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the op is about WOF but peoples keep saying they ain't wuff and they gets all huffy and puffy and off ended and now they wants the thread shut down

reminds one of dems trying to say the memo ain't nuthin and just never mind it

never mind wuff wuff cause ain't no one here by that name
 
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And you, supposedly, have the same "word" power as God?

Cool. Now, speak one blade of grass into existence from nothing.

I'll wait.

don't forget to break for snacks...protein is good in a case like this

caffeine will help also

on second thought, you are just kidding, right?
 

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Haven't been in the forums for a few days and missed a lot of the posts. The usual believers were open., honest and forth coming with their desire to share what they are learning and try to explain in a gentle manner.

While the other usual believers were sarcastic., accusatory and mean. They need to quit taking their ugly pills and drinking their ugly juice.
 

stonesoffire

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And you, supposedly, have the same "word" power as God?

Cool. Now, speak one blade of grass into existence from nothing.

I'll wait.
Since you aren't God, it would be foolish to take an order from you to create anything. If the Lord would say do it, then He would empower him to do it.

Feeling a bit foolish budman? You should.
 
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Since you aren't God, it would be foolish to take an order from you to create anything. If the Lord would say do it, then He would empower him to do it.

Feeling a bit foolish budman? You should.
That's WOF fantasy. That's the problem with WOF, it's followers prefer fantasy to Biblical truth.
 

Budman

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Since you aren't God, it would be foolish to take an order from you to create anything. If the Lord would say do it, then He would empower him to do it.

Feeling a bit foolish budman? You should.
Nope. I don't feel foolish at all. WOF folks seem to believe their words have the power to create health, wealth, or whatever else they set their minds on. They even claim to be able to control the weather. It is occultic. It reminds me of the old "power of positive thinking" garbage.

People like these have left a lot of damage in their wakes. The have caused untold numbers to lose their faith when they aren't healed of cancer, or they stay crippled, or remain poor.

But, of course, these flim-flam artists always trot out the same excuse; "Looks like you didn't have enough faaaaaaaith."
 
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Nope. I don't feel foolish at all. WOF folks seem to believe their words have the power to create health, wealth, or whatever else they set their minds on. They even claim to be able to control the weather. It is occultic. It reminds me of the old "power of positive thinking" garbage.

People like these have left a lot of damage in their wakes. The have caused untold numbers to lose their faith when they aren't healed of cancer, or they stay crippled, or remain poor.

But, of course, these flim-flam artists always trot out the same excuse; "Looks like you didn't have enough faaaaaaaith."
They also say the reason is because they didn't tithe enough.
 

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And you, supposedly, have the same "word" power as God?

Cool. Now, speak one blade of grass into existence from nothing.

I'll wait.
Are you still asking for a sign before you believe?
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
 

know1

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And you, supposedly, have the same "word" power as God?

Cool. Now, speak one blade of grass into existence from nothing.

I'll wait.
Personally I find your post funny, as it reminds me of a scene between the devil and Jesus.
Luk 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
 

know1

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Are you suggesting the worlds were made by God exercising His faith?
No sir, I was not.
I was stating what is written. That God made the worlds BY and THROUGH His SPOKEN word.
I am stating that the worlds were made BY the words God spoke.
The word itself is the power of God and it is the word sent that does the work.
The same word He gave us, IF we believe what He said without any doubt.
 

stonesoffire

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Nope. I don't feel foolish at all. WOF folks seem to believe their words have the power to create health, wealth, or whatever else they set their minds on. They even claim to be able to control the weather. It is occultic. It reminds me of the old "power of positive thinking" garbage.

People like these have left a lot of damage in their wakes. The have caused untold numbers to lose their faith when they aren't healed of cancer, or they stay crippled, or remain poor.

But, of course, these flim-flam artists always trot out the same excuse; "Looks like you didn't have enough faaaaaaaith."
While this may be true of shysters, you can't take that broad brush and paint all. You do know the same accusations came against Jesus?

He wants His body to produce Himself on earth. That is faith in His Word, yet accomplished though in Spirit and at His timing. But, when we have a need? He promises supply.

My husband and I ran our car on empty for many miles before coming to a gas station in Arizona. That's just one little miracle. My kids could tell you theirs.

Has the cloud come into your meetings within a church building? Mine neither but am waiting. :)

And I don't think the issue is enough faith, but is there any at all? Do you just want to keep Jesus on the pages of the Book?

I cant understand this kind of salvation. He's real. He's here. And He moves in ways still not known to many.
 

stonesoffire

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Heb 11:12 Abraham was as good as dead, yet from this one man came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.


Heb 11:13 All these people died having faith. They did not receive the things that were promised, yet they saw them in the distant future and welcomed them, acknowledging that they were strangers and foreigners on earth.


