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this is not an easy thing to read Bill
I still think this is a spiritual matter...
I cannot answer why you have not found relief from this with all the prayers as you say
I can pray for you...I have and I will
your wife really sounds like a gift from God to you
I admire your determination in the face of all of the above...that sounds weak, but you must have inner strength whether or not you think so
I still think this is a spiritual matter...
I cannot answer why you have not found relief from this with all the prayers as you say
I can pray for you...I have and I will
your wife really sounds like a gift from God to you
I admire your determination in the face of all of the above...that sounds weak, but you must have inner strength whether or not you think so
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Why doesn't God heal everyone -- particularly his kids? Here's why. (Spurgeon, again.)
“My grace is sufficient for thee.”
2 Cor. 12:9
If none of God’s saints were poor and tried, we should not know half so well the consolations of divine grace. When we find the wanderer who has not where to lay his head, who yet can say, “Still will I trust in the Lord;” when we see the pauper starving on bread and water, who still glories in Jesus; when we see the bereaved widow overwhelmed in affliction, and yet having faith in Christ, oh! what honour it reflects on the gospel. God’s grace is illustrated and magnified in the poverty and trials of believers. Saints bear up under every discouragement, believing that all things work together for their good, and that out of apparent evils a real blessing shall ultimately spring-that their God will either work a deliverance for them speedily, or most assuredly support them in the trouble, as long as he is pleased to keep them in it. This patience of the saints proves the power of divine grace. There is a lighthouse out at sea: it is a calm night-I cannot tell whether the edifice is firm; the tempest must rage about it, and then I shall know whether it will stand. So with the Spirit’s work: if it were not on many occasions surrounded with tempestuous waters, we should not know that it was true and strong; if the winds did not blow upon it, we should not know how firm and secure it was. The master-works of God are those men who stand in the midst of difficulties, stedfast, unmoveable,-
“Calm mid the bewildering cry,
Confident of victory.”
He who would glorify his God must set his account upon meeting with many trials. No man can be illustrious before the Lord unless his conflicts be many. If then, yours be a much-tried path, rejoice in it, because you will the better show forth the all-sufficient grace of God. As for his failing you, never dream of it-hate the thought. The God who has been sufficient until now, should be trusted to the end.
“My grace is sufficient for thee.”
2 Cor. 12:9
If none of God’s saints were poor and tried, we should not know half so well the consolations of divine grace. When we find the wanderer who has not where to lay his head, who yet can say, “Still will I trust in the Lord;” when we see the pauper starving on bread and water, who still glories in Jesus; when we see the bereaved widow overwhelmed in affliction, and yet having faith in Christ, oh! what honour it reflects on the gospel. God’s grace is illustrated and magnified in the poverty and trials of believers. Saints bear up under every discouragement, believing that all things work together for their good, and that out of apparent evils a real blessing shall ultimately spring-that their God will either work a deliverance for them speedily, or most assuredly support them in the trouble, as long as he is pleased to keep them in it. This patience of the saints proves the power of divine grace. There is a lighthouse out at sea: it is a calm night-I cannot tell whether the edifice is firm; the tempest must rage about it, and then I shall know whether it will stand. So with the Spirit’s work: if it were not on many occasions surrounded with tempestuous waters, we should not know that it was true and strong; if the winds did not blow upon it, we should not know how firm and secure it was. The master-works of God are those men who stand in the midst of difficulties, stedfast, unmoveable,-
“Calm mid the bewildering cry,
Confident of victory.”
He who would glorify his God must set his account upon meeting with many trials. No man can be illustrious before the Lord unless his conflicts be many. If then, yours be a much-tried path, rejoice in it, because you will the better show forth the all-sufficient grace of God. As for his failing you, never dream of it-hate the thought. The God who has been sufficient until now, should be trusted to the end.
Amen...I like Spurgeon , he suffered with terrible dark days , his depression sometimes left him bedbound , after preaching many times through it , he would go off to France i believe to recuperate leaving his wife and children behind to rest in the peace of God , to have his weary soul restored , always resting in our Lord , Your Will be done Father , not ours...xox...
