Will The Ten Lost Tribes Return?

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Rondonmon

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There are about a thousand opinions and one truth. Martin Trench has a decent video on the ten tribes on You Tube. There used to be an excellent one that connected ancient Samaria with my family tree, but it was removed.
I will listen to anyone on anything. I am a Christan for 35 years. I understand that the Universe is 13.7 billion years old and that God states in Genesis there was Darkness on the face of the deep, and that the WMAP mapped out the Universe and the first 400 million years was complete darkness, thus God is always correct. God's first day (YOWM/Time period) was 9.2 billion years, we know this because our earth is 4.5 billion years old. (This kind of shows you I don't follow men bit God and facts)

THE POINT, God says He has saved himself, 7000 men. So, God has saved a branch of Israel for His Glories sake nit because of anything they did. The number 12 = Fulness, the numbers 10 and 7 always = Completeness. When god TIMES anything by 10 or 100 or 1000 it always means He is emphasizing COMPLETENESS or FULLNESS. For instance, the 144,000 are not 144,000 men else God would have to precisely choose a certainty number, that is not in God's nature. 12 (FULNESS) x 12 x 10 (COMPLETENESS) x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or ALL Israel who repent. A day is like 1000 years unto God simple means God is telling us He is ETERNAL, not a 1000 years, one day is like Eternity to God, here is why, God loves on ALL TIME at once, He lives in the beginning and the end, He is the Alpha and Omega. The 10 Horns and Toes are not 10, they simply mean ALL Europe at any given time, be it 1 Rome be it 5 nations, or be it 27 as ot was with England or 26 now. God stated they will be DIVIDED, unto after Israel is reborn, try as they might the 1 could never reunite, even by the SEED of Men (Royal Marriage). In Rev. 2:10 it states that Smyrna would have Tribulation for 10 days, well that means for the complete Church Age, not 10 days. We have the 10 Commandments that stand in fr all God's Laws etc. etc.

We have 7 Eyes and 7 Spirits in Revelation, which simply means God SEES ALL and God is EVERYWHERE, or Omnipotent.

The point is God didn't say he was going to regather Israel as a Nation, then go find the lost tribes. Go read it, it says SPECIFICALLY that God regathers the WHOLE HOUSE OF Israel when he brings them out of all the nations. WATCH:

Ezekiel 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. 11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Now, who does God gather from all the Nations according to God Himself? The WHOLE HOSE of Israel !! Not just Judah.

The problem is Satan is a SNEAKY LIAR....Thou shalt not surely die !!
 

JaumeJ

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The sun and the moon, the stars and the planets, were not here to divide what came to be known as time for they were all spoken into existence in the time God says they were.

Having studied structural geology and some more, I understand the geologic columnn, that is time scale..
I apply theories of mankind with understanding to some degree, but I believe God only.

It is a terrible thing to destroy oneself with what is called knowledge. True knowledge can only come from God.
 

Rondonmon

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The sun and the moon, the stars and the planets, were not here to divide what came to be known as time for they were all spoken into existence in the time God says they were.

Having studied structural geology and some more, I understand the geologic columnn, that is time scale..
I apply theories of mankind with understanding to some degree, but I believe God only.

It is a terrible thing to destroy oneself with what is called knowledge. True knowledge can only come from God.
That was a bunch of jumbled nothing as for as information brother. Genesis SPECIFICALLY says that God created TIME for us via this Universe, the reason God has no need of being created is He doesn't come from our universe, He created our universe for us.

This is why the Earth and Moon crashed into each other. We got the mass on eath of both spheres when they crashed, and the earth also got a Satellite that creates our ORDERLY WEATHER, thus we get nights and days that are orderly. Without the moon, we would have too violent weather for life on this earth. Thus God did not create the Lights on day 4, he did that on days 1 and 2. God Created our Nights and Days on day four or OUR SEASONS.

Einstein proved TIME is curved via his theory of relativity, which was later proven.
 

JaumeJ

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]That was a bunch of jumbled nothing as for as information brother.

I could say the same. God says seven days; it is seven days.
 
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Jesus the Christ...Yeshua hamashiach...whichever you choose...His name is wonderful!
 

