Wine???

[Bladerunner]

I recently had a Christian tell me that Jesus didn't drink wine. That He drank grape juice. So I guess did Jesus turn water into wine or grape juice?

It goes along with the replacement theology....Nothing the Bible tells you is true unless you get it from you pastor or priest first.

Here is part of an article written about 2016 and how they fell into the Biblical prophecies of old.

"2) The great falling away didn't stop falling in 2016. Many evangelical churches became nothing more than advocates for open borders and multiculturalism. The social gospel made such giant inroads and salvation issues became unrecognizable. Emergent/Postmodernism raged. Other churches fell into lukewarmness. Hardly any would deal with the issues of the day or the Lord's return. "

Bible Prophecy Stories of 2016
By Jan Markell
December 30, 2015 [/SIZE]

Top Prophecy Stories of 2016

 

[Bladerunner]

I drink occasionally. But I don't do it to the extent of (or for the purpose of) getting drunk.

When drinking socially getting drunk every now and then well......is going to happen....

When drinking to drown your soul or sorrows and is quit different. A 'drunkard' the Bible does not like.

 

[Magenta]

It goes along with the replacement theology....Nothing the Bible tells you is true unless you get it from you pastor or priest first.

Here is part of an article written about 2016 and how they fell into the Biblical prophecies of old.

"2) The great falling away didn't stop falling in 2016. Many evangelical churches became nothing more than advocates for open borders and multiculturalism. The social gospel made such giant inroads and salvation issues became unrecognizable. Emergent/Postmodernism raged. Other churches fell into lukewarmness. Hardly any would deal with the issues of the day or the Lord's return. "

Bible Prophecy Stories of 2016
By Jan Markell
December 30, 2015

Top Prophecy Stories of 2016

Jan Markell... I hear her sometimes on Olive Tree Views late Saturday nights when I am driving home from my daughter's place. Her program is always interesting. As to the forced migration of Muslims into European countries... Hopefully there are not too many left who mindlessly say things like "Islam is a religion of peace!" But the leftist propaganda machine keeps churning out the coverups and lies. It is pretty disgusting.

 

[Magenta]

Would you prefer it to have been a fornicators ring?

Um... the topic was drinking? How did premarital sexual relations get in there?

Seriously, I never knew what your ring was for. I have tried enlarging it to
read the writing but I can't really make it out. Make it out, not making out

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

I figure that.

Probably wouldn't be hard for me to find a picture of a newlyweds enjoying a glass of wine.

I'll stick with the picture of my abstinence ring, though.

Is that what that is?

Would you prefer it to have been a fornicators ring?

Um... the topic was drinking? How did premarital sexual relations get in there?

Seriously, I never knew what your ring was for. I have tried enlarging it to
read the writing but I can't really make it out. Make it out, not making out

When you wrote "Is that was that is" you included a little face that looks shocked.

Shouldn't be shocked about abstinence. Hence, the sarcastic comment about fornication.

Kept the thread on topic otherwise, I think.

TLW! = True Love Waits!

 

[Magenta]

When you wrote "Is that was that is" you included a little face that looks shocked.
Shouldn't be shocked about abstinence. Hence, the sarcastic comment about fornication.
Kept the thread on topic otherwise, I think.
TLW! = True Love Waits!

I thought perhaps you meant a ring about abstaining from drinking. I have of course heard of purity rings and other such things that show a promising return to values largely sadly seemingly eschewed by "modern" youth. Nor was I so wise in my youth. Youth, some say, is wasted on the young But, good on you!

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

I thought perhaps you meant a ring about abstaining from drinking. I have of course heard of purity rings and other such things that show a promising return to values largely sadly seemingly eschewed by "modern" youth. Nor was I so wise in my youth. Youth, some say, is wasted on the young But, good on you!

I thought perhaps you meant a ring about abstaining from drinking. Hadn't thought about a ring for that type of abstinence or heard of it. Interesting concept!

 

[tanakh]

Following my last thread there are some good reasons some Churches don't use real wine. They may be reaching out to Alcoholics and feel that using wine might lead them back to drinking. Other people for some reason unrelated to their faith
abstain from Alcohol. My Sister in law can drink it because it makes her ill. Its some sort of allergic reaction she has. In those cases using Grape Juice is an acceptable alternative. What I don't find acceptable are congregations that use substitutes like Ribena. There is no excuse for this as far as I can see.

