Why did the Lord create Israel?

[Blik]

Exodus 34:10 Look, I am now making a covenant: I shall work such wonders at the head of your whole people as have never been worked in any other country or nation, and all the people around you will see what Yahweh can do, for what I shall do through you will be awe-inspiring.

The Lord had gentiles in mind when He created Israel.

 

[Dino246]

God's intent was to redeem the peoples of the earth to Himself through the Messiah Jesus, Who would come through Israel.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

All that has ever happened was on the Holy Mind of the Lord. Could there be any other way? The Lord has written Scrolls in Heaven . . . and even Jesus Himself was obedient to them.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Lord had gentiles in mind when He created Israel

Of course He did. He had humanity in mind. But Israel failed to do its part:

ROMANS 9: THE PRIVILEGES GIVEN TO ISRAEL
1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: [by ancestry, since Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin]
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise [believers] are counted for the seed.

All believers (Jews and Gentiles) are "children of Abraham" in that they exercise the same faith as did Abraham, and are justified by grace through faith. But that does not nullify God's promise to Abraham that the twelve tribes descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob would inherit the land of Israel (which can only happen after the Second Coming of Christ).

Christ Himself would be a Hebrew of the Hebrews, of the tribe of Judah, and in the line of David.

 

[Truth7t7]

All that has ever happened was on the Holy Mind of the Lord. Could there be any other way? The Lord has written Scrolls in Heaven . . . and even Jesus Himself was obedient to them.

Scrolls written in heaven by the Lord, even Jesus was obedient to?

Jesus Christ is Lord of the Old Testament

 

[Truth7t7]

Of course He did. He had humanity in mind. But Israel failed to do its part:

ROMANS 9: THE PRIVILEGES GIVEN TO ISRAEL
1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: [by ancestry, since Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin]
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise [believers] are counted for the seed.

All believers (Jews and Gentiles) are "children of Abraham" in that they exercise the same faith as did Abraham, and are justified by grace through faith. But that does not nullify God's promise to Abraham that the twelve tribes descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob would inherit the land of Israel (which can only happen after the Second Coming of Christ).

Christ Himself would be a Hebrew of the Hebrews, of the tribe of Judah, and in the line of David.

Where in the bible does it show, ethnic Israel (Jews) inherit land after the second coming?

My bible teaches Jesus Returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving the heavens and earth by his fire

Then comes a New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, for eternity

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

But Israel failed to do its part

Sort of. The Eternal Plan was for Israel to fail . . . they were used as an example. They were and still are, being used by God for a Holy Purpose, and that Purpose ultimately points to the incredible display of His Power. It is remarkably Powerful to change the Hearts of perhaps millions of people all at once to finally Believe and then Turn to Him.

Sorry for interrupting. Exit stage left . . .

 

[JaumeJ]

The children of Israel, while they were in the wilderness, were disobedient, and by their disobedience, salvation was gained by the nations.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God had two reasons

1. give a savior to the world
2. show the world the blessings one get when they place their faith in God.

the first was fulfilled

the second will also be fulfilled according to prophecy.

Ezekiel 36:22–28 (NKJV): Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23 And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Where in the bible does it show, ethnic Israel (Jews) inherit land after the second coming?

Read the entire prophecy of Ezekiel, and then read and study chapter 48. Every tribe will occupy its designated portion of the land in Greater Israel.

 

[Truth7t7]

Read the entire prophecy of Ezekiel, and then read and study chapter 48. Every tribe will occupy its designated portion of the land in Greater Israel.

The Land Seen In Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 Is In The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

You will closely note Ezekiel 47:12 & Revelation 22:1-2 below, same river coming from the throne, same tree of life, same fruit every month, same leaves of the tree for healing/medicine

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
13 Thus saith the Lord God; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Land Seen In Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 Is In The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

You will closely note Ezekiel 47:12 & Revelation 22:1-2 below, same river coming from the throne, same tree of life, same fruit every month, same leaves of the tree for healing/medicine

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
13 Thus saith the Lord God; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

start back at chapter 36.

And lets not forget how that prophecy ends with Chapter 39:

21 “I will set My glory among the nations; all the nations shall see My judgment which I have executed, and My hand which I have laid on them. 22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day forward. 23 The Gentiles shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity; because they were unfaithful to Me, therefore I hid My face from them. I gave them into the hand of their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions I have dealt with them, and hidden My face from them.” ’

25 “Therefore thus says the Lord God: ‘Now I will bring back the captives of Jacob, and have mercy on the whole house of Israel; and I will be jealous for My holy name— 26 after they have borne their shame, and all their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, when they dwelt safely in their own land and no one made them afraid. 27 When I have brought them back from the peoples and gathered them out of their enemies’ lands, and I am hallowed in them in the sight of many nations, 28 then they shall know that I am the Lord their God, who sent them into captivity among the nations, but also brought them back to their land, and left none of them [k]captive any longer. 29 And I will not hide My face from them anymore; for I shall have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel,’ says the Lord God.”

 

[Truth7t7]

start back at chapter 36.

And lets not forget how that prophecy ends with Chapter 39:

21 “I will set My glory among the nations; all the nations shall see My judgment which I have executed, and My hand which I have laid on them. 22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day forward. 23 The Gentiles shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity; because they were unfaithful to Me, therefore I hid My face from them. I gave them into the hand of their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions I have dealt with them, and hidden My face from them.” ’

25 “Therefore thus says the Lord God: ‘Now I will bring back the captives of Jacob, and have mercy on the whole house of Israel; and I will be jealous for My holy name— 26 after they have borne their shame, and all their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, when they dwelt safely in their own land and no one made them afraid. 27 When I have brought them back from the peoples and gathered them out of their enemies’ lands, and I am hallowed in them in the sight of many nations, 28 then they shall know that I am the Lord their God, who sent them into captivity among the nations, but also brought them back to their land, and left none of them [k]captive any longer. 29 And I will not hide My face from them anymore; for I shall have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel,’ says the Lord God.”