Omegatime

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In the times of Jesus only two tribes lived all year in Israel, Judah and tribe of Benjamin. Only during the feasts of Passover, Pentecost and Feast of Tabernacles did jewish members of the other 10 tribes showed up. Acts 2 tells of the many countries that these jewish tribes came from.

8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9 Par′thians and Medes and E′lamites and residents of Mesopota′mia, Judea and Cappado′cia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phryg′ia and Pamphyl′ia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyre′ne, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabians, we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 1
 

Rondonmon

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In the times of Jesus only two tribes lived all year in Israel, Judah and tribe of Benjamin. Only during the feasts of Passover, Pentecost and Feast of Tabernacles did jewish members of the other 10 tribes showed up. Acts 2 tells of the many countries that these jewish tribes came from.

8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9 Par′thians and Medes and E′lamites and residents of Mesopota′mia, Judea and Cappado′cia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phryg′ia and Pamphyl′ia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyre′ne, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabians, we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 1
All the tribes lived there, whether you understand that or not is not important to the facts.
 
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When the Mede/Persian army defeated the Assyrians, the house of Israel were told they could stay where they were, go back to Israel, or do whatever they wanted. Most went up through the Caucasus mountains, and headed north and west from there.
During Jesus' time, there were remnants of the house of Israel living in Samaria, though the Assyrian king had made sure to mix their race as a way of destroying the northern kingdom Hebrew race. As well, there were the minority that had returned from Assyria.
 
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Rondonmon,

Things are not true because you say so. Right. Without investigating Ron Wyatt you are just arrogant. It’s archaeology you can see with your own eyes and is undeniable. But because your arrogance thinking if you have not been exposed to it by now it must not be true cayse you know most everything it seems. The rock that God Moses split is in Saudi Arabia right where Ron found it amd there is evidence In the rock art and area the Hebrews were there. When the Arabs found this out that there was evidence of the Jews history there, they fenced it off to where no one can go there now. But it still was caught on video. That’s just one of the archaeology finds proving things the world and apparently you are not aware of that Ron found. A humble man no one really heard of.

As far as 10 tribes you know that God promised Israel that his descendents be as many as the sands of the sea and all corners of the world and to make many nations right? You think that is fulfilled by just being in Jerusalem? You know it’s documented that Assyria took captive the kingdom of Israel the ten tribes? They then dispersed throughout all the world to fulfill that prophecy. If you are saying there are individuals from all tribes in Jerusalem at that time that could be true. But if you are saying all the people of Israel all tribes in all the world were only in Jerusalem or Israel lands that is rediculous. Also did Solomon not have hundreds of wives from all different countries? One for certain was Sheba who was Erhiopian. That’s why they still have oral tradition there. They didn’t just say one day let’s act like we have Jewish tradition. You think Solomon had children with these wives? Also did Solomon not make israel marry with these people as well? Yes he did. In Africa alone that is countless Israelite descendents.
 

Rondonmon

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When the Mede/Persian army defeated the Assyrians, the house of Israel were told they could stay where they were, go back to Israel, or do whatever they wanted. Most went up through the Caucasus mountains, and headed north and west from there.
During Jesus' time, there were remnants of the house of Israel living in Samaria, though the Assyrian king had made sure to mix their race as a way of destroying the northern kingdom Hebrew race. As well, there were the minority that had returned from Assyria.
We know many Israelites didn't want to return, that is one reason in Daniel 9:1-21 God told Daniel that their judgment was no not just the 70 years Jeremiah prophesied, but was now multiplied unto 70 x 7 because of their continued sins, even though God as going to deliver them after 70 years in Babylon, JUDGMENT was still upon Israel because they had yet to REPNT. So, you are not telling me anything I do not know, your problem is you think because part of the seed left or stayed or was TOTED off by Assyria that THE SEED was lost, that is preposterous. So, when Esau went his separate way did Jacob not still remain? Likewise, when these people stayed in Babylon or thereabout when the 10 tribes were toted off but they each had SEED (do you understand what seed means? it means PEOPLE who are of that tribe who HAVE KIDS and thus they are still in the Nation and NOT LOST) living in Jerusalem. So, all 12 tribes had HUMSN BEINGS/People living in Jerusalem at the time the 10 tribes were toted off, and all 10 tribes had seed that returned from each tribe, else God has lied when he aid I have saved me 7000 people, which just means the COMPLETE NUMBER THEREOF. Just like the 7 Eyes and 7 Spirits means God SEES ALL and is OMNIPOTENT.