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louis;3480285]I am putting the onus on the statement being in corroboration with the Word in James 1 statiing not to expect anything from the Lord if one is double minded. To claim otherwise, is to deny Gods Word.
you are using a passage out of context is what you are doing...what does God say concerning healing? does He not say to pray? you seem to say if a person is not healed that PROOVES they are double minded every single time
this is not what James is saying...further, as I already showed you...he is speaking of wisdom...not healing
You are claiming double mindedness in relation to having to go through trials and tribulations. Maybe one does have to go through trials and tribulations to get out of being double minded, but trials and tribulations do not represent being double minded.
that is just nonsense. contrived nonsense like quite a bit of what you say
What a twister ye be. Let's keep it simple in what I said, and not the numerous trajectories you have assumed my statements to claim.
Mammon is money, and Christians who seek it, like me and ye, are double minded.
well I am not the one twisting things here...I point out what is actually being said by James and you claim it is about healing. do I think a person can be double minded concerning healing? sure...but not in the sense you seem to suggest
that's a big word there...trajectories...
no trajectories there in your posts...all of them seem to refer only to one thing and you simply run over the posts of people who would tell anyone who listens that they have been praying, have been prayed for and continue to seek God. they are not all double minded people
I don't seek money Louis...but you go ahead and say that is your vice if you think so. you ought to know your own sin...however this particular one is not one of mine
this is absurd. Luke was a doctor...so he was after mammon? why did Jesus call him to be an Apostle?
sorry dude...doctors are able to help millions of people and you judge all and say it is all mammon and only a part of the world's systems
I think you have your own private interpretation of scripture going on
do carry on but hopefully people will see the resulting mishmash of what you do
the Bible says if a person is not willing to work, then they should not eat
God encourages work and responsibility...He encourages sharing what we have...you lump everything together with a total lack of understanding and it seems you think you are teaching something
however, what you say is not helpful and certainly not correct
done with the double minded thing here but maybe someone else will entertain it for you
you are using a passage out of context is what you are doing...what does God say concerning healing? does He not say to pray? you seem to say if a person is not healed that PROOVES they are double minded every single time
this is not what James is saying...further, as I already showed you...he is speaking of wisdom...not healing
You are claiming double mindedness in relation to having to go through trials and tribulations. Maybe one does have to go through trials and tribulations to get out of being double minded, but trials and tribulations do not represent being double minded.
that is just nonsense. contrived nonsense like quite a bit of what you say
What a twister ye be. Let's keep it simple in what I said, and not the numerous trajectories you have assumed my statements to claim.
Mammon is money, and Christians who seek it, like me and ye, are double minded.
well I am not the one twisting things here...I point out what is actually being said by James and you claim it is about healing. do I think a person can be double minded concerning healing? sure...but not in the sense you seem to suggest
that's a big word there...trajectories...
no trajectories there in your posts...all of them seem to refer only to one thing and you simply run over the posts of people who would tell anyone who listens that they have been praying, have been prayed for and continue to seek God. they are not all double minded people
I don't seek money Louis...but you go ahead and say that is your vice if you think so. you ought to know your own sin...however this particular one is not one of mine
this is absurd. Luke was a doctor...so he was after mammon? why did Jesus call him to be an Apostle?
sorry dude...doctors are able to help millions of people and you judge all and say it is all mammon and only a part of the world's systems
I think you have your own private interpretation of scripture going on
do carry on but hopefully people will see the resulting mishmash of what you do
the Bible says if a person is not willing to work, then they should not eat
God encourages work and responsibility...He encourages sharing what we have...you lump everything together with a total lack of understanding and it seems you think you are teaching something
however, what you say is not helpful and certainly not correct
done with the double minded thing here but maybe someone else will entertain it for you
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Picture healing like water. If you have the office of healer, God uses you like a fountain -- you're the go-to guy if anyone is in want of water. But the Lord is the one who decides if the want is a need. So he's the one that works through you, distributing his water as needed. BUT if there is no healer in the group/church, he can, and does, give a cup of water to those who trust him for it to give to others. If the person really needs the water, the Lord will fill that need, and the water quenches that particular thirst. If there is reason he holds back, the water won't help.