Heb 11:14 For people who say such things make it clear that they are looking for a country of their own.

Abraham and Sarah did receive their promised son though. I'd rather die in faith believing, than have lukewarm polluted water that isn't flowing from a good well.
 

know1

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You can't. That concept is only in your imagination and WOF books and cd's.
Simply refusing to believe God exists, will not make Him cease to exist, and neither will your inability to see truth make it cease to be.
I don't know about the books and cd's on WOF, because I did not get what I know from any of them.
I pretty much got it on my own, or rather, just God and me.
I will explain again.
As I have stated many times now, what we are doing is sending the word of faith, like you do when you feel sick.
When you feel bad in your body, you automatically say what you believe, which is, "I feel sick".
You just sent the word of faith against yourself. You spoke what you believed in your heart, thereby securing that feeling into whatever you said it was. The words you spoke are what enforced what you believe. And in so doing, you just told God what He is going to do. Like a dog.
It's no different on the positive side. We say what we believe based on what is written, and the words we speak do the work, even as Jesus' words did the work.
Did Jesus heal people and cast out devils, or was it the words He spoke that did it?
Let me say this again.
The blood of Jesus IS the Holy Ghost, and the Word of God are one and the same.
Jesus is the truth and the Word, because of the Spirit that is in Him.
When we use a portion or piece of this Word, we get a little word or seed or offspring from the parent Word, and not the parent Himself.
It is this word/seed/offspring that we send to do the work for us, not the parent. Even as God sent His word to form the worlds, and the Word Itself formed the worlds.
When Jesus told someone they were healed, the word He spoke did the healing.
When Jesus cast out a spirit, it was the word He sent that cast the thing out.
It is written that the word of God IS the power of God, TO THEM THAT BELIEVE.
It is also written that we who believe have been given a spirit of power,...
Here are two examples of sending God's word, like you would a servant or soldier.

Mat 8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word [of faith] only, and my servant shall be healed.
Mat 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
What was so significant about this soldier's faith that Jesus marveled over, was that He understood that the words of Jesus were like soldiers or servant. They (the spoken words) did what they are sent to do.

Luk 17:5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
Luk 17:6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.
Luk 17:7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
Luk 17:8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
Luk 17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Jesus is continuing His teaching the disciples about what faith is and how it works, by referring to His word of faith as a servant.
You tell a servant what to do, you don't ask, and the servant obeys. And they do as they were commanded even as we are to do the same, as sons and daughter serving our Lord.

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

And because you are sending a word/seed/offspring of and from Jesus to do something, Jesus said He did it, and that is why Jesus said, if we who believe would ask, call for, crave, desire, or require anything, HE WILL DO IT.
As His word does, so does He.
So in a sense, we are telling God what to do, when in reality, we are commanding only a seed or offspring of His to do the work.
 
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Simply refusing to believe God exists, will not make Him cease to exist, and neither will your inability to see truth make it cease to be.
I don't know about the books and cd's on WOF, because I did not get what I know from any of them.
I pretty much got it on my own, or rather, just God and me.
I will explain again.
As I have stated many times now, what we are doing is sending the word of faith, like you do when you feel sick.
When you feel bad in your body, you automatically say what you believe, which is, "I feel sick".
You just sent the word of faith against yourself. You spoke what you believed in your heart, thereby securing that feeling into whatever you said it was. The words you spoke are what enforced what you believe. And in so doing, you just told God what He is going to do. Like a dog.
It's no different on the positive side. We say what we believe based on what is written, and the words we speak do the work, even as Jesus' words did the work.
Did Jesus heal people and cast out devils, or was it the words He spoke that did it?
Let me say this again.
The blood of Jesus IS the Holy Ghost, and the Word of God are one and the same.
Jesus is the truth and the Word, because of the Spirit that is in Him.
When we use a portion or piece of this Word, we get a little word or seed or offspring from the parent Word, and not the parent Himself.
It is this word/seed/offspring that we send to do the work for us, not the parent. Even as God sent His word to form the worlds, and the Word Itself formed the worlds.
When Jesus told someone they were healed, the word He spoke did the healing.
When Jesus cast out a spirit, it was the word He sent that cast the thing out.
It is written that the word of God IS the power of God, TO THEM THAT BELIEVE.
It is also written that we who believe have been given a spirit of power,...
Here are two examples of sending God's word, like you would a servant or soldier.

Mat 8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word [of faith] only, and my servant shall be healed.
Mat 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
What was so significant about this soldier's faith that Jesus marveled over, was that He understood that the words of Jesus were like soldiers or servant. They (the spoken words) did what they are sent to do.

