Why did the Most High God create sin?

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Live4Him

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He didn't.

He created beings perfect or good, whether angelic or human, and gave them the ability to make free will choices.

Sin was introduced into this creation when Satan willfully chose to rebel against God.

I believe that we see this here in what God said about this "cherub" or angelic being:

Ezekiel chapter 28

[13] Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
[14] Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
[15] Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
[16] By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
[17] Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

This "cherub" or angelic being was "perfect in its ways from the day that it was created, TILL INIQUITY WAS FOUND IN IT".

Apparently, it "sinned" when its "heart was lifted up because of its beauty" or because of PRIDE.

And so it goes until today...
 

brighthouse98

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Adam did that,the question you might ask is why did he allow sin to be created?? He did know what would happen after all. The reason I believe is because God himself had a need to become needed by others. For what man or women created does not have a need to be needed by someone else? A baby has that need at birth! Just something to consider is all.
 
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Are people here denying that God created everything?
 

Magenta

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Are people here denying that God created everything?
God allowed for the potential of sin. He did not create it. Sin is a lack of goodness, not a material thing.

Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also
death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.
Romans 5:12
 

Robo36

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The issue for many, (including me), is the "all knowing" God. An issue I personally have put behind me because it's above my understanding and it gets in the way of my faith. I have faith that my Lord will give me that understanding in a future time if I remain loyal to him, which I promise. Understanding by scripture much invited. Did God know even before he created Satan what his spiritual mental evolution would be?
 
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Live4Him

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Are people here denying that God created everything?
As we've already seen in relation to the cherub that sinned, he was created perfect (Ezek. 28:15).

When it comes to man and the rest of creation, it was created "very good" (Gen. 1:31).

Sin began in the angelic realm:

"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil." (I John 3:8)

It then entered into the human realm via Adam's willful disobedience:

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" (Rom. 5:12)
 

Pilgrimshope

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Are people here denying that God created everything?
No they are explaining the answer to your question God created everything and it was very good

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1, 27,

man was given free will and dominion on earth and then man was given a choice they were blessed and placed in Eden with God and thier informed will

“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:

for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the very first mention of sin in scripture is after they have transgressed that commandment begin is what brought sin into creation and brought death upon mankind and has thier first child the one created of the man and woman the first sinners

It was birthed here

“And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It has to do with knowledge and it seeks to destroy us

“And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

mans struggle began with sin to do good or evil is the question sin raises in us, Gods word says do good and you will live , if not sin is crouching and ready to have you , you must overcome


God created “ everything “ but everything then was changed by Satans deception and mans dominion which brought sin and death to Man

both good and evil come from the beginning source of God in this tour correct , but also in the beginning there was a perfect order to everything man was in Gods image and likeness and ruled over all The earth in the beginning , man wasn’t doomed to die , they were present in Eden with God himself in the beginning but then mans dominion ran everything off course and all
The evil came into being through man whom God created


We are the reason sin came to be an issue God made us free from it and earned us not too partake of it . We are in fact the reason for all the violence sin and death all The wickedness in creation is because Satan deceived us and we followed

“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7, 12-13‬ ‭


all things in existence comes from Gods creation both good and evil , this does not make it his will evil is not Gods will or his creation , it is a perversion and distortion of his creation that Satan caused us to work out God made everything good and we made everything evil by following the devils word

the gospel is about fixing all
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Live4Him

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The issue for many, (including me), is the "all knowing" God. An issue I personally have put behind me because it's above my understanding and it gets in the way of my faith. I have faith that my Lord will give me that understanding in a future time if I remain loyal to him, which I promise. Understanding by scripture much invited. Did God know even before he created Satan what his spiritual mental evolution would be?
Please consider the following:

I Peter chapter 1

[18] Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
[19] But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
[20] Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
[21] Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Jesus Christ was "foreordained before the foundation of the world" to be "the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29) or a sacrificial "lamb without blemish and without spot".

This clearly indicates that God had foreknowledge that both angels and men would ultimately sin, and he had the remedy set in place for mankind's sin (there is no redemption offered for fallen angels) before man (or this world) had ever been created.
 

Magenta

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When it comes to man and the rest of creation, it was created "very good" (Gen. 1:31).
God pronounced creation as "good" at every step until Eve
was made, at which point He pronounced it "very good." :D
 
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Live4Him

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God pronounced creation as "good" at every step until Eve
was made, at which point He pronounced it "very good." :D
Apparently, both Adam and Eve were created on the same day (Gen. 1:26-31).

As to what time of day Adam was created, it was probably late afternoon or slightly before "eve".

:p
 

Gideon300

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Are people here denying that God created everything?
Sin is not a "thing". God created us with the ability to think, but He does not give us our thoughts. We produce them. It is possible for evil spirits to plant thoughts in our minds. God does not work that way. God does not create sin. We have the capacity to sin because God gave us free will. There is a world of difference.
 

Gideon300

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Apparently, both Adam and Eve were created on the same day (Gen. 1:26-31).

As to what time of day Adam was created, it was probably late afternoon or slightly before "eve".

:p
Don't forget that God removed a part of Adam to form Eve. A man who hates his wife hates himself (Ephesians 5:29)
 

Blik

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Are people here denying that God created everything?
Scripture tells us God did create evil.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”

When God created our earth, there had to be an up in order to have a down. There had to be evil in order to have good.

Evil was contained until the disobedience of Adam and Eve. As soon as it was let loose, the Lord gave a plan so that it would not result in our death.
 

Magenta

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Scripture tells us God did create evil.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”

When God created our earth, there had to be an up in order to have a down. There had to be evil in order to have good.

Evil was contained until the disobedience of Adam and Eve. As soon as it was let loose, the Lord gave a plan so that it would not result in our death.
God is eternally self existent and has always been good with no evil in Him.

Your view is inherently wrong because you are essentially saying God's goodness cannot exist without evil.

Also, the proper meaning of the word evil in those verses you gave have
been shown to you before but you choose to ignore proper exegesis.
 

CS1

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Are people here denying that God created everything?
LOL God did not create Sin, God is Holy and cannot be a part of sin or sinning.

The idea that God created everything is in the context of Gen chapter 1 -3 God created everything GOOD!. Why because the very nature of God is GOOD.

God entrusted to man and angels with free will to do what is GOOD by the very example that God Himself has displayed.

The atheistic argument that God created sin because " God created everything right? " false narrative is from a perverted mindset.

No one is denying God created everything IN context to what is given from GENesis chapter 1 through 3 GOD made it GOOD.