We are all called to pray for the sick. But we're doing that for God's glory, not our glory. There is little healing today because too many of God's people think "I'm not a fountain, so I can't do a thing." True, we aren't fountains. True, we can't do a thing. But then again, healing is from God, so we never could. Praying for healing -- actually praying for God's will -- is supposed to be done by us 24/7, fountain or not.
I've seen healing because there was never a time in my Christian walk that I ever thought that is someone else's responsibility. It's still a miracle, so doesn't happen too often, but it happens a whole lot less, because so many have given up that it will ever happen.
To me, that is lack of trust in the Lord.
We are all called to pray for the sick. But we're doing that for God's glory, not our glory. There is little healing today because too many of God's people think "I'm not a fountain, so I can't do a thing." True, we aren't fountains. True, we can't do a thing. But then again, healing is from God, so we never could. Praying for healing -- actually praying for God's will -- is supposed to be done by us 24/7, fountain or not.
I've seen healing because there was never a time in my Christian walk that I ever thought that is someone else's responsibility. It's still a miracle, so doesn't happen too often, but it happens a whole lot less, because so many have given up that it will ever happen.
To me, that is lack of trust in the Lord.
I agree doctors use what they currently have to try to heal but have you ever heard of The Eber Scroll? Its Egyptian, written by the Egyptians, and was supposedly things they learned from the Hebrew (Eber) people about healing.
I tried to read it but lost interest quickly. But in one place it recommends rubbing a piece of moldy bread on a cut. Think about that (and what our current preventative for infection is and how its made)! Amazing!
Also, check into circumcision and the clotting factor male babies bodies don't start producing until the 8th day of their life!
I tried to read it but lost interest quickly. But in one place it recommends rubbing a piece of moldy bread on a cut. Think about that (and what our current preventative for infection is and how its made)! Amazing!
Also, check into circumcision and the clotting factor male babies bodies don't start producing until the 8th day of their life!
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I am not sure he knows what mammon actually is as he paints a broad brush with the word over everything
the word does have a specific meaning...as I think most of us know...but he references it to being double minded, doctors, working to earn a living, all the world systems and double minds.
I don't think it's worth trying to straighten out...seems to make it worse in fact
the word does have a specific meaning...as I think most of us know...but he references it to being double minded, doctors, working to earn a living, all the world systems and double minds.
I don't think it's worth trying to straighten out...seems to make it worse in fact
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Rosemaryx;3480247
Well I just copied a little bit from GotQuestions , Question: "What is scrupulosity, and how can it be overcome?"
Answer: Scrupulosity, sometimes called “religious OCD,” is essentially an excessive and debilitating concern with morality. Paranoid Schizophrenia, Delusional Disorder, and similar psychological illnesses may accompany obsessive religious thoughts or delusions of a religious nature. And sometimes religious eccentricities appear in other personality disorders. Scrupulosity is considered a psychological illness in modern psychology.
right got it now....didn't know there was a word for it
seems like too much inward contemplation ... like spiraling thoughts
Often, those suffering from scrupulosity will focus on one particular aspect of morality, such as sexual purity or blasphemy. Someone with scrupulosity might continually doubt his salvation or go to extreme measures to ensure she is forgiven. He may attend religious services compulsively, pray repetitive prayers for salvation, perform religious rituals until she feels she has done so perfectly, require constant assurance from clergy members, make frequent pacts with God, or obsess over fears of moral compromise...
Mine attacks my salvation , and although I know in my heart I am Gods child , and when my mind is in normal state I am fine and growing well in our LORD , but when I get attacked with the OCD in my mind , it is like the evil one knows my weakness is my mental health , so this is what suffers...
as you put him, the evil one, will always look for weak spots and he knows what they are...I think many are probably concerned over salvation and reading some of these threads here, you can see that.
I can not shut the voice down , neither can I stop it by distraction to something else ...Last week it was so bad I was scared to read my bible because everytime I read it , the voice was louder then me and telling me the oppisite to what Gods word is...Thank God these past few days it has gone from the front of my head , I can still hear it now and then in the background , but like I said , the comfort I got when reading that God knows my thoughts was such a relief , He knows that voice in my head is not from my heart , so I get my healing by trusting God , leaning on Him , and what I feel that God is showing me is that I do not have to run and hide from Him in shame , I dont know why I have this and I have asked God to take it from me , but His words as Hhe said to Paul comfort me also " My grace is sufficient " so I rest in that...xox...