Luk 17:5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
Luk 17:6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.
Luk 17:7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
Luk 17:8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
Luk 17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Jesus is continuing His teaching the disciples about what faith is and how it works, by referring to His word of faith as a servant.
You tell a servant what to do, you don't ask, and the servant obeys. And they do as they were commanded even as we are to do the same, as sons and daughter serving our Lord.

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

And because you are sending a word/seed/offspring of and from Jesus to do something, Jesus said He did it, and that is why Jesus said, if we who believe would ask, call for, crave, desire, or require anything, HE WILL DO IT.
As His word does, so does He.
So in a sense, we are telling God what to do, when in reality, we are commanding only a seed or offspring of His to do the work.
You think Jesus did His miracles by faith?
 
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Simply refusing to believe God exists, will not make Him cease to exist, and neither will your inability to see truth make it cease to be.
I don't know about the books and cd's on WOF, because I did not get what I know from any of them.
I pretty much got it on my own, or rather, just God and me.
I will explain again.
As I have stated many times now, what we are doing is sending the word of faith, like you do when you feel sick.
When you feel bad in your body, you automatically say what you believe, which is, "I feel sick".
You just sent the word of faith against yourself. You spoke what you believed in your heart, thereby securing that feeling into whatever you said it was. The words you spoke are what enforced what you believe. And in so doing, you just told God what He is going to do. Like a dog.
It's no different on the positive side. We say what we believe based on what is written, and the words we speak do the work, even as Jesus' words did the work.
Did Jesus heal people and cast out devils, or was it the words He spoke that did it?
Let me say this again.
The blood of Jesus IS the Holy Ghost, and the Word of God are one and the same.
Jesus is the truth and the Word, because of the Spirit that is in Him.
When we use a portion or piece of this Word, we get a little word or seed or offspring from the parent Word, and not the parent Himself.
It is this word/seed/offspring that we send to do the work for us, not the parent. Even as God sent His word to form the worlds, and the Word Itself formed the worlds.
When Jesus told someone they were healed, the word He spoke did the healing.
When Jesus cast out a spirit, it was the word He sent that cast the thing out.
It is written that the word of God IS the power of God, TO THEM THAT BELIEVE.
It is also written that we who believe have been given a spirit of power,...
Here are two examples of sending God's word, like you would a servant or soldier.

Mat 8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word [of faith] only, and my servant shall be healed.
Mat 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
What was so significant about this soldier's faith that Jesus marveled over, was that He understood that the words of Jesus were like soldiers or servant. They (the spoken words) did what they are sent to do.

Luk 17:5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.
Luk 17:6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.
Luk 17:7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
Luk 17:8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
Luk 17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Jesus is continuing His teaching the disciples about what faith is and how it works, by referring to His word of faith as a servant.
You tell a servant what to do, you don't ask, and the servant obeys. And they do as they were commanded even as we are to do the same, as sons and daughter serving our Lord.

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

And because you are sending a word/seed/offspring of and from Jesus to do something, Jesus said He did it, and that is why Jesus said, if we who believe would ask, call for, crave, desire, or require anything, HE WILL DO IT.
As His word does, so does He.
So in a sense, we are telling God what to do, when in reality, we are commanding only a seed or offspring of His to do the work.


The enemy hates miracles to be seen as our Lords work moving in the Holy Spirit.

I still have a fond memory of a hurricane that did not hit florida, and thank the Lord for hearing the prayers of so many in need..
 
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While this may be true of shysters, you can't take that broad brush and paint all. You do know the same accusations came against Jesus?

He wants His body to produce Himself on earth. That is faith in His Word, yet accomplished though in Spirit and at His timing. But, when we have a need? He promises supply.

My husband and I ran our car on empty for many miles before coming to a gas station in Arizona. That's just one little miracle. My kids could tell you theirs.

Has the cloud come into your meetings within a church building? Mine neither but am waiting. :)

And I don't think the issue is enough faith, but is there any at all? Do you just want to keep Jesus on the pages of the Book?

I cant understand this kind of salvation. He's real. He's here. And He moves in ways still not known to many.

The only concern ive seen is for the innocent who would be lured away by the "shysters"
And i believe it is a responsibilty of all the Faithfull to warn others of these "shysters".

If any of them begin to boast in worldly wealth, then there should be an immediate, No, be gone.

A lily has more say in what its life will be than any of the would be thorns and thistles of lies.

A Charity of Fire is like no other.

Blessings always
 

stonesoffire

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The only concern ive seen is for the innocent who would be lured away by the "shysters"
And i believe it is a responsibilty of all the Faithfull to warn others of these "shysters".

If any of them begin to boast in worldly wealth, then there should be an immediate, No, be gone.

A lily has more say in what its life will be than any of the would be thorns and thistles of lies.

A Charity of Fire is like no other.

Blessings always
Are you referencing that song " till I saw a little lily pushing up a heavy clod, and I marveled at the wisdom of my God"?

:)