Again, proof you can't refute, God's own Holy Word says you are wrong. When God brings Israel out of the heathen nations he says that those he brings back to life from Dead Men's Bones are the (READ IT NOW) The WHOLE HOUSE OF Israel !!

Ezekiel 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. 11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

So, is God in the KNOW, or are you in the REAL KNOW?

God says VERY CLEARLY here, that those that He brought into Israel in these latter times (1948) via breathing on those Dead Men's Bones are the WHOLE HOUSE OF Israel. He doesn't say they are just Judah, or FAKE Israelis, God Himself says that those he breathed life back into are the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel !!

That makes you wrong doesn't it brother? You guys have been warned, you are spreading falsehoods on God's own word. STOP IT.

Rondonmon,

Things are not true because you say so. Right. Without investigating Ron Wyatt you are just arrogant. It’s archaeology you can see with your own eyes and is undeniable. But because your arrogance thinking if you have not been exposed to it by now it must not be true cayse you know most everything it seems. The rock that God Moses split is in Saudi Arabia right where Ron found it amd there is evidence In the rock art and area the Hebrews were there. When the Arabs found this out that there was evidence of the Jews history there, they fenced it off to where no one can go there now. But it still was caught on video. That’s just one of the archaeology finds proving things the world and apparently you are not aware of that Ron found. A humble man no one really heard of.

As far as 10 tribes you know that God promised Israel that his descendents be as many as the sands of the sea and all corners of the world and to make many nations right? You think that is fulfilled by just being in Jerusalem? You know it’s documented that Assyria took captive the kingdom of Israel the ten tribes? They then dispersed throughout all the world to fulfill that prophecy. If you are saying there are individuals from all tribes in Jerusalem at that time that could be true. But if you are saying all the people of Israel all tribes in all the world were only in Jerusalem or Israel lands that is rediculous. Also did Solomon not have hundreds of wives from all different countries? One for certain was Sheba who was Erhiopian. That’s why they still have oral tradition there. They didn’t just say one day let’s act like we have Jewish tradition. You think Solomon had children with these wives? Also did Solomon not make israel marry with these people as well? Yes he did. In Africa alone that is countless Israelite descendents.
I follow the Holy Word, not Ron Wyatt. The Holy Word says Gid brought the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel back unto Israel. If Ron Wyatt thinks differently he is wrong, PERIOD. I don't follow men.

The WORD proves that Israel is the WHOLE HOSE of Israel. Reading the bible and discerning it is all we need.
 
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We know many Israelites didn't want to return, that is one reason in Daniel 9:1-21 God told Daniel that their judgment was no not just the 70 years Jeremiah prophesied, but was now multiplied unto 70 x 7 because of their continued sins, even though God as going to deliver them after 70 years in Babylon, JUDGMENT was still upon Israel because they had yet to REPNT. So, you are not telling me anything I do not know, your problem is you think because part of the seed left or stayed or was TOTED off by Assyria that THE SEED was lost, that is preposterous. So, when Esau went his separate way did Jacob not still remain? Likewise, when these people stayed in Babylon or thereabout when the 10 tribes were toted off but they each had SEED (do you understand what seed means? it means PEOPLE who are of that tribe who HAVE KIDS and thus they are still in the Nation and NOT LOST) living in Jerusalem. So, all 12 tribes had HUMSN BEINGS/People living in Jerusalem at the time the 10 tribes were toted off, and all 10 tribes had seed that returned from each tribe, else God has lied when he aid I have saved me 7000 people, which just means the COMPLETE NUMBER THEREOF. Just like the 7 Eyes and 7 Spirits means God SEES ALL and is OMNIPOTENT.

Again, proof you can't refute, God's own Holy Word says you are wrong. When God brings Israel out of the heathen nations he says that those he brings back to life from Dead Men's Bones are the (READ IT NOW) The WHOLE HOUSE OF Israel !!

Ezekiel 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. 11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

So, is God in the KNOW, or are you in the REAL KNOW?

God says VERY CLEARLY here, that those that He brought into Israel in these latter times (1948) via breathing on those Dead Men's Bones are the WHOLE HOUSE OF Israel. He doesn't say they are just Judah, or FAKE Israelis, God Himself says that those he breathed life back into are the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel !!