Psalms says that God inhabits the praises of His people...I have a great distraction from thoughts that are not the kind we want to entertain, is to sing scripture and just praise God.
in battle, the Israelites had the musicians and singers out front...I don't think you have to put up with that voice
you know, this is a forum...not a teaching platform although from time to time some very good posts are made by some that are equivalent to teaching
there is such a thing as a spiritual battle....I almost hesitate to say this, but not everything is something we are supposed to endure...scripture is your best weapon....the sword of the spirit
music that praises God and rejoices in Him would be helpful....many people do that when faced with overbearing thoughts like you describe
I don't know if you have tried that or not or if you want to, but it does help many
Well I just copied a little bit from GotQuestions , Question: "What is scrupulosity, and how can it be overcome?"
Answer: Scrupulosity, sometimes called “religious OCD,” is essentially an excessive and debilitating concern with morality. Paranoid Schizophrenia, Delusional Disorder, and similar psychological illnesses may accompany obsessive religious thoughts or delusions of a religious nature. And sometimes religious eccentricities appear in other personality disorders. Scrupulosity is considered a psychological illness in modern psychology.
right got it now....didn't know there was a word for it
seems like too much inward contemplation ... like spiraling thoughts
Often, those suffering from scrupulosity will focus on one particular aspect of morality, such as sexual purity or blasphemy. Someone with scrupulosity might continually doubt his salvation or go to extreme measures to ensure she is forgiven. He may attend religious services compulsively, pray repetitive prayers for salvation, perform religious rituals until she feels she has done so perfectly, require constant assurance from clergy members, make frequent pacts with God, or obsess over fears of moral compromise...
Mine attacks my salvation , and although I know in my heart I am Gods child , and when my mind is in normal state I am fine and growing well in our LORD , but when I get attacked with the OCD in my mind , it is like the evil one knows my weakness is my mental health , so this is what suffers...
as you put him, the evil one, will always look for weak spots and he knows what they are...I think many are probably concerned over salvation and reading some of these threads here, you can see that.
I can not shut the voice down , neither can I stop it by distraction to something else ...Last week it was so bad I was scared to read my bible because everytime I read it , the voice was louder then me and telling me the oppisite to what Gods word is...Thank God these past few days it has gone from the front of my head , I can still hear it now and then in the background , but like I said , the comfort I got when reading that God knows my thoughts was such a relief , He knows that voice in my head is not from my heart , so I get my healing by trusting God , leaning on Him , and what I feel that God is showing me is that I do not have to run and hide from Him in shame , I dont know why I have this and I have asked God to take it from me , but His words as Hhe said to Paul comfort me also " My grace is sufficient " so I rest in that...xox...
Psalms says that God inhabits the praises of His people...I have a great distraction from thoughts that are not the kind we want to entertain, is to sing scripture and just praise God.
in battle, the Israelites had the musicians and singers out front...I don't think you have to put up with that voice
you know, this is a forum...not a teaching platform although from time to time some very good posts are made by some that are equivalent to teaching
there is such a thing as a spiritual battle....I almost hesitate to say this, but not everything is something we are supposed to endure...scripture is your best weapon....the sword of the spirit
music that praises God and rejoices in Him would be helpful....many people do that when faced with overbearing thoughts like you describe
I don't know if you have tried that or not or if you want to, but it does help many
Hello Stunnedbygrace; this Eber medicine sounds like Holistic medicine of today.
Holistic medicine uses a lot of natural plants and herbs to perform healings, with high success rates in many areas, including curing cancers.
The AMA and the medical insurrance industry are opposed to Holistic medicine, as it is far less costly, and cuts into their profits.
They have gone so far as to send lobbyists to congress to make it illegal even to recommend alternative treatment for illnesses.
So, who knows? Money rules I guess.
Holistic medicine uses a lot of natural plants and herbs to perform healings, with high success rates in many areas, including curing cancers.
