Woe to America!

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Before I write this, I must say I stand guilty as charged as well for being lukewarm about America. It's through the conviction of the Holy Spirit that I write this. I will focus on abortion in this thread.

What ticks me off is how Christians can be so blind to such wickedness in America! Where is the HATRED for sins in America these days? I'm talking BLATANT in your face sins! Are we too afraid to offend someone? Do we believe that we should be more "tolerant" of other ideas? Here are some sins that our nation try and find ways of justifying(sins such as these in Romans 1:28-32):

1)abortion(murder)
2)homosexuality
3)pride of America's wickedness
4)adultery

It makes me even more saddened to see America elect Barack Obama who supports abortion, among other things, like socialism/communism(I will focus on one aspect-abortion)! You were lectured by professors in college, read, and/or told by friends about how bad the holocaust of Hitler was. I'm going to tell America that they have sponsored a terrible holocaust for a long time! Abortion is murder! We have killed multitudes(more than all the major wars casualties put together, some estimates-50 million). America as a nation, elected an abortionist! To those who voted for him, have blood on their hands! The Word of God is clear about murder:

The Lord says he hates: "....hands that shed innocent blood," Proverbs 6:16-17
"Thou shalt not kill." Exodus 20:13

God will not bless nations who turn from God. Which is exactly what America has done. As a whole, America is so Godless today, if it weren't by God's mercy, He would consume it by fire and destruction! The Lord desires America repent(turn to the Savior Jesus in faith as the forgiver of their sins) and He is willing that none perishes(2 Peter 3:9).


"Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34

"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God." Psalm 9:17

"As a roaring lion, and a ranging bear; so is a wicked ruler over the poor people." Proverbs 28:15


Abel's blood cried out from the ground when he was murdered by Cain(Genesis 4:10). America is guilty as a cold-blooded murderer for butchering millions and millions of babies! And to those who support it and/or voted for an abortionist are guilty as well! The babies blood cry out to God! And He is hearing it!

Woe, not only to America, but to all nations in the world who choose sin and forget God!

Where are the Christians who HATE sin?(Psalm 97:10, Romans 12:9) Where are those who are standing up for God without compromise against wickedness and workers of iniquity?(Psalm 94:16, Ephesians 5:11) This is where we preach the gospel so that people will get help with their sins! Where are the Christians who are being persecuted for standing up for the Lord?(John 15:18-20, 2 Timothy 3:12, Matthew 5:10-12, 1 Peter 4:16)

"For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God" John 12:43
John 12:43 speaks of the Pharisees looking for man's praise more than the praise of God. Christians act like the Pharisees when they want more praise from man than from God. Where are the Christians who care less what their approval rating is by man, but seek the praise of God? Too many Christians today are conforming to the world becoming BLIND to things of righteousness! Which leads me back to this question. How could many professed Christians be blinded to the fact that Obama supported abortion? Was it because of ignorance? Or maybe because they just sit back and do nothing when they see wickedness? It's to no surprise that many who watch murderous/violent TV and play violent video games become NUMB to the realities of murder and evil!


"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14


When will we wake up? When will we humble ourselves before the Lord and pray? When will we seek His face? Oh, how often we forget what the Lord saved us from! When will we stop being partakers of wickedness by condoning it, accepting it as a nation? The Lord will heal our lands when us Christians rise up, stand apart from the world and pray! When we stand up boldly for Christ and preach against sin, we will win many souls for Christ! This is how our land will be healed! May the Lord change ALL our hearts, to be bold for Christ........He died for you and saved you from eternal punishment, a gift we do not deserve! Why is it so hard to show our graditude and love back to the Savior? He wants a people who are not swayed by public opinion but who boldly proclaim Him and His righteousness! Many in the Word were killed for standing up for Christ without compromise. We cannot compromise one ounce! We as Christians need to be a light unto the world!

"Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
Matthew 5:13-16


And in everything, do it in love and gentleness but WITHOUT compromise for the truth!
 
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roaringkitten, perhaps you or some other Americans could clear something up for me.
There seems to be two lines of thought in Christianity about the USA.
One the one hand, you have

a) those such as yourself who say America is wicked, God's judgement is coming etc etc.

On the other hand, you have

b) those who say America is the next best thing to sliced bread, God is looking favourably upon it, not with judgement, as His special messenger or servant to the world. And of course, no servant of God is perfect so I guess they look at America's problems as not being such a big deal.

From my observations, the majority of those in a) seem mostly to be traditional baptists, presbyterian etc.

Those in b) seem to be mostly pentecostals, particularly those in the signs/wonders movements.

Those in a), seem to be supported by people considered prophets, prophecying God's judgement and wrath upon America.

Those in b), seem to be supported by people considered prophets, prophecying good things and better things to come for America.


