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Your response/reaction (that the Lord's command to wives is "open to interpretation") is a perfect case in point. No one would ever say that the part to the husband (love your wives as Christ loved the church) is "open to interpretation". It's crystal clear, isn't it?
And actually the part to the woman is very clear as well -- not "open to interpretation".
And actually the part to the woman is very clear as well -- not "open to interpretation".
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- Wives, be subject to your husbands as you are to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church, the body of which he is the Savior. (Ephesians 5: 22-23)
- Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. Honor your father and mother — this is the first commandment with a promise: so that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth. And, fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord. (Ephesians 6: 1-4)
And what about widows and widowers — is one kicked out of the family the moment one’s spouse dies? Is marriage so privileged a state that all pre-marital and post-marital people can be excluded from the definition of “family”? That’s absurd.
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I believe that many things in the Bible are "open to intepretation" However wives submitting and husbands loving are not one of these things... When Jesus speaks in parables and tells stories, those are the areas of the Bible I believe He meant for us to interpret along with the Holy Spirit to apply to our own lives. When he gives comands or lays out rules I believe we are to follow those rules and commands to the best of our ability... without trying to read too much into them.
How I feel about the scripture? It frustrates me sometimes, but just as I do when I believe God is leading me, I bite my toungue. Sometimes he makes bad desisions, but you know what? God deals with that part.
things always manage to turn out OK! Now just because you allow your husband to lead doesn't mean you don't have some say around the house. Chances are that most men (I promise I'm not bashing) don't want ALL the responsibility. My hubby for example can't stand math or dealing with bills. Guess who does that? I happen to be the bread winner in our house too, he chose to work part time nights because he saw how much I enjoyed my job and wanted me to have the chance to advance! My hubby does his very best to follow God and give me what I want BECAUSE I submit to him. He wouldn't WANT to give me my desires if all I did was give him a hard time about his desisions. He would be constantly frustrated and that would make his job of loving me and leading me that much harder. So in a way my submitting sets an example for him and leads him in the right direction.
My marriage wasn't always this good, just so you know. When I made a comittment to God to follow His command and submit was when everything fell into place. God made it so easy for me! The rewards of a happy marriage are worth going against your pride and allowing your husband the satisfaction of being the leader in your household!
I hope that all made sense!
How I feel about the scripture? It frustrates me sometimes, but just as I do when I believe God is leading me, I bite my toungue. Sometimes he makes bad desisions, but you know what? God deals with that part.
things always manage to turn out OK! Now just because you allow your husband to lead doesn't mean you don't have some say around the house. Chances are that most men (I promise I'm not bashing) don't want ALL the responsibility. My hubby for example can't stand math or dealing with bills. Guess who does that? I happen to be the bread winner in our house too, he chose to work part time nights because he saw how much I enjoyed my job and wanted me to have the chance to advance! My hubby does his very best to follow God and give me what I want BECAUSE I submit to him. He wouldn't WANT to give me my desires if all I did was give him a hard time about his desisions. He would be constantly frustrated and that would make his job of loving me and leading me that much harder. So in a way my submitting sets an example for him and leads him in the right direction.My marriage wasn't always this good, just so you know. When I made a comittment to God to follow His command and submit was when everything fell into place. God made it so easy for me! The rewards of a happy marriage are worth going against your pride and allowing your husband the satisfaction of being the leader in your household!
I hope that all made sense!
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I believe that a husband and wife are partners. All matters of importance need to be discussed, and both have equal imput. If there is a disagreement, they need to pray together for God's direction. In the end, as spiritual head of the household, it is the husband who makes the decision. He also carries the burden of being responsible for the consequences of the decision.
I don't think that God intended submission to be equated with slavery. I think it is about protection and love. If you are involved with a man, and aren't comfortable with him leading, perhaps it is not the right relationship for you.
Finally, husbands are to serve their wives as Christ served the church. Why would any woman be afraid for her husband to act in a Christ-like manor? And why would women marry anyone that they don't feel would lay down their lives for them?
It all boils down to allowing God to choose your mate, and then working as the team He intended you to be.
