Why does God hate Esau?

[followjesus]

Do you know?

Esau sold His blessing for a bowl of stew when He was Hungry. Esau was ruled by flesh rather than spirit. the truth us that not every person is a child of God, some are actually sons of the enemy. God Loves those who follow the Spirit, and following the spiritual things is Love for God.

Matthew 13:24-30 "Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25But while men slept, HIS ENEMY CAME AND SOWED TARES among the wheat, and went his way. 26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."


Matthew 13:37-37-39 "He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38The field is THE WORLD ; the good seed are the CHILDREN OF the kingdom; but the tares are the CHILDREN OF the wicked one; 39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels

 

[ForthAngel]

My statement comes out of Hebrews 9 that reveals the character of the man.
What Paul is showing in Rom 9:13 is a matter of preference which is complicit in the word μισέω. This has nothing to do with guilt or innocence as a reason for the choice but is driven by a greater purpose.

HELPS Word-studies
3404 miséō – properly, to detest (on a comparative basis); hence, denounce; to love someone or something less than someone (something) else, i.e. to renounce one choice in favor of another.

Fair enough. I understand the renouncing of one for another, but again, Paul is making a point that neither were chosen or rejected based on any merit, and the entire context of the chapter, and Romans 8 previously, was God's sovereign will over his creature. People wanna throw out "oh foreknowledge, foreknowledge" as if God learned something new, but this isn't the way God's foreknowledge is presented in scripture and can God really learn something new? Makes no sense. His foreknowledge is based on his divine decree, therefore it's not something like he had to "gaze into the future" to see or learn what the future would hold.

The whole point of Esau being rejected, hated, renounced, whatever people wanna call it, was to demonstrate God's sovereign will over his creation apart from the will of man, or the merit (or lack of merit) of man. That's what I get from it.

 

[followjesus]

The world isnt filled with good people, it full of both good and evil people. One would never hurt another, while another lives life hurting others and sees no issue. God means everything to some, to others God is a Joke. the new age salvation leads a person to believe good and evil doesnt really exist or apply to christians. But the Word of God constantly tells us were in a spiritual War, against our own evil desires that part of us controlled by sin, flesh, is in a battle against the spirit we receive through Christ. every day of a christians Life is a battle, to choose the birthrite given to us through Christ, and war against selling our blessing like esau, for a temporal fix. He was Hungry and it was His favorite, but later that day, he was hungry again...for that one meal He sold His blesing and His birthrite, God foreknew and that is why He hated esau..

 

[FreeNChrist]

Fair enough. I understand the renouncing of one for another, but again, Paul is making a point that neither were chosen or rejected based on any merit, and the entire context of the chapter, and Romans 8 previously, was God's sovereign will over his creature. People wanna throw out "oh foreknowledge, foreknowledge" as if God learned something new, but this isn't the way God's foreknowledge is presented in scripture and can God really learn something new? Makes no sense. His foreknowledge is based on his divine decree, therefore it's not something like he had to "gaze into the future" to see or learn what the future would hold.

The whole point of Esau being rejected, hated, renounced, whatever people wanna call it, was to demonstrate God's sovereign will over his creation apart from the will of man, or the merit (or lack of merit) of man. That's what I get from it.

God doesn't have to "gaze into the future". As Lewis said, "God sees everything in His eternal now......”

 

[preacher4truth]

God doesn't have to "gaze into the future". As Lewis said, "God sees everything in His eternal now......”

That's exactly what forthangel was saying...

 

[FreeNChrist]

That's exactly what forthangel was saying...

Put your thinking cap on there Sparky.

 

[Johnny_B]

I'm always amazed that people take comfort in the fact God looks upon the heart.

And what does He see? Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?”

 

[stonesoffire]

You guys are good here in this forum. You would be surprised how many don't know what caused God to "hate" Esau or what he did is probably more accurate.

Who is Esau a picture of? Who else sold his birthright?

 

[Chokmahiel]

Hmm, I was just reading over most of the Jacob and Esau parts of Genesis last night before bed.

What stands out to me about Esau is he just keeps messing up and he never really takes his parents seriously. As others mentioned Esau sold his birthright. Even more, Esau married outside of his race and this displeased Rebekah particularly. Rebekah was grieved because of the daughters of Heth which Esau did marry. Rebekah helped Jacob secure Isaac's blessing. Then Esau meditates on killing Jacob with his own hand. Rebekah intervenes again and speaks to Isaac about how her life will be worth nothing if Jacob marries one of the daughters of the land. So she saves Jacob again and sends him off to Laban her brother to take a wife of her own people. When Esau sees that Isaac has blessed Jacob and that he has charged Jacob to not take any daughter of Canaan to wife, but to go to Padanaram to take a wife from there, and when he sees Jacob diligently listens to his parents, then Esau goes and takes for himself wives from Ishmael. Esau just keeps messing up really.

 

[resurrection33]

Do you know?

Without going back and reading the Scripture, I'm not aware that the Lord hated Esau. He just wasn't satisfied with him, perhaps because of some sin he was committing.

 

[Desertsrose]

It also means the land of Esau which is Edom.

Malachi 1:1-5 The oracle of the word of the Lord to Israel through Malachi.“I have loved you,” says the Lord. But you say, “How have You loved us?”

“Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “Yet I have loved Jacob; but I have hated Esau, and I have made his mountains a desolation and appointed his inheritance for the jackals of the wilderness.”

