion the other is ignorance
it’s the difference in two children one had been told not to write on the wall , the other has never been told don’t write on the wall
if the one has been told writes on the wall he’s done it willfully knowing the rule that’s transgression
if the one who has never been told not to write on the wall does , it is not just to punish them for transgression
willful sin is one thing
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”
Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV
You have to first hear the way in order to violate it ignorance isn’t something God punishes people for willful sin is
when you know your Accountability goes up any parent understands you have to first teach a child what to do and not do before you have any rightful place punishing the child. To not first inform them and then Hold the accountable isnt just and isnt how God works.
under Moses law I’d agree son didn’t even need to be informed but the gospel is not the law the gospel is about faith and faith requires the knowledge of Christ
had any of the leaders applied Isaiah 53, which is rather amazing we don't see Jesus using that Chapter for their understanding, but rather allowed their ignorance to rule them. and had they realized everything else they were witnessing was also prophesied and pointed towards the Messiah. they would have never Crucified Him. but clearly, God had blinded them concerning Isaiah 53 to believe the Messiah would come like we know He is to Come and Rule the Nations, for His Will to be done. and upon the Cross, we see the Mercy of God being displayed.
God needed them to reject Him. So He had Mercy upon them for fulfilling that purpose. He forgave them.
God needed them to reject Him. So He had Mercy upon them for fulfilling that purpose. He forgave them.
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If they had known and therefore would not have crucified Jesus, and that's a pretty big IF I should just mention for also by the game of IF they even knew, they may have still done it anyways; but then did they believe what they were doing was right, or were they aware that at the least of it they were putting an innocent man to death?