So out of these two, a) and b), who is doing God's will? Probably neither, they are too busy saying what is going to happen and what should happen. Those doing God's will are probably the Chinese.
 
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roaringkitten

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So out of these two, a) and b), who is doing God's will? Probably neither, they are too busy saying what is going to happen and what should happen. Those doing God's will are probably the Chinese.

For your first question, you only need the Word of God to answer it.

For the second commentary, you stereotype Chinese as those that are "probably doing God's will" without any basis within your commentary.
 
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For the second commentary, you stereotype Chinese as those that are "probably doing God's will" without any basis within your commentary.
Well, the basis is, apparently the church is growing very rapidly over there in China, whilst both sides of American christians in a) and b) as I outlined, are too busy saying what's what and what needs to be done. I have heard both a) and b) arguments from American christians for at least the past 10 years, yet nothing seems to have been done about it or improving.
 
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Before I write this, I must say I stand guilty as charged as well for being lukewarm about America. It's through the conviction of the Holy Spirit that I write this. I will focus on abortion in this thread.

What ticks me off is how Christians can be so blind to such wickedness in America! Where is the HATRED for sins in America these days? I'm talking BLATANT in your face sins! Are we too afraid to offend someone? Do we believe that we should be more "tolerant" of other ideas? Here are some sins that our nation try and find ways of justifying(sins such as these in Romans 1:28-32):

1)abortion(murder)
2)homosexuality
3)pride of America's wickedness
4)adultery

It makes me even more saddened to see America elect Barack Obama who supports abortion, among other things, like socialism/communism(I will focus on one aspect-abortion)! You were lectured by professors in college, read, and/or told by friends about how bad the holocaust of Hitler was. I'm going to tell America that they have sponsored a terrible holocaust for a long time! Abortion is murder! We have killed multitudes(more than all the major wars casualties put together, some estimates-50 million). America as a nation, elected an abortionist! To those who voted for him, have blood on their hands! The Word of God is clear about murder:

The Lord says he hates: "....hands that shed innocent blood," Proverbs 6:16-17
"Thou shalt not kill." Exodus 20:13

God will not bless nations who turn from God. Which is exactly what America has done. As a whole, America is so Godless today, if it weren't by God's mercy, He would consume it by fire and destruction! The Lord desires America repent(turn to the Savior Jesus in faith as the forgiver of their sins) and He is willing that none perishes(2 Peter 3:9).


"Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34

"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God." Psalm 9:17

"As a roaring lion, and a ranging bear; so is a wicked ruler over the poor people." Proverbs 28:15


Abel's blood cried out from the ground when he was murdered by Cain(Genesis 4:10). America is guilty as a cold-blooded murderer for butchering millions and millions of babies! And to those who support it and/or voted for an abortionist are guilty as well! The babies blood cry out to God! And He is hearing it!

Woe, not only to America, but to all nations in the world who choose sin and forget God!

Where are the Christians who HATE sin?(Psalm 97:10, Romans 12:9) Where are those who are standing up for God without compromise against wickedness and workers of iniquity?(Psalm 94:16, Ephesians 5:11) This is where we preach the gospel so that people will get help with their sins! Where are the Christians who are being persecuted for standing up for the Lord?(John 15:18-20, 2 Timothy 3:12, Matthew 5:10-12, 1 Peter 4:16)

"For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God" John 12:43
John 12:43 speaks of the Pharisees looking for man's praise more than the praise of God. Christians act like the Pharisees when they want more praise from man than from God. Where are the Christians who care less what their approval rating is by man, but seek the praise of God? Too many Christians today are conforming to the world becoming BLIND to things of righteousness! Which leads me back to this question. How could many professed Christians be blinded to the fact that Obama supported abortion? Was it because of ignorance? Or maybe because they just sit back and do nothing when they see wickedness? It's to no surprise that many who watch murderous/violent TV and play violent video games become NUMB to the realities of murder and evil!


"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14


When will we wake up? When will we humble ourselves before the Lord and pray? When will we seek His face? Oh, how often we forget what the Lord saved us from! When will we stop being partakers of wickedness by condoning it, accepting it as a nation? The Lord will heal our lands when us Christians rise up, stand apart from the world and pray! When we stand up boldly for Christ and preach against sin, we will win many souls for Christ! This is how our land will be healed! May the Lord change ALL our hearts, to be bold for Christ........He died for you and saved you from eternal punishment, a gift we do not deserve! Why is it so hard to show our graditude and love back to the Savior? He wants a people who are not swayed by public opinion but who boldly proclaim Him and His righteousness! Many in the Word were killed for standing up for Christ without compromise. We cannot compromise one ounce! We as Christians need to be a light unto the world!

"Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
Matthew 5:13-16


And in everything, do it in love and gentleness but WITHOUT compromise for the truth!
As someone who loves this country; I grieve with you. Personally I don't understand how people can not only be elected to the office of the president, but also get RE-ELECTED. This was after their adulterous affairs were exposed. The excuse I heard most was: "what he does in private is his business. And he did a great job with the economy." Remember: Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery. Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's (King James Version)

Change was promised in the last presidental election. I believe that promise will be held. However; It won't be change for the better.
I think that some who not only voted for the person who holds the office of the presidency, but also those who backed him are starting to realize they made a GRAVE MISTAKE! Remember: If only 1 decent person were found; then Sodom & Gamorrahh probably would have been saved. I thiink it was Theodore Roosevelt who said," When a person assumes a position of public office, he then should consider himself as public property
 
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From a speech made in Dusseldorf, Industry club: January 27, 1932

I said that this value can be destroyed. There are indeed in especial two other closely related factors which we can time and again trace in periods of national decline: the one is that for the conception of the value of personality there is substituted a levelling idea of the supremacy of mere numbers - democracy - and the other is the negation of the value of a people, the denial of any difference in the inborn capacity, the achievement, etc., of individual peoples. Thus both factors condition one another or at least influence each other in the course of their development. Internationalism and democracy are inseparable conceptions. It is but logical that democracy, which within a people denies the special value of the individual and puts in its place a value which represents the sum of all individualities - a purely numerical value - should proceed in precisely the same way in the life of peoples and should in that sphere result in internationalism. Broadly it is maintained: peoples have no inborn values, but, at the most, there can be admitted perhaps temporary differences in education. Between Negroes, Aryans, Mongolians, and Redskins there is no essential difference in value. This view which forms the basis of the whole of the international thought-world of today and in its effects is carried to such lengths that in the end a Negro can sit as president in the sessions of the League of Nations leads necessarily as a further consequence to the point that in a similar way within a people differences in value between the individual members of this people are denied. And thus naturally every special capacity, every fundamental value of a people, can practically be made of no effect. For the greatness of a people is the result not of the sum of all its achievements but in the last resort of the sum of its outstanding achievements. Let no one say that the picture produced as a first impression of human civilization is the impression of its achievement as a whole. This whole edifice of civilization is in its foundations and in all its stones nothing else than the result of the creative capacity, the achievement, the intelligence, the industry, of individuals: in its greatest triumphs it represents the great crowning achievement of individual God-favored geniuses, in its average accomplishment the achievement of men of average capacity, and in its sum doubtless the result of the use of human labor-force in order to turn to account the creations of genius and of talent. So it is only natural that when the capable intelligences of a nation, which are always in a minority, are regarded only as of the same value as all the rest, then genius, capacity, the value of personality are slowly subjected to the majority and this process is then falsely named the rule of the people. For this is not rule of the people, but in reality the rule of stupidity, of mediocrity, of half-heartedness, of cowardice, of weakness, and of inadequacy....

Who made this speech? anyone know?
 
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Answer: Adolph Hitler on January 27, 1932.

The saddest thing I've learned from history seems to me that people DO NOT LEARN FROM HISTORY.
 
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Answer: Adolph Hitler on January 27, 1932.

The saddest thing I've learned from history seems to me that people DO NOT LEARN FROM HISTORY.

Yeah, for example, how America doesn't learn about how evil it is to abort infants......That is cold blooded murder....Just as Adolf killed many people, America does just the same but on a much bigger scale...And we have a number of professing Christians who voted for Obama the abortionist! Something just doesn't add up there! And this can go for any other nation who aborts as well...
 
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Awww this just makes me sad... All of your comments directed at America could be directed at other countries as well. I'm not American... I also don't "hate" Americans or equate them with Adolf Hitler. Shakes head in sorrow.
 
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roaringkitten

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Nowhere in this thread did I say I hate Americans. That is pure emotionalism on your part. I hate SINS that it has committed.
 
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roaringkitten

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And I already said that this is not just about America but other nations in the world who condone such grievous wickedness before God.(reread my thread and you will see I already addressed this)
 
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nah you didnt say the words "hate" but your posts definitely lack speaking the truth in love! good ole emotional me... hee hee. And believe me I agree with alot of the points you make. Its just how you state it that leaves me thinking I've seen alot of the ROARING but would love to also meet Kitten.
 
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its great to see that you are passionate abot hthings ...but in the end we all get judged as individuals...not as nations...i think its more fitting to say woe to the earth!
 
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roaringkitten

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imoss......I'll tell you this....It is very hard to CONVEY feelings and emotions on a forum....Because we lack personal dialogue(face to face)...In the beginning of this thread the first thing I said was that I am guilty of lukewarmness too, and that should have conveyed some humility on my part.....And in humility is love, I did this for the purpose of exposing wickedness in love....If it came across as something different, then it must be a misunderstanding.

