Will Christ set up His literal Kingdom on earth in the future?
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I can't answer because I haven't studied Daniel 2, but I'm sure others that have come along could answer you.
I've expressed how I have seen scripture but I will only indulge with a few things with what I have come to learn.
You might need to seek someone else to as the question dear friend in Christ Jesus.
Like I said I'm not the only one who believes that the Lord Jesus Christ has already come, and there are two forms of preterism that believe in, which is called Half-Preterism and Full-Preterism. I subscribe to believing in Full Preterism, but other peoples are allowed to view how they are gonna view scripture, I can't take anything from them only present what I do know as far as beliving that Nero was the Anti-Christ, and the Beast that gave out the mark, and at the end of all things, all the material religion that was enstated in Israel ?Jerusalem all came to and end at it's siege in Ad 70.
That is enough for me to be happy, and conclude that Jesus Christ, did do what He was said He gonna do, when those temples were gonna be destoried, which means all of the Old Covenant has been done and obsolete now.
Now anyone who comes to the Lord Jesus Christ in belief, and believes that God raised Him from the dead, they are indwelled by the kingdom of God that resides in them, and they are apart of the Heavenly Jerusalem because of their faith, and the Lord Governs over it, forever, and it will never end.
Jesus Christ has had everything placed beneath Him, satan/satans demons/sin/death
This is why I believe that the world will never end, and there will never be an end for people to come to the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ forever and ever.
but hey people have a problem with me having this type of belief, but I don't mind if they have a problem or not with it, because I believe it wasn't for God stopping everything that happened back then with the Great tribulation, and everything that the saints back then endured...
No one would have lived. Since I have laid all this out, I guess there is not much more I can really truly say....
I've expressed how I have seen scripture but I will only indulge with a few things with what I have come to learn.
You might need to seek someone else to as the question dear friend in Christ Jesus.
Like I said I'm not the only one who believes that the Lord Jesus Christ has already come, and there are two forms of preterism that believe in, which is called Half-Preterism and Full-Preterism. I subscribe to believing in Full Preterism, but other peoples are allowed to view how they are gonna view scripture, I can't take anything from them only present what I do know as far as beliving that Nero was the Anti-Christ, and the Beast that gave out the mark, and at the end of all things, all the material religion that was enstated in Israel ?Jerusalem all came to and end at it's siege in Ad 70.
That is enough for me to be happy, and conclude that Jesus Christ, did do what He was said He gonna do, when those temples were gonna be destoried, which means all of the Old Covenant has been done and obsolete now.
Now anyone who comes to the Lord Jesus Christ in belief, and believes that God raised Him from the dead, they are indwelled by the kingdom of God that resides in them, and they are apart of the Heavenly Jerusalem because of their faith, and the Lord Governs over it, forever, and it will never end.
Jesus Christ has had everything placed beneath Him, satan/satans demons/sin/death
This is why I believe that the world will never end, and there will never be an end for people to come to the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ forever and ever.
but hey people have a problem with me having this type of belief, but I don't mind if they have a problem or not with it, because I believe it wasn't for God stopping everything that happened back then with the Great tribulation, and everything that the saints back then endured...
No one would have lived. Since I have laid all this out, I guess there is not much more I can really truly say....
In Daniel 2 the stone is cast at the image "after the ten are present in the earth"
The problem is that in Revelation 17:7-18 in the eyes of the angel 5 had come, one is(6th) but all of the others, the 7th,the ten horns/kingdoms, the little hon, and the 8th had not yet come.
So you see from that point in time(Rev.17) Rome is to have another head,divide into ten kingdoms,an 8th,little horn ect all rise in the earth and then the stone is cast at it and becomes a "great mountain" ,,,,but they had not yet come according to scripture so how do you see this as past?
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Because it was written to the audience then, not to us now.
I'm not gonna respond anymore, I can't help you, you will have to go do your own research about anything I'm talking about, and Don K Preston is a pretty reliable guy when it comes to learning more about this information on the view called Preterism.
