Why the king james?

[eternally-gratefull]

Make up your mind EG. Was Abraham's faith justified or was Abraham considered righteous because of his works.

Both..

His was justified, and he was considered (not made) righteous because of his works.

of course saying he was justified causes alot of confusion, because it appears he is saying Abraham was justified because of his works, which is not true (ps, you added the word faith, I do not add words to scripture)

Why you can;t see that is mind boggling..

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Were the KJV scribes actually saying, that their translation is inspired or without any error? Or is it just idea of the KJV users?
I am not familiar with the history of KJV.

I don't know.
Good question.

 

[trofimus]

I don't know.
Good question.

Maybe KJV1611 can answer that.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

No difference, made righteous or considered righteous. None of us are made righteous nor considered righteous due to our works. Do yu agree with that?

Make up your mind EG. Was Abraham's faith justified or was Abraham considered righteous because of his works.

Both..

His was justified, and he was considered (not made) righteous because of his works.

of course saying he was justified causes alot of confusion, because it appears he is saying Abraham was justified because of his works, which is not true (ps, you added the word faith, I do not add words to scripture)

Why you can;t see that is mind boggling..

I already answered this question today.

Post #1464: Abraham was considered righteous before God because his actions (works) aligned with his faith (belief).

Faith + Works (aligned) = Righteousness
Faith alone =/= Righteousness
Works alone =/= Righteousness

 

[KJV1611]

The greek word used means to be justified, Declared righteous, Made righteous, Considered innocent, Aquited of all guilt. That is how a greek speaking person in the 1st centuray ad would have read that passage.

You're confusing me EG, does the Greek word mean that Abraham was made righteous because of his works? I mean all the descriptors you gave above except 'justified' indicate works salvation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I already answered this question today.

Post #1464: Abraham was considered righteous before God because his actions (works) aligned with his faith (belief).

Faith + Works (aligned) = Righteousness
Faith alone =/= Righteousness
Works alone =/= Righteousness

I would say amen, except I would add, there is no such thing as faith alone. Faith is never alone, a faith that is alone is said to be dead, which means it is non existent. or lifeless.

 

[KJV1611]

I already answered this question today.

Post #1464: Abraham was considered righteous before God because his actions (works) aligned with his faith (belief).

Faith + Works (aligned) = Righteousness
Faith alone =/= Righteousness
Works alone =/= Righteousness

Sorry I don't believe in works salvation.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Sorry I don't believe in works salvation.

Neither do I.
Nor does EG.

 

[trofimus]

I would say amen, except I would add, there is no such thing as faith alone. Faith is never alone, a faith that is alone is said to be dead, which means it is non existent. or lifeless.

What about the criminal who died next to Jesus? He could do no "work", he had faith only.

 

[KJV1611]

Neither do I.
Nor does EG.

You guys are tripping out! You say the NIV got it right by saying Abraham was considered righteous by his works and yet out of the other side of your mouth you say you don't believe in works salvation.

[h=1]James 2:21New International Version (NIV)[/h]21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

 

[KJV1611]

Question guys and yes or no answers please, no religious BS. Was Abraham considered righteous because of his works?

 

[KJV1611]

Second question with yes or no answers, no religious BS. Was Abraham's faith justified because of his works?

 

[trofimus]

Question guys and yes or no answers please, no religious BS. Was Abraham considered righteous because of his works?

I dont go into this topic, because it has to be packed in some theological dispute.

My examples of KJV translators making errors are more simple and straightforward

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

You guys are tripping out! You say the NIV got it right by saying Abraham was considered righteous by his works and yet out of the other side of your mouth you say you don't believe in works salvation.

James 2:21New International Version (NIV)

21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

You fail to understand the text and so your conclusion is we must be "tripping out".

KJV1611,

For days now, numerous people have shared and pleaded with you to understand that there is no basis for the argument that the KJV is the only version of the Bible we should trust. It is quite obvious at this point that you are not open to learning, but more interested in promoting your personal belief which is based on opinion.

This is my stance on the matter, which is based on fact rather than opinion:

"Our loyalties are to the original manuscripts of the Old and New Testaments, written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Only the original languages are the Word of God as He inspired it. A translation is only an attempt to take what is said in one language and communicate it in another. The modern translations are superb in taking the meaning of the original languages and communicating it in a way that we can understand in English. However, none of the modern translations are perfect. Every one contains verses that are at least somewhat mistranslated. By comparing and contrasting several different translations, it is often easier to get a good grasp on what the verse is saying than by only using one translation. Our loyalty should not be to any one English translation, but to the inspired, inerrant Word of God that is communicated by the Holy Spirit through the translations (2 Timothy 3:16-17)."

Source: What is the KJV Only movement? Is the King James Version the only Bible we should use?

If you have any questions about the facts of this article, I will do my best to answer. Otherwise, this is the time for me to hop off your merry-go-round. May God bless you on your journey.

Peace

 

[KJV1611]

You fail to understand the text and so your conclusion is we must be "tripping out".

KJV1611,

For days now, numerous people have shared and pleaded with you to understand that there is no basis for the argument that the KJV is the only version of the Bible we should trust. It is quite obvious at this point that you are not open to learning, but more interested in promoting your personal belief which is based on opinion.

This is my stance on the matter, which is based on fact rather than opinion:

"Our loyalties are to the original manuscripts of the Old and New Testaments, written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Only the original languages are the Word of God as He inspired it. A translation is only an attempt to take what is said in one language and communicate it in another. The modern translations are superb in taking the meaning of the original languages and communicating it in a way that we can understand in English. However, none of the modern translations are perfect. Every one contains verses that are at least somewhat mistranslated. By comparing and contrasting several different translations, it is often easier to get a good grasp on what the verse is saying than by only using one translation. Our loyalty should not be to any one English translation, but to the inspired, inerrant Word of God that is communicated by the Holy Spirit through the translations (2 Timothy 3:16-17)."

Source: What is the KJV Only movement? Is the King James Version the only Bible we should use?

If you have any questions about the facts of this article, I will do my best to answer. Otherwise, this is the time for me to hop off your merry-go-round. May God bless you on your journey.

Peace

All you guys have proven is that you don't believe any bible. Case in point the NIV saying Abraham was considered righteous by his works. You don't believe that but yet you still stand in defense of it even though you know it's written wrong. Nobody is considered righteous by their works.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You're confusing me EG, does the Greek word mean that Abraham was made righteous because of his works? I mean all the descriptors you gave above except 'justified' indicate works salvation.

Your confused only because you trying to justify a cult mentality.

Justified in biblical terms means declared righteous.. Thats what it meant in the 1st century AD..

if you do not like it, That is beside the point.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Question guys and yes or no answers please, no religious BS. Was Abraham considered righteous because of his works?

Yes..

would you consider a person who has no works righteous?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

All you guys have proven is that you don't believe any bible. Case in point the NIV saying Abraham was considered righteous by his works. You don't believe that but yet you still stand in defense of it even though you know it's written wrong. Nobody is considered righteous by their works.

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I sincerely hope you will actually read the article I sincerely shared with you, Sir.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Second question with yes or no answers, no religious BS. Was Abraham's faith justified because of his works?

Where in the bible does it say his FAITH was justified.

I am not going to answer a question of a hypothetical that is not in the bible.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What about the criminal who died next to Jesus? He could do no "work", he had faith only.

No he did not have faith alone, He proved it by telling the other theif off, and, He went to his death praising God. instead of cursing him proving he had a change of arttitude (repented) and had true faith.

Thats a work.