Why isnt the holocaust in the bible

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We are commanded to Love all whether they love us or not. Yet at the same time we are also commanded to judge for ourselves what is right, and this applies to our own actions and those actions of others. This by no means is saying we judge unto condemnation, for only One has earned this authority, and it was His in the first place.

If you look at the assemblies calling themselves Christian today, you will find the exact types as were encountered by our Lord and Savior in the Jewry of His earthly walk.


Only God knows what is in the hearts of man, He knows individually, and He knows collectively. It is not for anyone to say that all Jews rejected Yeshua, Jesus. It is not for anyone to say anyone is damned to hell, for it is written many pagans have the truth written on their hearts with their consciouses accusing or excusing them as they act. Yeshua, Jesus, also teaches that if we do not judge others (to condemnation) we will not be judged. Please, for your own sake, do not judge Jews in general as being unbelievers; this right has not been handed over to you or to me in this age. It is to be handed over to the saints (sanctified by the Blood of the Lamb) come the setting up of the thrones.



Scripture is quite clear that to have the Son is to have eternal life, and visa-versa.

Scripture has already condemned those who differ.

Perhaps you can show us a Trinitarian Jew, and then we can sell you some ocean-front property in Iowa...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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This is according to the lexicons.

The term has a wide variety of meanings as determined by context...
what lexicons? the term jew comes from the term Judah, which means praised!.

A jew was a people group who came from the land of Judah, Thats all.. So it would be they who come from a land which means to praise.

I would quickly look at your lexicons and worry about them.

King David was a Jew. Mary and Joseph were Jews. So was Christ. They do not fit what you said the word means..
 
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what lexicons? the term jew comes from the term Judah, which means praised!.

A jew was a people group who came from the land of Judah, Thats all.. So it would be they who come from a land which means to praise.

I would quickly look at your lexicons and worry about them.

King David was a Jew. Mary and Joseph were Jews. So was Christ. They do not fit what you said the word means..

In what way was Jesus a Jew?
 
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In what way was Jesus a Jew?
He was a son of David. who was king of the jews. He was born of the tribe of Judah, thus by definition he was a Jew.

Again, the term Jew is nothing but a term given to the people who lived in the lower kingdom of Isreal after the nation split. All people living in JUDAH wer called jews, which is where the term came from.
 

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Scripture is quite clear that to have the Son is to have eternal life, and visa-versa.

Scripture has already condemned those who differ.

Perhaps you can show us a Trinitarian Jew, and then we can sell you some ocean-front property in Iowa...
So according to Holy Scripture one may judge who is damned and who is not? It contradicts all I have followed in learning from the Master. I understand what you are saying, but I do not understand this as advising me as a follower of Yeshua to judge others, even if they appear to be disobedient. We are to judge with right judgment and not by appearances, also one must always be conscious of the admonishment that some may be disobedient by the will of God, a conundrum perhaps, nonetheless something to meditate upon. I have.
 

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Jesus, Yeshua, was of the tribe of Judah. He walked His creation as a Jew. He broke none of the laws of Moses, practicing all lawful statutes, commandments and laws. He is King of the Jews; He is our King, amen.
 
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He was a son of David. who was king of the jews. He was born of the tribe of Judah, thus by definition he was a Jew.

Again, the term Jew is nothing but a term given to the people who lived in the lower kingdom of Isreal after the nation split. All people living in JUDAH wer called jews, which is where the term came from.
Was Jesus a Jew theologically?

 
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Actually the Holocaust was in the Bible, Deuteronomy 28:68 "And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you." The Holocaust happened when the Jews came into slavery on ships to America(and in the Caribbeans) and was sold as male and female slaves, America is the spiritual Egypt the Bible spoke of. Hundreds of millions of Jews died on the slave ships and many were then killed and enslaved once off the ships, so many were killed in fact it is hard to imagine. The Bible said the Jews would go into Egypt again, but this time with "ships" it was fulfilled when the slaves came here to America on cargo slave ships, and dispersed around the four corners.
 
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So according to Holy Scripture one may judge who is damned and who is not? It contradicts all I have followed in learning from the Master. I understand what you are saying, but I do not understand this as advising me as a follower of Yeshua to judge others, even if they appear to be disobedient. We are to judge with right judgment and not by appearances, also one must always be conscious of the admonishment that some may be disobedient by the will of God, a conundrum perhaps, nonetheless something to meditate upon. I have.

Where are you getting 'judging' from?

You seem to be pre-sensitised to jumping to this forgone conclusion.

The topic is what God Almighty has written in scripture.
 
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Was Jesus a Jew theologically?

Yeah he was. Most of the Jews in Jesus time were not though. That is why they rejected him.