The AMA and the medical insurrance industry are opposed to Holistic medicine, as it is far less costly, and cuts into their profits.
They have gone so far as to send lobbyists to congress to make it illegal even to recommend alternative treatment for illnesses.
So, who knows? Money rules I guess.
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This is going to seem weird, because I'm hitting points we already hit from 2-3 days ago, but here I am back, looking like I'm trying to hit them again.
That's not what is happening. I am a writer. I have never said I'm a good writer, but when I write stuff and people don't get it, I know I didn't communicate what I meant. Thus, I am not a good writer. Persistent, but not good. So, this is me trying to clarify what I said, because, lo and behold, I found someone who said what I tried to say, and did a really good job at it. So, bear with me, when I bring back something old to show what I meant way back then... if for no other reason than it's something worth seeing in what God does.
We tend to complain because we think we see where God is goofing up on the job. (For instance, healing everyone really seems like a good idea, so is he goofing because he's not doing that? And, that really is where my mind goes sometimes, so do not take that as me pointing fingers. I think it's one of those things we all think. And, I really don't think this is blasphemy with us, like the meme I'm about to paste says it is. I think it is done out of naivety or ignorance, not out of anger or hatred. Maybe blasphemy for some, but not usually.)
But the utterly depraved thing I was talking about is the stuff we rarely notice because God is doing a great job, even when we don't notice.
Yup. Me talking in circles without getting it through clear again. BUT saw this meme a few minutes ago, and wanted to show you what I meant because Matt Chandler (whoever he is lol) said it the way I meant it.
That's not what is happening. I am a writer. I have never said I'm a good writer, but when I write stuff and people don't get it, I know I didn't communicate what I meant. Thus, I am not a good writer. Persistent, but not good. So, this is me trying to clarify what I said, because, lo and behold, I found someone who said what I tried to say, and did a really good job at it. So, bear with me, when I bring back something old to show what I meant way back then... if for no other reason than it's something worth seeing in what God does.
We tend to complain because we think we see where God is goofing up on the job. (For instance, healing everyone really seems like a good idea, so is he goofing because he's not doing that? And, that really is where my mind goes sometimes, so do not take that as me pointing fingers. I think it's one of those things we all think. And, I really don't think this is blasphemy with us, like the meme I'm about to paste says it is. I think it is done out of naivety or ignorance, not out of anger or hatred. Maybe blasphemy for some, but not usually.)
But the utterly depraved thing I was talking about is the stuff we rarely notice because God is doing a great job, even when we don't notice.
Yup. Me talking in circles without getting it through clear again. BUT saw this meme a few minutes ago, and wanted to show you what I meant because Matt Chandler (whoever he is lol) said it the way I meant it.
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This is going to seem weird, because I'm hitting points we already hit from 2-3 days ago, but here I am back, looking like I'm trying to hit them again.
That's not what is happening. I am a writer. I have never said I'm a good writer, but when I write stuff and people don't get it, I know I didn't communicate what I meant. Thus, I am not a good writer. Persistent, but not good. So, this is me trying to clarify what I said, because, lo and behold, I found someone who said what I tried to say, and did a really good job at it. So, bear with me, when I bring back something old to show what I meant way back then... if for no other reason than it's something worth seeing in what God does.
We tend to complain because we think we see where God is goofing up on the job. (For instance, healing everyone really seems like a good idea, so is he goofing because he's not doing that? And, that really is where my mind goes sometimes, so do not take that as me pointing fingers. I think it's one of those things we all think. And, I really don't think this is blasphemy with us, like the meme I'm about to paste says it is. I think it is done out of naivety or ignorance, not out of anger or hatred. Maybe blasphemy for some, but not usually.)
But the utterly depraved thing I was talking about is the stuff we rarely notice because God is doing a great job, even when we don't notice.
Yup. Me talking in circles without getting it through clear again. BUT saw this meme a few minutes ago, and wanted to show you what I meant because Matt Chandler (whoever he is lol) said it the way I meant it.
That's not what is happening. I am a writer. I have never said I'm a good writer, but when I write stuff and people don't get it, I know I didn't communicate what I meant. Thus, I am not a good writer. Persistent, but not good. So, this is me trying to clarify what I said, because, lo and behold, I found someone who said what I tried to say, and did a really good job at it. So, bear with me, when I bring back something old to show what I meant way back then... if for no other reason than it's something worth seeing in what God does.