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I don't think that God intended submission to be equated with slavery. I think it is about protection and love. If you are involved with a man, and aren't comfortable with him leading, perhaps it is not the right relationship for you.
Finally, husbands are to serve their wives as Christ served the church. Why would any woman be afraid for her husband to act in a Christ-like manor? And why would women marry anyone that they don't feel would lay down their lives for them?
It all boils down to allowing God to choose your mate, and then working as the team He intended you to be.
iamnotashamedthelist.com
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I agree with WENSPI here, in a marriage the relationship should be 50/50, both seemed as equally important, yet obviously with different obligations, but both needed as well, same measure. By a woman submitting to her husband it doesn't mean a man will keep her as a slave or gives him permission to it, but what it means instead quoting how Jesus saw the church, for me it means, the husband has an obligation here as well, and some requirements for the wife to be able to submit, he must love, care and work his life to keep all in order and build trust, even get to the point of putting his life for her, like Jesus did for us. Dedication from the husband that may lead the wife to submitt, submitt as in, relay on him, count on him in all, give him her heart and herself, to be in the disposition of doing her part in The Lord's plan, counting on that the man will do his. The man presides the house, not without the counsil and total approval or disaproval in decisions from the wife, both equally important. Is even a matter of instinct, in any specie you may see how the male tries to get the females approval to then build a family, therefore is important even to see how the Lord has created everything in a way that testifies that his word is real, even nature gives testimony by following his orders. Like we say in my country, the man is the head, but the woman is the neck , but in no place it gives man the right of crushing wimen's rights and making her submissive, she must submit by herself following the Lord's order. If they are both man and woman in The Lord it should be no problem, which is why we should search for a companion wisely, asking the Lord in all times, and definitely not giving that opportunity up Corinthians 11:11
, but in no place it gives man the right of crushing wimen's rights and making her submissive, she must submit by herself following the Lord's order. If they are both man and woman in The Lord it should be no problem, which is why we should search for a companion wisely, asking the Lord in all times, and definitely not giving that opportunity up Corinthians 11:11
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My Husband is the spiritual head of this house, therefore, I do submit to him . That bein said, he is to love me like christ loves the church, and in doing so, I know hes not gonna make bad decisions concerning our family, nor would he take advantage of me . When we said our marriage vows before God we became one flesh according to the word , I know God wouldnt tell him to do something contrary to that ( such as expecting me to be his slave, or not taking my feelings and thoughts into consideration) . Im not saying When hes came to me and said this is what were gonna do......I havent ever paused or questioned it even, BUT.....I know Scott wouldnt ask me to do something he wouldnt do himself, or ask me to do something that wasnt very important, or that he hadnt saught out Gods will in, so I trust him in that I know he seeks God, and that makes it ok, the fact that I know he wants Gods will first . So I guess you could say to me its not hard to submit to that, its called walking to gether, which is what God intended. I think its wonderful that God has someone watching out for me that way, cause sometimes I may not make the best decisions. However, if he in turn knows something is important to me, and i have been praying about it, he listens and takes my feelings serious, and we can pray about it together. Gods awesome that way.
Three things could be added.
1. The wife is not commanded to love her husband as the husband is commanded to his wife and lay his life down for her. That does not mean that she does not love her husband, it means that she is not commanded to do it as the man is. In (Titus 2:4) the phrase 'to love their husbands' has no verb only an adjective phrase that means she is to be fond of her husband and not other men and to be his lover.
2.The union of them being joined together as one flesh is a work of God. When the woman submits to her husband as her covering (head), Jesus Christ is magnified in the marriage. The devil wants to destroy that work so it can not reveal the authority of Christ and His headship in that marriage.
3. The wife is to submit to her husband as it is fit in the Lord (Col 3:18). This is a tricky one that dispels this 50/50 mentality. She is to summit to her husband 100%, not 50/50, not 80/20 and not 90/10. But she is to submit as it is fit, in the Lord. The word fit is aneko and it is used as actions due someone, as an obligation and duty. What that means, if it is not fit then you don't submit. It is possible that the husband could be off and not be submitted to the will of God therefore requiring something that is outside the will of God and you have a duty to submit to God's will instead. You can resist what is not fit in the will of God only.