I'm fully convinced everything is wrapped up and there isn't any changing my mind on it anymore my friend, God bless you.
I'm not gonna respond anymore, I can't help you, you will have to go do your own research about anything I'm talking about, and Don K Preston is a pretty reliable guy when it comes to learning more about this information on the view called Preterism.
I'm fully convinced everything is wrapped up and there isn't any changing my mind on it anymore my friend, God bless you.
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For Iamsoandso ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDziTb00808 The teacher I listen to has been doing revelation for a good while, He is only Revelation chapter 17, maybe we can find out the answers together, It's just part 1, and there is part 2, and there are many more other videos that He has done on the Holy Bible, He is a full-preterist, and idk. I figured I would share it, He is a brother in Christ Jesus, and God sent Him in my life, and has helped me learn a whole lot about the bible.
God bless inb4 ban, I hope I dont but yeah.
I love being different but we are all the same in our faith in Christ Jesus, God bless my friends in Christ Jesus.
@ Ah Ahwatukee my friend in Christ Jesus , we believe in Fulfillment eschatology not futuristic eschatology my friend. Everything has been fulfilled by Christ Jesus
God bless inb4 ban, I hope I dont but yeah.
I love being different but we are all the same in our faith in Christ Jesus, God bless my friends in Christ Jesus.@ Ah Ahwatukee my friend in Christ Jesus , we believe in Fulfillment eschatology not futuristic eschatology my friend. Everything has been fulfilled by Christ Jesus
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Hey wolfwint,
First of all, all one has to do is look at the current state of this world to know that Jesus has not returned. Just turn on the news. If this is Jesus ruling with a rod of iron, it would be a pretty sad rule to say the least. And as you said, in order for them to have Christ already returned, they would have to ignore and misinterpret a lot of scripture. In fact they would have to ignore pretty much all scripture regarding His return and because they have zero fulfillment. Talking to preterist's is like talking to a brick wall.
First of all, all one has to do is look at the current state of this world to know that Jesus has not returned. Just turn on the news. If this is Jesus ruling with a rod of iron, it would be a pretty sad rule to say the least. And as you said, in order for them to have Christ already returned, they would have to ignore and misinterpret a lot of scripture. In fact they would have to ignore pretty much all scripture regarding His return and because they have zero fulfillment. Talking to preterist's is like talking to a brick wall.
Sir what do you not understand that the Kingdom of God "IS IN A BELIEVER IN JESUS CHRIST*
What part do you not understand, The world is gonna be the world as it is, but what are believers told to do? Focuse on spiritual things and things of Heaven Think about God, and the Lord JEsus Christ, and not this world?
What does the World Do? Who have yet to become believers? They just do what they do. I dont see what the big deal is.
I know what your really seeking, retribuation for all the evil that is in all the world, and you want it stopped just like I did when I use to believe Jesus Christ was coming back, only to find that that He was with with me already and other believers maintaing his unseen kingdom that resides in believers...
People experience all kinds of different things in life, be a school shooting or whatever, someone gets raped...
You know through different experiences in life, can lead you to God, wiether they are good experiences or really terribly bad experinces
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For Iamsoandso ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDziTb00808 The teacher I listen to has been doing revelation for a good while, He is only Revelation chapter 17, maybe we can find out the answers together, It's just part 1, and there is part 2, and there are many more other videos that He has done on the Holy Bible, He is a full-preterist, and idk. I figured I would share it, He is a brother in Christ Jesus, and God sent Him in my life, and has helped me learn a whole lot about the bible.
God bless inb4 ban, I hope I dont but yeah. I love being different, God bless my friends in Christ Jesus.
God bless inb4 ban, I hope I dont but yeah.
I love being different, God bless my friends in Christ Jesus.
By believing and teaching this alone puts you in the same state Hymenaeus and Philetus and is therefore detrimental to ones salvation.