That makes you wrong doesn't it brother? You guys have been warned, you are spreading falsehoods on God's own word. STOP IT.



I follow the Holy Word, not Ron Wyatt. The Holy Word says Gid brought the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel back unto Israel. If Ron Wyatt thinks differently he is wrong, PERIOD. I don't follow men.

The WORD proves that Israel is the WHOLE HOSE of Israel. Reading the bible and discerning it is all we need.
That's one way of looking at it. Shalom.
 
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After the Hebrews were freed by the Mede-Persian army, most headed north and west, passing through the Caucasus mountains. Most of them kept going in a north-westerly direction for a few thousand years, segments breaking off as they went.
They passed through central Europe, keeping their north-westerly trajectory. They went up into Scandinavia and finally ended up in what is now Norway. From here they went to what is now called Normandy around the year 1500.
I'd suggest that anyone who is interested in learning solid facts about this complicated, and contentious subject, should check out Yair Davidiy. He is an ultra-orthodox Jewish scholar who believes that when the tribes return, the church should come with them.
He says it's almost like there are two covenants.
But be forewarned; you will find this challenging, to say the least, and should probably be left to the mature.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Will the Ten Lost Tribes be recognized in the future, and be a fulfillment of Revelation 17:12 Below?

Revelation 17:12KJV
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Wikipedia: Ten Lost Tribes
The ten lost tribes were the ten of the Twelve Tribes of Israel that were said to have been deported from the Kingdom of Israel after its conquest by the Neo-Assyrian Empire circa 722 BCE.[1][2] These are the tribes of Reuben, Simeon, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Manasseh, and Ephraim; all but Judah and Benjamin (as well as some members of Levi, the priestly tribe, which did not have its own territory). The Jewish historian Josephus (37–100 CE) wrote that "the ten tribes are beyond the Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude and not to be estimated in numbers".

In the 7th and 8th centuries CE, the return of the lost tribes was associated with the concept of the coming of the messiah :58–62 Claims of descent from the "lost tribes" have been proposed in relation to many groups, and some religions espouse a messianic view that the tribes will return.
I’m not sure but I know that all twelve tribes are recognized here

“And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and many of the faithful of those twelve tribes recognized here to use those gates attended by angels to enter into the kingdom

“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

rayzor

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I’m not sure but I know that all twelve tribes are recognized here

“And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and many of the faithful of those twelve tribes recognized here to use those gates attended by angels to enter into the kingdom

“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬
14 tribes many do not no this
 

rayzor

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1 Reuben 8 Naphtali
2 Simeon 9 Joseph
3 Judah 10 Benjamin
4 Zebulun 11 Gad
5 Issachar 12 Levi
6 Dan 13 Manasseh
7 Asher 14 Ephraim
 

Pilgrimshope

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14 tribes many do not no this
yeah i think I was speaking of these twelve recognized in the heavens who are sealed forever

“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:4-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Now if we are wanting to determine how those names ended up there and certain others did not it’s explained in scripture regarding Joseph’s double portion and his two sons , and others transgressions and idolatry , if you really think about it , where did Dan Go and why ?

Scripture holds some interesting things . Some are rather complex , such as how those names ended up in eternity and others didn’t , dan being the most mysterious of all .

my only point was that I think the names on those gates attended by angels there in the kingdom will have the above 12 names
 

Pilgrimshope

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interesting starting point for Dan

“Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.

Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭49:16-17‬ ‭

the original blessings in genesis of Israel’s 12 sons is the place to start
 

rayzor

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yeah i think I was speaking of these twelve recognized in the heavens who are sealed forever

“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:4-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Now if we are wanting to determine how those names ended up there and certain others did not it’s explained in scripture regarding Joseph’s double portion and his two sons , and others transgressions and idolatry , if you really think about it , where did Dan Go and why ?

Scripture holds some interesting things . Some are rather complex , such as how those names ended up in eternity and others didn’t , dan being the most mysterious of all .

my only point was that I think the names on those gates attended by angels there in the kingdom will have the above 12 names
Uh-huh Ephraim & Dan not part of the plan!
 

rayzor

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Amen and for good reason
Personally i think god uses broken rhythm.We get into the pattern that feeds our pride rather then grace.thus we become like a savant like,,,like a computer.So sometime god will break patterns in the bible