Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?

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ewq1938

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If the Bible is silent then you should also be silent. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus isn't suitable to preach eternal torment like you are doing. The passage doesn't support eternal torment or it would say so.

He doesn't seem to understand difference between and lake of fire. Not surprising.
 

rayzor

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This is from their translation:Isaiah 66:24
24 “And they will go out and look on the carcasses of the men who rebelled against me;For the worms on them will not die,And their fire will not be extinguished,+And they will become something repulsive to all people.”*
 

ewq1938

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The devil and his angels , the false prophet who is a human and the unbelievers who will also have their part in the lake of fire will be tormented day and night forever. You are ignoring some verses again.

The verse only says devil will be tormented forever not anyone else and that is understood as a figure of speech because fire is spoken of elsewhere in the bible as being eternal but that which was burned did not also burn forever.
 

rayzor

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hell is mean and cruel and wrong but it is in the word
 

ewq1938

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"But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away." Psalms 37:20
 

ewq1938

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Psalms 145:20 The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.

The verb above is in the Hiphil tense:
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BDB Definition:
1) to destroy, exterminate, be destroyed, be exterminated
1a) (Niphal)
1a1) to be annihilated, be exterminated
1a2) to be destroyed, be devastated
1b) (Hiphil)
1b1) to annihilate, exterminate
1b2) to destroy
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root
Same Word by TWOT Number: 2406
 

ewq1938

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hell is mean and cruel and wrong but it is in the word
Hell is not mean or cruel. God is a just God and his punishments are just. He isn't cruel or mean. The lake of fire completely burns up and destroys what is thrown into it.

The punishment for sin is death (Romans 6:23), which is also called the second death (Rev 20, 21), and that judgement/decision (also called damnation) is written to be eternal/everlasting (Mark 3:29, Hebrews 6:2).


Psalms 92:7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:


Some teach that God will not do as he says.


Psalms 37:16 A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked.
Psalms 37:17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the LORD upholdeth the righteous.
Psalms 37:18 The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
Psalms 37:19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
Psalms 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Do they perish, consumed away in smoke or do they live forever in torture?? Scripture is clear!
 

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No, I don't agree. Why? Answer this question.
Do you believe God when he tells you he is Sovereign over his creation? Do you believe God when he tells you all things are predestined, predetermined, according to his will?
What do you think of the import of that message in Matthew 6 that includes this statement: Thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven?

Do you imagine it possible that God answers for you, "Yes", to all my questions, per his word, and then says, but not in this case. Or not in that case. Pick whatever case, exception, you want.

All things happen according to God's will. We know this because he tells us so.
Therefore, one has to remember his Book of Eternal Life, aka/ The Lamb's Book of Eternal Life.
Names of all who would be called to be saved, would be saved, by God.
Before he created the world. Think about that for a minute.
God knew the names of those whom he'd save before there was any need for humans to be saved. Because the world wherein the Eden incident occurred had not been created yet.

All things happen according to God's will. By creating The Elect of God, as God did, those names in the book are his. As Jesus told you, no one comes to him but the father God calls them.
If you have one factored absolute that is God's will in action, then the alternate absolute is that by choosing whom he'd save before the world, all others not saved were by his choice too. Simply because they were not those named in his book of eternal life.

And that is what is meant by those whom God means not to perish. And so, they do not.
You're saying that God has predestined who will be saved and who will not be saved. Taking what you said and then cross-referencing it with 2 Peter 3:9, that would either mean God pre-destined people to perish while at the same time not wanting them to perish or that no one perishes at all.

Unfortunately your narrative creates numerous Biblical contradictions. For one, if God doesn't want anyone to perish yet also predestines people to perish then that would mean He wants them to perish. That isn't sound reasoning and contracts 2 Peter 3:9.

For two, the possibility of perishing in hell is real. John 3:16 says that those who do not believe in God's Son will perish.

God desires a particular outcome with humanity, but He is not negating our free will to repent by coming to belief in His Son.
 

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You're saying that God has predestined who will be saved and who will not be saved. Taking what you said and then cross-referencing it with 2 Peter 3:9, that would either mean God pre-destined people to perish while at the same time not wanting them to perish or that no one perishes at all.

Unfortunately your narrative creates numerous Biblical contradictions. For one, if God doesn't want anyone to perish yet also predestines people to perish then that would mean He wants them to perish. That isn't sound reasoning and contracts 2 Peter 3:9.

For two, the possibility of perishing in hell is real. John 3:16 says that those who do not believe in God's Son will perish.

God desires a particular outcome with humanity, but He is not negating our free will to repent by coming to belief in His Son.
I think you misunderstand that passage in 2nd Peter.
It's talking about the second coming, not salvation.

2 Peter 3:1-9––“This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, ‘Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.’ For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly."

Adding this: Psalm 33:11 The counsel of the LORD stands forever, the purposes of His heart to all generations. But the plans of the LORD stand firm forever, the purposes of his heart through all generations. But the LORD’s plans stand firm forever; his intentions can never be shaken.
 

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rayzor

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Wrong?Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:
 

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For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
 

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The Hebrew word for “fire” is esh. It is spelled with the Hebrew letters, aleph and sheen. Aleph means an ox and denotes strength. Sheen means teeth and denotes consuming or devouring. Thus, “fire” literally means a strong devourer. Hence, our God is a consuming fire (Deut. 4:24; Heb. 12:29).
 

rayzor

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well seen & shin is crown is this case:in the abstact [yould is hand ][seen is a crown ]Resh is a head and [olive lawmead] = el israel is the crown of god.[In the literal sense it means to contend with god] this is what seen looks like W
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יִשְׂרָאֵל yiśrā'ēl
 

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Rev 20:14
  1. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.A trinity of evil
  2. death
  3. hell
  4. lake of fire
 

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The sinners in Zion are afraid; trembling hath surprised the hypocrites: Who among us shall dwell with the consuming fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting flames?