I teach the same Gospel, that Lord Jesus Christ came down from heaven, lived on this earth and died, for the sins of the world, and was risen again by God. Whatever you want to say, My salvation is by my faith alone in Christ Jesus and not on my own merit but that of God's Grace, and unmerited favor.
I just believe He already came already...
For Iamsoandso ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDziTb00808 The teacher I listen to has been doing revelation for a good while, He is only Revelation chapter 17, maybe we can find out the answers together, It's just part 1, and there is part 2, and there are many more other videos that He has done on the Holy Bible, He is a full-preterist, and idk. I figured I would share it, He is a brother in Christ Jesus, and God sent Him in my life, and has helped me learn a whole lot about the bible.
God bless inb4 ban, I hope I dont but yeah. I love being different but we are all the same in our faith in Christ Jesus, God bless my friends in Christ Jesus.
@ Ah Ahwatukee my friend in Christ Jesus , we believe in Fulfillment eschatology not futuristic eschatology my friend. Everything has been fulfilled by Christ Jesus
God bless inb4 ban, I hope I dont but yeah.
I love being different but we are all the same in our faith in Christ Jesus, God bless my friends in Christ Jesus.@ Ah Ahwatukee my friend in Christ Jesus , we believe in Fulfillment eschatology not futuristic eschatology my friend. Everything has been fulfilled by Christ Jesus
Locutus also is FP and although I am not (I'm outside the camps) I count him and his opinion of great value. At first there was a little friction but that worked it's self out because of something, that is he wont say that he knows something he does not(he's honest) which to me means that he's not wanting to just "win" unless he's fully convinced. That's why he brought the mark up(knew I was going there) which is the whole point as in your post #82 where you say "Nero is the beast/mark ect" which means all that is written in Rev.17,,,10 horns, 7th head,two horned beast ect. would all then be "prior" to Revelation 17:11 for Nero to be the 8th.
You're missing the point! Scripture states that when Christ returns there will be world-wide peace. Scripture also states that Jesus will rule with a rod of iron and that those in Christ would rule over the nations with him:
"And to the one who is victorious and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations. He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery—just as I have received authority from My Father."
In order for Jesus to have returned, you would have to ignore the above. And that's just one of many of the characteristics that will exist during the millennial period. Here's are some others:
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The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together;and a little child will lead them.
The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
The infant will play near the cobra’s den, and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea. - Isaiah 11:6-9
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The gist of the scripture above, is that during the millennial period the world will be at peace. There will be no more prey and predatory animals, which is what is meant by the prey and predator animals and their young lying down together, as well as the lion eating straw like the Ox. In addition is the mention of a young child playing near a Cobra's den and not being hurt at all. This is to give us an idea of the state of peace during the millennial period, which you and your teacher ignore.
During the millennial kingdom the age of humans will be like it was prior to the flood, which is demonstrated in the scripture that if a man dies at a hundred years old he will be thought to be a mere child or to be accursed. Today, it is amazing if people even make it to 80 much less a hundred.
None of these characteristics currently exist. In order to justify them, you have spiritualize, allegorize or just plain ignore them all together. Of all the groups that you could have attached yourself to, you chose one of the most deceptive and destructive false teachings in the world, preterism.
"And to the one who is victorious and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations. He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery—just as I have received authority from My Father."
In order for Jesus to have returned, you would have to ignore the above. And that's just one of many of the characteristics that will exist during the millennial period. Here's are some others:
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The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together;and a little child will lead them.
The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
The infant will play near the cobra’s den, and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea. - Isaiah 11:6-9
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The gist of the scripture above, is that during the millennial period the world will be at peace. There will be no more prey and predatory animals, which is what is meant by the prey and predator animals and their young lying down together, as well as the lion eating straw like the Ox. In addition is the mention of a young child playing near a Cobra's den and not being hurt at all. This is to give us an idea of the state of peace during the millennial period, which you and your teacher ignore.