Abraham did not want to cast out Ishmael and Hagar, but Sarah, in the will of God, told him to cast them out because they were not to serve with Isaac. God backed Sarah in this instance and told Moses to heed his wife (Gen 21:10-12). What Sarah was doing is telling her husband to do what he should have done and she acted out of her obligation and duty to him as his wife. Therefore the will of God was accomplished and Sarah never violated her husband's headship in the family but complimented it by hearing from God.
1. The wife is not commanded to love her husband as the husband is commanded to his wife and lay his life down for her. That does not mean that she does not love her husband, it means that she is not commanded to do it as the man is. In (Titus 2:4) the phrase 'to love their husbands' has no verb only an adjective phrase that means she is to be fond of her husband and not other men and to be his lover.
2.The union of them being joined together as one flesh is a work of God. When the woman submits to her husband as her covering (head), Jesus Christ is magnified in the marriage. The devil wants to destroy that work so it can not reveal the authority of Christ and His headship in that marriage.
3. The wife is to submit to her husband as it is fit in the Lord (Col 3:18). This is a tricky one that dispels this 50/50 mentality. She is to summit to her husband 100%, not 50/50, not 80/20 and not 90/10. But she is to submit as it is fit, in the Lord. The word fit is aneko and it is used as actions due someone, as an obligation and duty. What that means, if it is not fit then you don't submit. It is possible that the husband could be off and not be submitted to the will of God therefore requiring something that is outside the will of God and you have a duty to submit to God's will instead. You can resist what is not fit in the will of God only.
Abraham did not want to cast out Ishmael and Hagar, but Sarah, in the will of God, told him to cast them out because they were not to serve with Isaac. God backed Sarah in this instance and told Moses to heed his wife (Gen 21:10-12). What Sarah was doing is telling her husband to do what he should have done and she acted out of her obligation and duty to him as his wife. Therefore the will of God was accomplished and Sarah never violated her husband's headship in the family but complimented it by hearing from God.
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I think the problem is not with what God says, but with men not loving the way Jesus loves the church, and then demanding to be head and getting us kicked out of the garden, Again!
In fact, I could only imagine what could be done in service to the Lord!
But as far as me,
I have not met any man that can love me like Jesus!
He is my friend!
He never demands His own way, nor does He hold wrong against me!
He is willing to tell me the truth and tells me things before they happen.
He protect me from danger,
He does not turn His back on me nor does He make me a slave.
He is not boastful or proud, and He knows what's on my mind and in my heart at all times. He likes to give me my hearts desires and I don't even have to ask!
He supplies all my needs and fills me with joy that bubbles over!
I am eager to start each day knowing it's spent with Him, going out and about, doing the Fathers business!
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The Bible states that women should submit to their husbands as unto the Lord. So submission is as unto the Lord. So if your husband asks you to do something that is not "unto the Lord" then you don't submit. As long as the requests are unto the Lord, one should willingly submit, but lets take a "way out there request"......if you husband told you to kill someone, do you submit to that because he told you to, or do you look to the Lord's directives, thou shalt not kill (murder), to who would you submit, ofcourse unto the Lord. That is just an extreme example, but women are to submit as unto the Lord; in Ephes. the Bible also states that we are all to submit to one another. Submission is the lifestyle of a Christian, male or female.
i think were forgetting that lots of guys in the bible had more than one wife. the bible was written in the bronze age or thereabouts, so you kinda have to take what it says with a grain of salt.
Deureronomy 25:11 "If two Israelite men are fighting and the wife of one tries to rescue her husband by grabbing the testicles of the other man, her hand must be cut off without pity."
so to be a good little christian, im going to carry around a nice sharp meat cleaver, in order to carry out the will of god as it is written, right?
Deureronomy 25:11 "If two Israelite men are fighting and the wife of one tries to rescue her husband by grabbing the testicles of the other man, her hand must be cut off without pity."
so to be a good little christian, im going to carry around a nice sharp meat cleaver, in order to carry out the will of god as it is written, right?
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