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#1 I agree with you people force scripture to to fit their beliefs instead of forming their beliefs to scripture.
#2 Although I believe we should change the word, and this is really a separate subject the verse in Revelation saying to not add or subtract from this book of prophecy is referring specifically to the book of Revelation, and not to the Bible as a whole which had not yet been compiled.
#2 Although I believe we should change the word, and this is really a separate subject the verse in Revelation saying to not add or subtract from this book of prophecy is referring specifically to the book of Revelation, and not to the Bible as a whole which had not yet been compiled.
Are you sure Scripture is always correct? We had this discussion recently on this website, I know, but these two Scriptures seem to me to contradict each other:
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Galatians 5:14 NKJV
34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” Matthew 22:34-40 NKJV
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Galatians 5:14 NKJV
34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” Matthew 22:34-40 NKJV
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From an outsider's standpoint, mostly because there's no other way to talk to Christians.
The Bible has a long, heavy history as a prooftext and Christians seem to disparage debate if it doesn't relate directly to verses. There was a period in which well-respected Christian theologians referred at least as often to natural theology as they did to the scriptures, but these days, for a variety of reasons, that's unpopular. It's either a discussion of the pertinent verses or its not discussion at all.
This is a valid stance for people of the faith, but it's inconvenient for people who don't believe as you do. Still, however, they may try to speak your language. Nine times out of ten, though, if a person insists on reinterpreting the Bible, they're not interested in reinterpreting the Bible because they don't believe in its authority - they want to convince you of their underlying argument. They're just speaking Christianese for the sake of argument.
As an example, people will argue the verses in the Bible concerning homosexuality not because they have an academic interest in those verses, but because they've got a personal interest but know that every discussion will come back to those prooftexts and those prooftexts alone. Might as well get on with it.
The Bible has a long, heavy history as a prooftext and Christians seem to disparage debate if it doesn't relate directly to verses. There was a period in which well-respected Christian theologians referred at least as often to natural theology as they did to the scriptures, but these days, for a variety of reasons, that's unpopular. It's either a discussion of the pertinent verses or its not discussion at all.
This is a valid stance for people of the faith, but it's inconvenient for people who don't believe as you do. Still, however, they may try to speak your language. Nine times out of ten, though, if a person insists on reinterpreting the Bible, they're not interested in reinterpreting the Bible because they don't believe in its authority - they want to convince you of their underlying argument. They're just speaking Christianese for the sake of argument.
As an example, people will argue the verses in the Bible concerning homosexuality not because they have an academic interest in those verses, but because they've got a personal interest but know that every discussion will come back to those prooftexts and those prooftexts alone. Might as well get on with it.
!!!!!!Law is fulfilled in one word "EVEN IN THIS" you shall love your neighbour as yourself. my thoughts on this is that the Galatians knew the commandment of the new covenant to Love the Lord your God with all your heart & all your soul & all your mind. I think Paul was speaking to the fact that they all knew this and EVEN IN THIS you shall love your neighbour as yourself... because they obviously were lacking in that regard and required rebuke. I am no biblical scholar but this seemed evident the first time I looked at this passage & I was quite concerned when my NIV bible didnt have the "EVEN IN THIS"... pretty important words if you ask me.
Since you cannot edit in this forum I have to make a correction i meant to say......
#2 Although I do not believe we should change the word, and this is really a separate subject the verse in Revelation saying to not add or subtract from this book of prophecy is referring specifically to the book of Revelation, and not to the Bible as a whole which had not yet been compiled
#2 Although I do not believe we should change the word, and this is really a separate subject the verse in Revelation saying to not add or subtract from this book of prophecy is referring specifically to the book of Revelation, and not to the Bible as a whole which had not yet been compiled
I hope you understand that christianity is a way of living, and the Word of God (bible) is the (Basic-Instructions-Before-Leaving-Earth).... is the way we are suppose to live.there is no debate for those who are not saved or those who are babes ( yet carnally minded ) will noy understand what we are saying no matter what scriptures say. unless they seek the truth and not an arguement.