During the millennial kingdom the age of humans will be like it was prior to the flood, which is demonstrated in the scripture that if a man dies at a hundred years old he will be thought to be a mere child or to be accursed. Today, it is amazing if people even make it to 80 much less a hundred.
None of these characteristics currently exist. In order to justify them, you have spiritualize, allegorize or just plain ignore them all together. Of all the groups that you could have attached yourself to, you chose one of the most deceptive and destructive false teachings in the world, preterism.
Well then, I guess that we can just tear out all of the rest of the pages in the Bible and just keep the one that says, "Christ crucified, buried and resurrected," because we don't need to believe in the rest of what His word says. Just because you say "Lord, Lord" does not mean that you are believing in the true savior. For there are many lords, and many gospels, but only one true Lord and true gospel.
You say that you believe in Christ, but you don't believe in his word?
And that belief and teaching will keep you out of the kingdom of God. As usual, you're not listening. Did I not just tell you about those two men who believed the same as you and what Paul said about their status?
There were also some who were troubling the Thessalonians with the teaching that the resurrection had already taken place and they wrote to Paul regarding this. They knew the teaching regarding the resurrection of the dead and the living being changed and caught up and basically wanted to know that, if the resurrection had already taken place, why were they still on the earth? The sad thing about this is that where the Thessalonians knew the teaching, if you were to tell people today that the resurrection had already taken place, they wouldn't bat an eye and that because they don't read the word of God, know the teaching or hold to it. Back in Paul's time it could destroy the faith of some because it would make them think that they missed it for what ever reason and therefore would have only the wrath of God to endure.
You say that you believe that Christ died for your sins, you do good. And if you believe that, then believe in the rest of his word as well, because the things that you are believing in are contrary to His word.
I will continue to pray that God will open your eyes and help you escape from this teaching.
You say that you believe in Christ, but you don't believe in his word?
And that belief and teaching will keep you out of the kingdom of God. As usual, you're not listening. Did I not just tell you about those two men who believed the same as you and what Paul said about their status?
There were also some who were troubling the Thessalonians with the teaching that the resurrection had already taken place and they wrote to Paul regarding this. They knew the teaching regarding the resurrection of the dead and the living being changed and caught up and basically wanted to know that, if the resurrection had already taken place, why were they still on the earth? The sad thing about this is that where the Thessalonians knew the teaching, if you were to tell people today that the resurrection had already taken place, they wouldn't bat an eye and that because they don't read the word of God, know the teaching or hold to it. Back in Paul's time it could destroy the faith of some because it would make them think that they missed it for what ever reason and therefore would have only the wrath of God to endure.
You say that you believe that Christ died for your sins, you do good. And if you believe that, then believe in the rest of his word as well, because the things that you are believing in are contrary to His word.
I will continue to pray that God will open your eyes and help you escape from this teaching.
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Like many subjects this question is bound together with other aspects of a theological system of interpretation. For those who buy into whole of the Pre Trib Dispensationalist view a literal 1000 year earthly kingdom is essential because without it their whole 'house of cards' collapses. The foundational belief is that there are two separate plans of salvation for Jews and Gentiles In this system Jews can be saved by observance of the Law which includes a Temple, animal sacrifices and Priesthood. They are supposed to rule the world with Christ seated on a literal throne for 1000 years. In order for God to turn his attention back to the Jews the Church has to be removed from the Earth before the tribulation starts When Christ returns Israel will finally be saved. This belief ignores Christs teaching about having one Sheepfold, All of Pauls teaching on the subject and treats Christs shed blood at Calvary as something worthless.
The whole plan of God revealed in the Bible is for us to return to the relationship with him that Adam lost. There is to be a new Heaven and a New Earth and we will all live in Paradise forever
The whole plan of God revealed in the Bible is for us to return to the relationship with him that Adam lost. There is to be a new Heaven and a New Earth and we will all live in Paradise forever
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