We tend to complain because we think we see where God is goofing up on the job. (For instance, healing everyone really seems like a good idea, so is he goofing because he's not doing that? And, that really is where my mind goes sometimes, so do not take that as me pointing fingers. I think it's one of those things we all think. And, I really don't think this is blasphemy with us, like the meme I'm about to paste says it is. I think it is done out of naivety or ignorance, not out of anger or hatred. Maybe blasphemy for some, but not usually.)
But the utterly depraved thing I was talking about is the stuff we rarely notice because God is doing a great job, even when we don't notice.
Yup. Me talking in circles without getting it through clear again. BUT saw this meme a few minutes ago, and wanted to show you what I meant because Matt Chandler (whoever he is lol) said it the way I meant it.
hey ~ what am I doing in there?
no worries...I agree about the depraved...just responded on the latest Prince error thread where he says that Jeremiah was speaking to a man when he said the heart is desperately wicked...Princes goes...smile be happy (ok maybe not exactly that) but he does say that Jeremiah was speaking to an individual
with one sentence he tries to destroy all that scripture states about the condition of our hearts
I was gobsmacked at the audacious and blatant lie even for Prince...not the Holy Spirit whispering in his ear, but something definitely is
so you know I'm not Calvinist (not Armenian either) but as my husband states...hang on a minute...Calvin had some great things to say....at which I told him I was still learning new things about him haha
Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
We are Gods creation and He loves us though we are not loveable because of sin.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
We are Gods creation and He loves us though we are not loveable because of sin.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
We are not lovable? Even the most wicked of men have love for their own blood. Despite sin God has loved us, and sin has not made us unlovable. On the contrary, our state of despair has ignited God's love in that He has chosen to show us mercy. As we see the helpless and our hearts spring forth into action so did God see His helpless creation and was moved for He does love us.
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actually no we are not loveable
Christ died for us while we were still sinners
when we accept Him as our Savior, we get a whole lot more loveable in the eyes of God
besides, you are twisting what is being said here by notuptome...and I think you know that
you are trying to insert the universal healing program that is not on God's agenda. Gods' agenda is to get people saved...you know? whosoever will regarding salvation...nothing about whosoever will be healed...again and again people have to remind you that Isaiah is not about physical healing and then we have to add that of course God does heal...because you or someone else will come along and tell us we do not believe in healing when we did not ever say that or even hint at it
you have no proof that God heals everyone for the simple and OBVIOUS reason that we can look around and have all the proof we need that God does not heal everyone...and then of course you or someone will say that faith is missing when Jesus says even faith as small as a mustard seed can move mountains
maybe just take a reality check that this entire globe is in the grip of sin and those who are being saved out of it, are those saved by Christ Jesus
maybe it takes some humbleness to admit that not everyone is healed in spite of the WOF doctrine, but I would think it would just take simply take honesty and stop blaming those who have not been healed
God is always able...but if He does not act according to our expectations, it is wise to perhaps ask HIM why, instead of blaming people who obviously DO have faith or they would not even ask for healing in the first place
and try not to twist what someone else says. I am sure you don't like it if someone does that to you
as far as being lovable and you saying God loves us anyway? how does He love us if we are not born anew in His Son?
what happens to those who are not saved?
people forget or put aside the fact that God is holy and He cannot abide sin ... lovable? why did God tell the Israelites to purge the land of all its inhabitants systematically? they didn't complete the job and sin was always on the rise and sin separates us from God
ALL the Bible...not just the parts that we are comfortable with to understand both why Jesus had to die and why people are not acceptable and will not inherit the kingdom unless they accept Jesus
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Nice that you think man is basically good and loving.
Too bad, God doesn't share your view.
Gen. 6:5 [FONT="]The [/FONT][FONT="]Lord[/FONT][FONT="] saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.[/FONT]
Too bad, God doesn't share your view.
Gen. 6:5 [FONT="]The [/FONT][FONT="]Lord[/FONT][FONT="] saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.[/FONT]