it's like to say you get a how-to book on how to put a roof on. and it give you a step-by-step instruction on how to do it perfectly. and you follow it to a tee. now knowing that the person or persons who wrote the book must know or was told how this should be done. you need no interpratation of it because to you who want to know it is just knowledge to a know how it is done. but to a person who is not looking to fix a roof it is giberrish. they wont know what a two-by-four is or a beam, joist or rafters are, toyally cluesless. say that you try to explain it to them; 1) you might not yet know the whole book yourself to put it all together to give them a good explanation or
2) you know it all but there lack of intrest in the truth; just want to prove that you or your book are wrong; but you know that it is not wrong cause you done the work and it has never failed you. and now you are speaking by experience, but at the same time you are still speaking by the book; but they wont hear a word you say for they really don't want to know.
if you seek the truth you will find it, for you must also know that any person or christian who is attemping to INTERPREATE the bible will always mess it up...But for those who say that God opened their eyes ( spiritualy ) and REVEALED the Word of God to them with the Spirit of knowledge and truth. them you listen to. for it is God.
anytime someone say this is what " I " think it means or what " I " believe it mean. then it is there interprtations and not that from God; which can never be dispurted or weighed down or have contridictions., because then we will say that this is what God say and what the Lord told me/ showed me in his WORD. All the bible is revealed to us by the Holy Spirit who leads us and guide us to all truth.
it's like to say you get a how-to book on how to put a roof on. and it give you a step-by-step instruction on how to do it perfectly. and you follow it to a tee. now knowing that the person or persons who wrote the book must know or was told how this should be done. you need no interpratation of it because to you who want to know it is just knowledge to a know how it is done. but to a person who is not looking to fix a roof it is giberrish. they wont know what a two-by-four is or a beam, joist or rafters are, toyally cluesless. say that you try to explain it to them; 1) you might not yet know the whole book yourself to put it all together to give them a good explanation or
2) you know it all but there lack of intrest in the truth; just want to prove that you or your book are wrong; but you know that it is not wrong cause you done the work and it has never failed you. and now you are speaking by experience, but at the same time you are still speaking by the book; but they wont hear a word you say for they really don't want to know.
if you seek the truth you will find it, for you must also know that any person or christian who is attemping to INTERPREATE the bible will always mess it up...But for those who say that God opened their eyes ( spiritualy ) and REVEALED the Word of God to them with the Spirit of knowledge and truth. them you listen to. for it is God.
anytime someone say this is what " I " think it means or what " I " believe it mean. then it is there interprtations and not that from God; which can never be dispurted or weighed down or have contridictions., because then we will say that this is what God say and what the Lord told me/ showed me in his WORD. All the bible is revealed to us by the Holy Spirit who leads us and guide us to all truth.
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Well I'm not Catholic (obviously) but...
here's what happened..
The customer came in...she had been on some catholic website to find out what they believe (I do not know the name of the site).
I had Catholic bibles in stock.. printed in 2004 or something and she said that wasn't the most current edidtion...apparently now (according to what they teach new catholics) they teach out of this new bible.. which among other things omit's the 4th commandment.
Like I said, I don't know the source...but this woman is involved in the Catholic church... and isisted on having the most 'current' version of the bible for her teaching...
here's what happened..
The customer came in...she had been on some catholic website to find out what they believe (I do not know the name of the site).
I had Catholic bibles in stock.. printed in 2004 or something and she said that wasn't the most current edidtion...apparently now (according to what they teach new catholics) they teach out of this new bible.. which among other things omit's the 4th commandment.
Like I said, I don't know the source...but this woman is involved in the Catholic church... and isisted on having the most 'current' version of the bible for her teaching...
Cookie39 You said "Amen. that is why I only read KJV....which all others are interpreted from... it has it all and has since 1611 AD". All other Bibles are NOT interpreted from the KJV. Today's Bibles are not translations of texts translated from other interpretations - they go right back to the ancient source manuscripts. Differences occur when Greek or Hebrew words have more than one meaning in English. In most cases, the correct meaning can be determined from the context. One case in the KJV which has caused much consternation is where a word was not translated at all, but transliterated. The word is baptizo, which means immerse. Because the king of England had just created the Anglican church, which had kept much of the Catholic doctrine from which it had been formed, the king had been sprinkled, rather than immersed. The scholars appointed to the task of translating did not want to offend the king, (for which they could literally lose their head), they chose not to translate the word. Instead of translating baptizo as immerse, they transliterated it to form the word baptize, which at the time had no meaning. Since then, of course, churches everywhere have applied their own meaning to the word.
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