The problem is. people want to look at a word. And what MOST of them believed in jesus time, and today, and try to put a name on what they were doing.. If they followed the truth given them by their fathers (moses and others) they would never have rejected Christ.


In fact looking at this. If your born of God, you would be a spiritual Jew. Because through Abraham, Issac, Jacob and Judah came Christ. Thus you would be adopted into their family by your birth into Christ.
 

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Where are you getting 'judging' from?

You seem to be pre-sensitised to jumping to this forgone conclusion.

The topic is what God Almighty has written in scripture.

It is very sad you feel this way. I mention I understand what you are saying, which in turn may be understood as understanding what the Scripture says on the subject. Perhaps you are misunderstanding me. As for mentioning judgment and judging, it is most certainly appropriate in light of your post. Perhaps if you reread what you have posted, and my response you may grasp the continuity. If you do not understand our Lord, Jesus Christ, was a Jew, then it is no small wonder you understand other things in a different manner.
 
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Yeah he was. Most of the Jews in Jesus time were not though. That is why they rejected him.

The problem is. people want to look at a word. And what MOST of them believed in jesus time, and today, and try to put a name on what they were doing.. If they followed the truth given them by their fathers (moses and others) they would never have rejected Christ.

In fact looking at this. If your born of God, you would be a spiritual Jew. Because through Abraham, Issac, Jacob and Judah came Christ. Thus you would be adopted into their family by your birth into Christ.

What you have just admitted to is that the term 'Jew' has more than one meaning.

The theology of some people calling themselves 'Jews' was different than that of Jesus.

That is my point...and that is what the lexicons rightly tell us to begin with.


 
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It is very sad you feel this way. I mention I understand what you are saying, which in turn may be understood as understanding what the Scripture says on the subject. Perhaps you are misunderstanding me. As for mentioning judgment and judging, it is most certainly appropriate in light of your post. Perhaps if you reread what you have posted, and my response you may grasp the continuity. If you do not understand our Lord, Jesus Christ, was a Jew, then it is no small wonder you understand other things in a different manner.

My posts revolve around what scripture states.

Your posts revolve around your emotions.

See the difference?

 

JaumeJ

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My posts revolve around what scripture states.

Your posts revolve around your emotions.

See the difference?

Each point I have indicated is from Holy Scripture and the teachings from the Master, Jesus. I see the confusion in your thinking though. It is obviated by the avatar, which I had not actually studied previously. God is the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit.
The word, christian, was first used at Antioch, from the Scriptures. The avatar is not from the Holy Scripture, thus it is moot continuing. Yahweh bless you and draw you to Yeshua in spirit and truth, amen.
 
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Each point I have indicated is from Holy Scripture and the teachings from the Master, Jesus. I see the confusion in your thinking though. It is obviated by the avatar, which I had not actually studied previously. God is the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit.
The word, christian, was first used at Antioch, from the Scriptures.
The avatar is not from the Holy Scripture, thus it is moot continuing. Yahweh bless you and draw you to Yeshua in spirit and truth, amen.

The Trinity shield is derived from scripture in the first place.

You don't seem very scripturally savvy...
 

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Speaking on the 65th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz in Poland, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu proclaimed the fulfillment of the prophet Ezekiel's vision of the valley of dry bones.

Netanyahu said, "Armed with the Jewish spirit, the justice of man, and the vision of the prophets, we sprouted new branches and grew deep roots. Dry bones became covered with flesh, a spirit filled them, and they lived and stood on their own feet."
 

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Speaking on the 65th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz in Poland, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu proclaimed the fulfillment of the prophet Ezekiel's vision of the valley of dry bones.

Netanyahu said, "Armed with the Jewish spirit, the justice of man, and the vision of the prophets, we sprouted new branches and grew deep roots. Dry bones became covered with flesh, a spirit filled them, and they lived and stood on their own feet."
are...........you............serious
 

Shilo

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are...........you............serious
Yes, It is a leader of the people who speak out prophecy. This has been show in the word of God. I believe there is more to come because God has not yet put his Holy Spirit in the Jews but once that has happened the we will be up to Ez 38-39
 
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The Jews remain under judgment because of rejection of Christ. The bible in revelation speaks of satan/the dragon trying to devour the woman/Israel because of the birth of Jesus & that they will be protected for a time in the wilderness by a beast with a lions head/Britain & eagles wings/US. The Holocaust is the catalyst for the fulfillment of the most important prophecies for our time that is the Jews returning from every nation which they were scattered to Israel & 2. becoming a nation again. Until the end of the world the Jews will, according to bible prophecy, constantly be under threat & attack, ever surrounded by their enemies. In the end the bible prophecies that there will be not one ally left, that God, Himself will intervene to stop the Jews from complete annihilation with a natural disaster that men will take 7 years to gather all the dead bodies, so large will be the force that marches against Israel.