 

[Magenta]

Do some simple research into what months grapes were picked for wine, and compare those months with other times the Bible tells of wine being consumed.

Since they had no refrigeration in those days, it stands to reason that their wine would ferment into alcohol rather quickly..... staying just grape juice for only a few weeks, or so. This whole nonsense is completely debunked by the many, many times the Bible refers to people getting drunk off the stuff.

My dad used to make barrels of apple cider to sell at fairs in southern Ontario in the fall. We sold produce year round at farmer's markets, but the fall fairs were a real treat because they were not like the weekly farmer's markets, which in turn were not really anything like the farmer's markets of today It did not take very long at all for the cider to start fermenting, and getting a little fizzy, making one a little tipsy in the process A matter of days, really...

 

[tanakh]

Following my last thread there are some good reasons some Churches don't use real wine. They may be reaching out to Alcoholics and feel that using wine might lead them back to drinking. Other people for some reason unrelated to their faith
abstain from Alcohol. My Sister in law can drink it because it makes her ill. Its some sort of allergic reaction she has. In those cases using Grape Juice is an acceptable alternative. What I don't find acceptable are congregations that use substitutes like Ribena. There is no excuse for this as far as I can see.

 

[Magenta]

Following my last thread there are some good reasons some Churches don't use real wine. They may be reaching out to Alcoholics and feel that using wine might lead them back to drinking. Other people for some reason unrelated to their faith
abstain from Alcohol. My Sister in law can drink it because it makes her ill. Its some sort of allergic reaction she has. In those cases using Grape Juice is an acceptable alternative. What I don't find acceptable are congregations that use substitutes like Ribena. There is no excuse for this as far as I can see.

What is Ribena? I have been to churches where they give you options. Are you a recovering alcoholic? Try our grape juice. Wine does not pose a problem for you? Have some wine with your bread or cracker. It is all symbolic anyways. We do it in remembrance of He Who gave His life that we might have a life more abundant. By the grace of God I am a recovered alcoholic, but I would not have a problem ingesting a small amount of wine at a church communion service, nor would I need to consider it any kind of a relapse to imbibe such a small amount under such circumstances... but I do understand and sympathize with those for whom it may pose a problem.

 

[Adstar]

I recently had a Christian tell me that Jesus didn't drink wine. That He drank grape juice. So I guess did Jesus turn water into wine or grape juice?

A Non-Biblical tradition of men has been created by people who are against all forms of alcohol drinking that when the inspired word of God says that Jesus turned water into wine that in fact the Inspired word of God is telling lies and that Jesus turned water into grape juice... The thinking of men says that if getting drunk is bad ( a biblicaly based truth) then drinking any alcohol beverage in any amount must also be bad.. It's like the muslims and their modest dress code.. If it is bad to dress immodestly then it is better if woman are fully covered from head to toe and then it becomes a rule for their woman to dress that way.. The thinking of men create their own doctrines and overstep the bounds of what the Bible actually says..

It is up to people to read the Word of God themselves and determine what doctrines going around are in alignment with the Word of God and what doctrines are man made doctrines that have no place in the Word of God..

 

[Demi777]

Hahahahaha
Okay so I bet when he made and drank the wine at the wedding they got drunk on juice..plus the simple fact that grape juice goes bad and to prevent that they drank and carried wine.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Following my last thread there are some good reasons some Churches don't use real wine. They may be reaching out to Alcoholics and feel that using wine might lead them back to drinking. Other people for some reason unrelated to their faith
abstain from Alcohol. My Sister in law can drink it because it makes her ill. Its some sort of allergic reaction she has. In those cases using Grape Juice is an acceptable alternative. What I don't find acceptable are congregations that use substitutes like Ribena. There is no excuse for this as far as I can see.

I was a strict Southern Baptist decades ago, moving to an apartment next door to a Jewish couple. They invited us to their Passover celebration at their synagogue. I was handed a skullcap, a very new experience for me. Everything went well, was very interesting, until my wine glass was half-filled with alcoholic wine. I told my host we couldn't take part in that as Baptists. They had no problem with our choice, but my wife could only take another 5 minutes at the table before tugging on me to leave with her.