Though Edom says, “We have been beaten down, but we will return and build up the ruins”; thus says the Lord of hosts, “They may build, but I will tear down; and men will call them the wicked territory, and the people toward whom the Lord is indignant forever.” Your eyes will see this and you will say, “The Lord be magnified beyond the border of Israel!”

The Edomites (Esau) will be judged because of how they treated the Israelites their half brother.

Also, the Edomites worshipped fertility God’s and not the God of Israel.

In Judges, the Israelites wanted to pass through Edom, but they would not allow them to.

The Edomites also had a history of joining with other nations against Israel.

Ezekiel 25:12-14

‘Thus says the Lord God, “Because Edom has acted against the house of Judah by taking vengeance, and has incurred grievous guilt, and avenged themselves upon them,” therefore thus says the Lord God, “I will also stretch out My hand against Edom and cut off man and beast from it.

And I will lay it waste; from Teman even to Dedan they will fall by the sword. I will lay My vengeance on Edom by the hand of My people Israel. Therefore, they will act in Edom according to My anger and according to My wrath; thus they will know My vengeance,” declares the Lord God.

 

[maxwel]

God hated Esau because he was a "hairy man."

That is proof God loves bald people.

 

[Desertsrose]

You guys are good here in this forum. You would be surprised how many don't know what caused God to "hate" Esau or what he did is probably more accurate.

Who is Esau a picture of? Who else sold his birthright?

Hi Stonefire,

I know the answer you want is Israel. They rejected their birthright at the time of Jesus. But the story isn't complete yet.

Israel as a nation and will worship the Lord their God with all their heart, soul, mind and strength. It will be a remnant. But at the time of Jacob's trouble, the nation of Israel, the third of the nation that makes it through the battle of Armageddon will worship their God. What an exciting time that will be.

 

[Johnny_B]

He sold his birthright for the wrong treasures

“And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

The idea of love less, is men translating a word with their doctrine behind it, like E. W. Vine did with the word "foreknowledge" "πρόγνωσις" "God's "foreknowledge" involves His electing grace, but this does not preclude human will. He "foreknows" the exercise of faith which brings salvation." It has nothing to do with human will, which Paul explained in Romans 9:11, it has everything to do with God's electing purpose, not because of anything we do, but that His purpose of election might continue.

Let's be honest here, what he is explaining is not foreknowledge, it's acknowledge, the way Vine adds to foreknowledge, it should read, "elect according to the acknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:" Why do men have to add their doctrine to the meaning of a word? I've taught that word meant "loved less" until one time as I was teaching and got convicted when I said it. Then after some more study, I realized that God has every right to hate and who Him hates, who am I to make God like a man. He has revealed Himself as hating certain things and I just need to submit to that, whether I fully understand it or not.

Because that is what people are saying when they add human effort to God's choice of people, because it's not electing someone if it's on the bases of what they will do, that's not the election Paul talks about. Paul says God's electing grace is, "they were not yet born and had done nothing good or bad. Why? "in order that God's purpose of election might continue" But why? "not because of works (faith/birthright) but because of Him who calls." Paul makes sure that we know that it has nothing to do with us, it's all about God and His grace.

Is there no word for like? In the Hebrew or Greek? If God loved Esau less, why didn't the Holy Spirit use a word for "like" because that's what "loved less" means, instead of loving them, you just like them. Why haven't the translates used the word "like" or placed a foot note saying that it could be translated "loved less" because it can't. Why is it hard for us to understand that God hates? The Bible is clear He hates wickedness/sin and the wicked/sinners. We are all born wicked/sinner and God hates it, but in His love He gave His Son to the world not to condemn the world but that through Him the world might be saved. This is how God has demonstrated His love towards the world, interesting part is it does not say He died for the world, it just says that God gave His Son. If you read the footnote on John 3:16 in the ESV it says that it could read "For this is how God loved the world", that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I think it's interesting that many are saying it was because of something Esau did or because of the condition of his heart. Paul refutes this in Romans 9 and makes it clear that God hated him before he had done anything good or bad and before he was born.

BINGO!!

Finally someone gets it!!

 

[SovereignGrace]

He does not hate Esau, That is a poor English translation, In Hebrew the term means love less. Much Like God tells us to love our parents, Yet he also tells us unless we hate our parents we can have nothing to do with him. Or his kingdom.

So then we are also to love Satan a little less than God? Srsly?

 

[SovereignGrace]

I'm always amazed that people take comfort in the fact God looks upon the heart.

That desparately wicked thing in man? Outside of Christ, he sees vile beings.

 

[SovereignGrace]

He does not hate Esau, That is a poor English translation, In Hebrew the term means love less. Much Like God tells us to love our parents, Yet he also tells us unless we hate our parents we can have nothing to do with him. Or his kingdom.

In Proverbs 6, there are 7 things God hates. 6 & 7 are ppl who lie and sow discord amongst His ppl. In Psalm 5 he hates workers of iniquity.

This 'God loves sinners but hates their sins' makes for good bumper sticker theology but not for biblically sound doctrine.

 

[preacher4truth]

Put your thinking cap on there Sparky.

Why bother when showing simple truths you've missed doesn't require any thinking?

 

[Johnny_B]

This 'God loves sinners but hates their sins' makes for good bumper sticker theology but not for biblically sound doctrine.

Amen!!! All this "love less" idea makes it seem as if there is not a word for that as in "like" why doesn't it read Jacob I loved, Esau I liked? Because He didn't like Esau He hated Him, I don't fully understand it, but I must submit to it.