I just find it odd that some people here didn't even acknowledge in their replies that abortion was murder....Or that it even BOTHERED them.....That is the lukewarmness I am concerned about us Christians...
 
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038:For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,039:Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Who hunts for the lion?
job
001:Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,002:Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?003:Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.004:Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.005:Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?006:Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;007:When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?008:Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?009:When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,010:And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,011:And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?012:Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;013:That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?014:It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.015:And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.016:Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?017:Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?018:Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.019:Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,020:That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?021:Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?022:Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,023:Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?024:By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?025:Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;026:To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;027:To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?028:Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?029:Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?030:The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.031:Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?032:Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?033:Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?034:Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?035:Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?036:Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?037:Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,038:When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

I love God
Wisdom is found for those who seek for it.
May God have mercy on me a sinner who loves him deeply

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I had one in the 80's and spent many years dealing with it. I was young, alone, bf had just broke up with me, in a city with no family & friends. No other options were presented to me or coucilling given. they just said u r depressed, u need to do this. so i did & then i had to deal with it. So if i didnt mention that portion its because it is something that is a personal truth for me and something i deeply regret and something that didnt occur on american soil. I was a coward and a murder. THANK GOD FOR MY JESUS WHO IN AN ABSOLUTE INSTANT WIPED ALL THAT AWAY!!! doesnt mean satan doesnt keep attacking and telling me what a murder i am. I just have to keep focusing on grace. thats all i got to say about that. If you are considering it... anyone reading this please dont do it because regardless of what you tell yourself at the time this is a child no matter how many weeks.
 
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a) those such as yourself who say America is wicked, God's judgement is coming etc etc.

On the other hand, you have

b) those who say America is the next best thing to sliced bread, God is looking favourably upon it, not with judgement, as His special messenger or servant to the world.


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Both of these statements seem to be true, simply in different times. Before 1962, America embraced Prayer and Bible reading in public schools. Since then, America has turned away from God's principals and embraced society's dictation of values above God's Holy Word. America was the land of prosperity and fullness because the government was built upon a reverence for God and His Word; However, since 1962 the blessings have decreased as the reverence has decreased.

The main problem with America is Idolatry. Americans (even those claiming to be Christians) have elevated what they view as truth in lieu the Truth (Jesus Christ). Too many people believe in their belief of God rather than just believing God.


The reason why China's Christians are seeing miracles and we are not is because American Christians (for the most part) have fallen subject to the description Jesus states in Mark 7:6-8 (ESV):

And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,

"'This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men."


And still in another verse, the Holy Spirit also describes American culture (as well as any other Idolatrous culture) in 1 John 2:16 (NIV-UK):

For everything in the world— the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does— comes not from the Father but from the world.


And Colossians 2:20-23 (NIV):

Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.


So therein lies the problem, IDOLATRY. Repentance is essential. How do we expect Jesus to return and find Faith on the earth when our society is based upon concrete evidence? Where does "faith" find it's place when all of the answers are afforded by science and education?

America has missed the real knowledge and God says, "...for lack of knowledge my people parish..." Real knowledge is to KNOW God and Jesus Christ (John 17:3). Not when we see taught in our public schools (1 Timothy 6:20-21).

God have mercy on this nation.


 
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How can a Christian vote for Obama? How can a Christian in the USA tolerate a government that uses cluster bombs and is holding up a global ban on landminds, and allows supported a government that allowed for capital punishment without proper legal defence, and where there are children without health care, and of course they really don't seem to care that the effects global warming are killing people in the developing world? I agree that abortion is murder, but I don't understand how that (and stemcell research) is the only threat to life that seems to matter to so many American Christians. Why is that???? I mean I have my theories, but I'd love an official answer.
 
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I am glad to hear that testimony imoss.........Your sins were wiped clean when you believed on Christ! To the multitude of others in the world who condone murdering babies, I pray they see the light, and see the wickedness in it, that those may believe the gospel and be saved! I HATE sin and must stand up for innocent life!

"Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good." Romans 12:9
 
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Before 1962, America embraced Prayer and Bible reading in public schools. Since then, America has turned away from God's principals and embraced society's dictation of values above God's Holy Word. America was the land of prosperity and fullness because the government was built upon a reverence for God and His Word; However, since 1962 the blessings have decreased as the reverence has decreased.
So did prayer and Bible reading in all white schools make the Jim Crowe laws ok? Because really, I do NOT see support for that kind of contempt in the Bible. I saw the Spike Lee documentary 4 Little Girls, about a chruch that was bomed in 1963... or maybe '62... Anyway, the point is, I was so happy that those days are over. I mean, I realize that there's still a lot of racisim in the USA, but the no one in Alabama in 1963 ever dreamed we'd have a black man in the White House now.
 
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