Ezekiel Chapter 39 is a prophecy on how the Lord would deliver and return Israel from the 70 year Babylonian Captivity

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is a vision of the temple dimensions and service, and Israel returning to Jerusalem and building the 2nd Zerubbabel temple built in 536BC, and destroyed by the Roman's in 70AD

Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 represents the Eternal kingdom, in the New Heaven and Earth, as shown, the river and tree of life are present

Ezekiel 39:28KJV
28 Then shall they know that I am the Lord their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ezekiel Chapter 39 is a prophecy on how the Lord would deliver and return Israel from the 70 year Babylonian Captivity

Actually no. What was prophesied never occurred. Israel has never lived in peace. and even then she was not fully restored. Many people still lived outside the country.

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is a vision of the temple dimensions and service, and Israel returning to Jerusalem and building the 2nd Zerubbabel temple built in 536BC, and destroyed by the Roman's in 70AD

Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 represents the Eternal kingdom, in the New Heaven and Earth, as shown, the river and tree of life are present

Ezekiel 39:28KJV
28 Then shall they know that I am the Lord their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

read 39. Many were left in captivity, Even in Jesus day. Many lived outside the country (paul was not from Israel proper)
So your view that this is babylon is in error

 

[Truth7t7]

Actually no. What was prophesied never occurred. Israel has never lived in peace. and even then she was not fully restored. Many people still lived outside the country.




read 39. Many were left in captivity, Even in Jesus day. Many lived outside the country (paul was not from Israel proper)
So your view that this is babylon is in error

We Will Disagree

Ezekiel 40-46 represents Israel returning from the 70 year Babylonian Captivity, and building the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple in 536BC

As seen in Ezekiel 40:1-4 below, Ezekiel was in the 25th year of the Babylonian Captivity, and he was instructed to show the vision to the house of Israel (In The Captivity) not some future generation 2500+ years and waiting

Ezekiel 40:1-4KJV
1 In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the Lord was upon me, and brought me thither.
2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.
3 And he brought me thither, and, behold, there was a man, whose appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate.
4 And the man said unto me, Son of man, behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears, and set thine heart upon all that I shall shew thee; for to the intent that I might shew them unto thee art thou brought hither: declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel.

Ezekiel was instructed to let Israel (In The Captivity) measure the pattern to build the temple, he wrote the laws and ordinances in their sight, not some future generation as you falsely believe and teach.

Ezekiel 43:10-11KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We Will Disagree

Ezekiel 40-46 represents Israel returning from the 70 year Babylonian Captivity, and building the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple in 536BC

As seen in Ezekiel 40:1-4 below, Ezekiel was in the 25th year of the Babylonian Captivity, and he was instructed to show the vision to the house of Israel (In The Captivity)

Ezekiel 40:1-4KJV
1 In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the Lord was upon me, and brought me thither.
2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.
3 And he brought me thither, and, behold, there was a man, whose appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate.
4 And the man said unto me, Son of man, behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears, and set thine heart upon all that I shall shew thee; for to the intent that I might shew them unto thee art thou brought hither: declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel.

Ezekiel was instructed to let Israel (In The Captivity) measure the pattern to build the temple, he wrote the laws and ordinances in their sight, not some future generation as you falsely believe and teach.

Ezekiel 43:10-11KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

Once again, I am not talking about chapters 40 plus, we have not got chapters 33 and 39 settled yet.

i am talking about chapters 36 and 39.

 

[Truth7t7]

Once again, I am not talking about chapters 40 plus, we have not got chapters 33 and 39 settled yet.

i am talking about chapters 36 and 39.

There is no need to settle Ezekiel Chapters 36-39, because Chapters 40-48 doesn't represent a future Millennial Temple on this earth

There is no future Millennial Temple Seen In Isaiah Chapters 40-48, that you are desperate to create and claim

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 Represents the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built in 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity

Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 Represents the Eternal Kingdom in the New Heaven and Earth, where the river and tree of life are present

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lol @Truth7t7 i stead of giving me a red x, prove me wrong

prove where Isreal was completely restored after Babylon, prove where she repented and accepted the truth of God, prove where all Jews were in their land and ma y were not still scatterd

or your red x is meaningless

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is no need to settle Ezekiel Chapters 36-39, because Chapters 40-48 doesn't represent a Millennial Temple

There is no future Millennial Temple Seen In Isaiah Chapters 40-48, that you are desperate to create and claim

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 Represents the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built in 536BC

Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 Represents the Eternal kingdom, where the river and tree of life is present

Oh yes there is a need to discuss 33 - 39, I never mentioned chapter 40 or what temple it was

you claimed the rest was whenisreal was restoredafter Babylon, which is wrong.

what temple is mentioned in 40 and above has no bearing,

 

[Truth7t7]

Oh yes there is a need to discuss 33 - 39, I never mentioned chapter 40 or what temple it was

you claimed the rest was whenisreal was restoredafter Babylon, which is wrong.

what temple is mentioned in 40 and above has no bearing,

Chapters 40-48 is the outcome of Ezekiel Chapters 36-39, it has a direct relationship, either way you lose in your attempt to create a future Millennial Temple On This Earth

The argument rests in interpretation of Ezekiel Chapters 40-48, it's that simple

There is no future Millennial Temple Seen In Isaiah Chapters 40-48, that you are desperate to create and claim

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 Represents the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built in 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity

Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 Represents the Eternal Kingdom in the New Heaven and Earth, where the river and tree of life are present