Why the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is not for Today

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You need to deliver the line by line that you promised.......that was our deal. Show me how you think through these verses. Then I will maybe understand where you are coming from.
I need to outline the entire book. It's one organic whole.
 

Chris1975

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So you are the standard of another's faith?
No. If you have faith the size of a mustard seed you can move mountains. But people don't know how to exercise their faith. That is the limiting factor. Not God.
 

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There are 12 and 12 only apostles God appointed as the foundation of the Church. ALong with 12 OT Patriarchs.
So then you do not include the other apostles in scripture as a part of the foundation? I'm not sure how that is an argument for cessationism, since others could be apostles and do miracles without being a part of the foundation according to this approach. Barnabas was an apostle, and he and Saul reported the miracles they did in Jerusalem.
 
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No. If you have faith the size of a mustard seed you can move mountains. But people don't know how to exercise their faith. That is the limiting factor. Not God.
Faith is a gift. Not a mind set.
 
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So then you do not include the other apostles in scripture as a part of the foundation? I'm not sure how that is an argument for cessationism, since others could be apostles and do miracles without being a part of the foundation according to this approach. Barnabas was an apostle, and he and Saul reported the miracles they did in Jerusalem.
No, they were small a apostles. Just like any missionary.
 

Chris1975

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Lol, which you don't believe in (smiles at the irony).

Faith is what a believer exercises.

Jesus says when He returns, will He even find faith on the earth.
Jesus says to his disciples, Oh ye of little faith!!
 
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Lol, which you don't believe in (smiles at the irony).

Faith is what a believer exercises.

Jesus says when He returns, will He even find faith on the earth.
Jesus says to his disciples, Oh ye of little faith!!
Human faith = little faith. Holy Spirit faith = lots of faith.
 

Chris1975

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Exactly. Plus I have copyrighted material I should not use.
You have made some big statements earlier in the thread, but now you can't back these up because of copyright? You should then be able to articulate your belief from your heart (It's what YOU believe that I am seeking answers about).
Yet you are avoiding the line by line discussion.

And I know why....because by the end of the exercise you will have realised how flaky your whole foundation was. And you are not ready to give up on this.
 
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You have made some big statements earlier in the thread, but now you can't back these up because of copyright? You should then be able to articulate your belief from your heart (It's what YOU believe that I am seeking answers about).
Yet you are avoiding the line by line discussion.

And I know why....because by the end of the exercise you will have realised how flaky your whole foundation was. And you are not ready to give up on this.
You will not understand the Amillennial position as a Dispensationalist. If you did, you would not be a Dispensationalist.
 

Chris1975

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I will be on the lookout for your line by line. Until then, I am off. Till later.
 
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I will be on the lookout for your line by line. Until then, I am off. Till later.
I'll do this for you. I'll prove there is no millennium from scripture. Then I'll show you the next steps about how to interpret Revelation. When you get back. Is that something you would like to do?
 

Chris1975

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I'll do this for you. I'll prove there is no millennium from scripture. Then I'll show you the next steps about how to interpret Revelation. When you get back. Is that something you would like to do?
Absolutely.
 

Jackson123

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First provide me with a concise definition of the Millennium as you see it.
The Thousand Years
20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Let me sumarized this information.

1. Satan Being bound for 1000 years to keep him from deceiving nation (verse 1:3)

To me If satan able decieving nations mean they are physical.

Nations is plural I do not know If spiritual nations plural. How many nations Will be in spiritual

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The Thousand Years
20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

Let me sumarized this information.

1. Satan Being bound for 1000 years to keep him from deceiving nation (verse 1:3)

To me If satan able decieving nations mean they are physical.

Nations is plural I do not know If spiritual nations plural. How many nations Will be in spiritual

S
This thread is seriously off topic.
 

Chris1975

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Do you believe you can raise the dead?
The question is phrased wrongly. Do I believe God can raise the dead? Absolutely. He has done it before.

Has He used me as a vessel through which the dead are raised? No. Not Yet. Maybe never.

Make sense?
 
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The question is phrased wrongly. Do I believe God can raise the dead? Absolutely. He has done it before.

Has He used me as a vessel through which the dead are raised? No. Not Yet. Maybe never.
No, I phrased it correctly. This isn't about God at all, it's been all about you, your faith. You.

It is always about you; maintaining salvation, your faith being superior to others &c.

That's my point, nearly everything you post is self-glorifying. Top that off with your snide response to Dave L which further proves your un-Christ like persona. You should apologize to him for your unwarranted comments meant to insult him. Careful, you may lose "your" salvation.