Later we learned a lot more from our neighbor. The wine they served was quite expensive, special for the occasion. It was diluted out of the bottles, the alcohol content similar to that of cough syrup. The process involved in making high alcohol content wine is quite challenging, the demand for that high in America, and curiously makes up the bulk of cheap sweet wine that actually can taste like seder wine ought to taste like. A few small servings of their wine would not result in anyone getting drunk, or falling into foul speech, or red eyes. The expensive low alcohol wine is diluted to also bring the cost down. It's initial quality permits dilution without sacrificing taste.

When my wife found one of their empty wine bottles in the trash can we shared, we started off avoiding the neighbors, judging them in ignorance. Over time we got over all that enough to learn those people didn't abuse food like we did. We had already observed they were quite slim and healthy, yet the aroma of their meals made us extremely hungry for it. We declined their invitations for months at first, to our loss. Our church specialized in fattening potluck dinners after many Sunday services, attended regularly by some of the fattest people in our town, including me back then. Our cooks were excellent at making it possible to remain overweight.

It took a while, but I finally realized we were quick to condemn wine users, while ignoring the Bible concerning gluttony.

Should we prohibit food like wine since it can be abused? What to do? Decline cheap high-alcohol content wine that was deliberately made that way. Don't violate your conscience anyway, nor cause a bystander to lose their faith. Politely refuse it while not condemning anyone over any food or drink that can't defile us if taken with thanksgiving, and not unto drunkeness nor excessive obesity due to overindulgence.

Read Mark 7.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

It is very likely that Jesus made alcoholic wine.

however, if a person chooses not to drink alcohol, good for them! It IS after all more or less a poison

 

[MadebyHim]

[h=4]Bible search results[/h]Leviticus 10:9
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Numbers 6:3
He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Numbers 28:7
And the drink offering thereof shall be the fourth part of an hin for the one lamb: in the holy place shalt thou cause the strong wine to be poured unto the Lord for a drink offering.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Deuteronomy 14:26
And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Deuteronomy 29:6
Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink: that ye might know that I am the Lord your God.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Judges 13:4
Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Judges 13:7
But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean thing: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

 

[MadebyHim]

Judges 13:14
She may not eat of any thing that cometh of the vine, neither let her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing: all that I commanded her let her observe.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

1 Samuel 1:15
And Hannah answered and said, No, my lord, I am a woman of a sorrowful spirit: I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my soul before the Lord.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Proverbs 31:4
It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Proverbs 31:6
Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Isaiah 5:11
Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Isaiah 5:22
Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Isaiah 24:9
They shall not drink wine with a song; strong drink shall be bitter to them that drink it.

 

[MadebyHim]

Isaiah 28:7
But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Isaiah 29:9
Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Isaiah 56:12
Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Micah 2:11
If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, saying, I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this people.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

 

[dcontroversal]

That's the way I feel about coffee. Stuff tastes awful.

Roughly 83% of those in the USA disagree with me, though.

Doesn't make them wrong.

Look to the lef..uhhh...statistics for evidence.

Coffee is good if you drink it the way I do...8 creamers and 8 sugars HAHAHAH

 

[tourist]

Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Pro 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

Pro 31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink.

It would be hard to believe Jesus drank wine,seeing He is king,and prince of peace according to His humanity,and always led of the Spirit.

It would appear if God allowed us to drink wine that it would be a temptation because we might want to drink more,and even cops say buzzed driving is drunk driving.

God did not say you can steal a piece of bubblegum,but do not steal a car,or you can kiss a woman,but do not fornicate,so why would God allow us to drink a little fermented grape juice,but do not drink a lot,and it would appear as it would be a temptation,for how many people stopped at being a little buzzed.

Also what does fermented grape juice have to do with living for the kingdom of God when the Holy Spirit is the Comforter,and Jesus gives us joy that no person takes away,and peace that passes all understanding,and God gives us power,love,and a sound mind,and cast your cares upon God for He cares for you,and take Jesus' yoke upon you,and you will find rest for your souls,for His yoke is easy,and His burden is light.

Where does alcohol have a place in that condition of what we receive in the Spirit,for what would we need it for if it spiritual,not fleshy,and the Spirit is our Comforter,and Jesus was always led of the Spirit.

I could say in the Old Testament wine,for they could not have the Spirit,and could not perfectly live up to the moral laws,but in the New Testament it does not make sense to drink alcohol having the Spirit.

Not to debate,only trying to understand that I do not know how alcohol can take place in the New Testament having the Spirit available to us,but I can understand in the Old Testament that they could drink wine.

The first miracle Jesus performed was to turn water into wine at the wedding at Cana.