Why No Women Are To Be Speaking In Church

[Thaddaeus]

I just did. It's the first post on page 9 here.

Esther was a queen to a gentile King has nothing to do with being a religious leader, Mordecai, had to obey her for she was queen of the land. God used kings and queens althrough the Bible to get His work done , He used Pharaoh to free the Israelites but that does not make Pharaoh a religious leader. if you want to get picky about it Mordecai was like a father to Esther , so for a daughter to command her father or elder to do anything was wrong before God. But as Queen and queen only not a religious leader did her authority come from so try again please???

 

[Mobius]

Read the post. It's all in there. I'm not gonna repeat myself. She gave a distinctly religious command, which was followed, by all the Jews, and was carried out by her foster father, and which resulted in the deliverance of the Jewish people from destruction.

 

[Aliciaforjesus]

1 Timothy 2:11 - Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:34 - Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Your statement went directly against the Bible.

For those who "think it should be this way" or "don't see what's wrong with things being that way", if it goes against the Bible, where do you think that idea is coming from? And the anger and/or frustration you may be feeling because of the injustice you think you're suffering, where do you think that is from?

The opinions that are forming from certain members in this thread are not being backed up by scripture; as a matter of fact, they're going against scripture. If you have an opinion, please back it up with scripture, because otherwise, you're misleading.

2 Peter 3:3 - First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.


2 Timothy 2:15 - Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.


AND, if I have offended anyone, this one's for you:

Galatians 1:10 - Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

If I were to apologize for what I said, I would be apologizing for the teachings of the Bible. If you were offended by what I've said, you were offended by the Bible.

As i was reading your post, I noticed Adam knew what He was doing was wrong,
but Eve was deceived, meaning she didn't know, she was tricked, by what she didn't know, which was the serpent the devil. The word says Adam and Eve knew no evil before they ate of the tree of good and evil.
Adam made a choice to disobey God by putting the woman first!
God shows no favorites,
we are no different than the animals, when we die we all turn to dust!
Male or female it doesn't matter!
The word says that there is neither male or female in heaven, nor a we given in marriage!
Do you think God did not know that man would fall?
Do you think God did not see it as it was happening?
Do you think God just threw a bunch of stuff together, not knowing what it would become and called it earth or heaven, or man or woman?

No, the word says Jesus was here from the beginning, and all things exists because of Him, He is the life, and the light of men. God already had a plan and it included the fall of man.
Jesus came to save that which was lost from the fall, and restore right relationship with God, but not only God and man! Woman and man also!
Remember, the word says they walked and talked with God together!

Did God say He was finished in Gen. or does it say He rested. (At work I rest at my break)
Jesus said, it was finished when He died on the cross!
What did He finish?
Could it be what God had planned from the beginning?
The word says that all creation waits and anticipates to see what the children of God will become!
I do not think God means to cause division with men and women, I look at it this way,
It's like the whole world is pregnant and we are the children of God being formed, it has taken all this time to come to a point where the baby is about to be born!
God talks about a chosen generation, we are that chosen generation!
We will see the second coming of Jesus!
It is not about anything but learning, we all have to learn, it's the way God made us!
learning brings life, and joy!
It's not all about pointing out fault,
Jesus does not point out faults, He points to the Father! (LOVE)
He died on the cross for sinners, not holding their sins against them!
God wants man to learn from the fall and learn what it is to know good and evil!
He wants us to choose good and to understand evil.
He gave us all free will to choose.
Man was the one who willingly choose to disobey God, so man has to learn to make the right choices, and God put us woman here to help!
A woman must let the man do what God has made him to do,
It has nothing to do with who God likes best, or who is made better!
It has to do with what God has planned!
Our ways are not God's ways and I think He is right in all that He does, and all that He does is for our good.

It would be a blessing to find a man who really puts God first, and would allow a woman to help him do what God has called him too! I can see how good it would be!
But as far as I can see right now, most men can't get past the fall, and the blame game!
I think it's called false pride.

We are to be nit together by love and to see a man and a woman become what God intended them to be will only be done if it is done the way God says too, by a man being the head of the household and a woman letting him.

It works when the focus is all on God and nit together in love!

God is love!

 

[Kathleen]

1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1Co 14:36What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant

The bible is quite clear on this subject, in the new testement even more so. People can not choice what they do and do not wnat to belive out of the bible, from front to back we should all try to obey as much as we can.

Man was put on Earth, nameing all the animals and such, ...then came women. Also Eve ate the apple first , women can be decived more - im sure it says somethin about that in the bible somewhere although i can not say an exact quote and where to find it.

I have 5 brothers and my dad to ask for refrence to anything. I firmily belive that women should not talk in the Church and thats the reason its in the bible. God obviously wants it that way, and thats how it should be.