Why does God hate Esau?
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And out of "Egypt" I call my son
GOD takes out of one kingdom and brings into THE KINGDOM as HE chooses
And right now all are in the kingdom of darkness until GOD in HIS GRACE and MERCY transfers us out of one kingdom and brings us into the kingdom of LIGHT in HIS SON whom HE loves
GOD is the ONE who calls and brings us into fellowship with HIS SON
Its because of GOD that we are in TRUE ISRAEL of GOD who is HIS SON
GOD takes out of one kingdom and brings into THE KINGDOM as HE chooses
And right now all are in the kingdom of darkness until GOD in HIS GRACE and MERCY transfers us out of one kingdom and brings us into the kingdom of LIGHT in HIS SON whom HE loves
GOD is the ONE who calls and brings us into fellowship with HIS SON
Its because of GOD that we are in TRUE ISRAEL of GOD who is HIS SON
I don't understand how people are still wracking their brains over this with such elaborate philosophies and reasoning. Paul tells us why, very plainly, in Romans 9.
All of the emotional responses that come from the idea of God hating someone before they have had a chance to do any wrong is addressed by Paul himself in the very same chapter. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the direction the discussion has gone, but if people are still asking the question "why", it's answered plainly by the Apostle Paul.
God chose one over the other apart from the will of man for his own purposes. I realize Romans 9 is a chapter many schools of thought despise, but we can't just sweep it under a rug and come up with strange explanations for what is clearly written.
God did not look through the tunnels of time and base a decision on a future man's/nation's choices. His foreknowledge and own sovereign will don't work that way and he does as he pleases. He had a specific purpose and a specific plan and this is the means by which he executed it.
All of this "Esau must have done something wrong" or "the nation he represented did something wrong" is not in the text, not to mention a misunderstanding and violation of fundamental Christian doctrine.
All of the emotional responses that come from the idea of God hating someone before they have had a chance to do any wrong is addressed by Paul himself in the very same chapter. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the direction the discussion has gone, but if people are still asking the question "why", it's answered plainly by the Apostle Paul.
God chose one over the other apart from the will of man for his own purposes. I realize Romans 9 is a chapter many schools of thought despise, but we can't just sweep it under a rug and come up with strange explanations for what is clearly written.
God did not look through the tunnels of time and base a decision on a future man's/nation's choices. His foreknowledge and own sovereign will don't work that way and he does as he pleases. He had a specific purpose and a specific plan and this is the means by which he executed it.
All of this "Esau must have done something wrong" or "the nation he represented did something wrong" is not in the text, not to mention a misunderstanding and violation of fundamental Christian doctrine.
HEB. 11:4.
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness
that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
1JOHN 3:12.
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him?
Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
JUDE 1:11.
Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward,
and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness
that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
1JOHN 3:12.
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him?
Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
JUDE 1:11.
Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward,
and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
No? I honestly don't know. I don't think so though. Either way, how would understanding that answer the OP? Paul has already answered the OP. I'm confused at why all the rest of this matters in regard to the question posed, "why does God hate Esau?"
Like I said, I am probably misunderstanding the direction the discussion has moved.
Like I said, I am probably misunderstanding the direction the discussion has moved.
Sorry for my typos
In the garden of Eden, there were two trees mentioned:
the tree of LIFE
and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
GOD gave one command to Adam:
Do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for in the day you eat of it, you will surely die
GOD said "in the day" showing that HE knew full well even as HE created Adam /man that there would be that day
In the garden of Eden, there were two trees mentioned:
the tree of LIFE
and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
GOD gave one command to Adam:
Do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for in the day you eat of it, you will surely die
GOD said "in the day" showing that HE knew full well even as HE created Adam /man that there would be that day
13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” 14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
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All it takes is a simple read through of the chapter where Paul addresses Esau and Jacob and their fate.
Your emotional response is addressed by Paul.
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All it takes is a simple read through of the chapter where Paul addresses Esau and Jacob and their fate.
Your emotional response is addressed by Paul.
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[FONT="]Esau became known as “Edom” because he wanted the red stew. Edom means red. For roughly the next two thousand years his descendants after him would be branded with this single rash act of stuffing the belly (Phil 3:19). Isn’t that amazing? Think of why we’re called Canadian, or American, or Chinese, or whatever… can you imagine taking your national identity from a single instance of stuffing your face with stew? And yet that’s just what happened here.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Esau was serving his flesh, and in the process, he despised his birthright, which had been given to him by God. He sold his birthright – the right to be the next leader of the family – in favor of feeding his flesh. He valued his God-given right to leadership equivalent to a bowl of stew.[/FONT]
[FONT="]As a result, Esau becomes a type of the FLESH all throughout the Bible, wherever you find him or his descendants, the Edomites.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Esau was serving his flesh, and in the process, he despised his birthright, which had been given to him by God. He sold his birthright – the right to be the next leader of the family – in favor of feeding his flesh. He valued his God-given right to leadership equivalent to a bowl of stew.[/FONT]
[FONT="]As a result, Esau becomes a type of the FLESH all throughout the Bible, wherever you find him or his descendants, the Edomites.[/FONT]