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I have pointed out numerous times what I believe they say is wrong using scripture to back up my arguments, along with citing articles that do the same. Here is another link to an article below that points out what is wrong with SDA doctrine.

https://www.exadventist.com/Home/Sabbath/SabbathSunday/tabid/516/Default.aspx
I do not look at the things like that to find out things about GOD'S CHURCH, I KNOW THAT SATAN is working in them to hurt GOD'S people, And you have not showed me that they are wrong by the BIBLE AT all, He came to save us from OUR sins,
NOT to save us in our sins, He tells us that we do not love him if we don't keep his Commandments. And YESUAH wrote those ten Commandments with his own finger, in stone, showing that they will not change,
 
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Post 9. You’re welcome.
Posting #9 contains scriptures. Were is my theological view?

Brother, you ave accused me of an incorrect theological view and worshiping an incorrect god. Don't you think you should point this out? Even the unrighteous Jews allowed this in the illegal trial of Jesus, but you deny me - a brother - this, in your accusations. Even the heathen courts are more righteous than this. Details of the charge are brought. Or was this a personal crusade to bring unfounded accusations.

By their fruits you will know them.
 
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Posting #9 contains scriptures. Were is my theological view?

Brother, you ave accused me of an incorrect theological view and worshiping an incorrect god. Don't you think you should point this out? Even the unrighteous Jews allowed this in the illegal trial of Jesus, but you deny me - a brother - this, in your accusations. Even the heathen courts are more righteous than this. Details of the charge are brought. Or was this a personal crusade to bring unfounded accusations.

By their fruits you will know them.
You take Scripture out of context. Having faith in Jesus Christ is the only way to obtain the free gift of salvation. Childbirth has nothing to do with it. Don’t respond by saying you’re quoting scripture. You’re taking scripture out of context.
 
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Hopefully you're only a nutcase. If you have mental problems, just seek a doctor.
PRAISE GOD I am, and YESUAH IS MY DOCTOR AND the BIBLE IS MY GUIDE, PRAISE GOD, I am not A smart person, BUT my DOCTOR YESUAH IS , And HIS WORD is my GUIDE THINKS to YESUAH, I still LOV E you , But YESUAH LOVES YOU MORE, BUT it's not my love but YEAUAH's LOVE that is in me, for you ALL , GOD bless as YEAUAH sees GOOD for you ALL
 
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You take Scripture out of context. Having faith in Jesus Christ is the only way to obtain the free gift of salvation. Childbirth has nothing to do with it. Don’t respond by saying you’re quoting scripture. You’re taking scripture out of context.
Faith with out OBEBIENCE is nothing
Satan has the faith, But he does not have the OBEDIEANCE, AND will end up getting destroyed, just like the BIBLE says HE will.
If Abraham had not acted and done the works of faith, he would ended up being LOST,
THE BIBLE SAYS Faith without works is dead, it is like the faith of Satan, and he will be destroyed, with all that don't repent , just like YESUAH says they will,
 
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You take Scripture out of context. Having faith in Jesus Christ is the only way to obtain the free gift of salvation. Childbirth has nothing to do with it. Don’t respond by saying you’re quoting scripture. You’re taking scripture out of context.
I quoted scripture and asked what the reader thought. I did not create, nor comment on, a context. This is God's Word and it contained the word "salvation". Your answer was to ask a very personal question, and from there to lead to accusations which are unbecoming man who carries Christ's name.

So I give you every opportunity to answer. But you must quote my theology - which we both know, was not ever laid forth. I simply asked for the readers opinion on scriptures. A fair and righteous man would not have asked what I'm enduring when I never mentioned that I was enduring anything. When no answer to that very personal question was forthcoming, you then countered by accusing me of incorrect theology and worshiping an incorrect god - ON WHAT BASIS? There IS NO BASIS! What does that make you?

By their fruits you will know them.
 

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I did not say we are not to work. I was talking about what motivates us to work and whom to look for as for our hope. OK? Or are you yet one of these people who rant against sin yet bear false witness against your neighbor?
I am sorry to get the impression you were against working for the Lord, it did seem to me your post was against work. Thanks for clearing that up.

We agree on the necessity to live a Christian life and put away sin. We agree that it is not the law alone, but the spirit of Christ in us, it is through Christ in our hearts we know him. Through Christ we are saved, our salvation does not come from our works.

Our disagreement is minor, it is that I believe we can't rely on what we already know, but should also read the words of the Lord. I think they work together.
 

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We are completely and eternally SAVED by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. You fail to see that but instead focus incorrectly on one or two scriptures that support your incorrect theological views.

Scripture is saturated with God’s promise that salvation is irrevocably given to everyone who proclaims faith in Jesus Christ. How can you possibly not see that?
I respect your belief that people can never leave the Lord once they accept Him, but I don't think it has scripture backup. All scripture is truth, and there are many scriptures telling people to be steadfast and not leave the Lord. If it was impossible not to leave the Lord there would be no scripture telling us not to.
 
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Faith with out OBEBIENCE is nothing
Satan has the faith, But he does not have the OBEDIEANCE, AND will end up getting destroyed, just like the BIBLE says HE will.
If Abraham had not acted and done the works of faith, he would ended up being LOST,
THE BIBLE SAYS Faith without works is dead, it is like the faith of Satan, and he will be destroyed, with all that don't repent , just like YESUAH says they will,
There is no such thing as faith without obedience. That’s a false or dead faith which is a claimed faith only but is no faith at all

James called it a dead faith or mere belief
 
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Faith with out OBEBIENCE is nothing
Satan has the faith, But he does not have the OBEDIEANCE, AND will end up getting destroyed, just like the BIBLE says HE will.
If Abraham had not acted and done the works of faith, he would ended up being LOST,
THE BIBLE SAYS Faith without works is dead, it is like the faith of Satan, and he will be destroyed, with all that don't repent , just like YESUAH says they will,
Like I said, there’s no grace in your theology.
 
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I quoted scripture and asked what the reader thought. I did not create, nor comment on, a context. This is God's Word and it contained the word "salvation". Your answer was to ask a very personal question, and from there to lead to accusations which are unbecoming man who carries Christ's name.

So I give you every opportunity to answer. But you must quote my theology - which we both know, was not ever laid forth. I simply asked for the readers opinion on scriptures. A fair and righteous man would not have asked what I'm enduring when I never mentioned that I was enduring anything. When no answer to that very personal question was forthcoming, you then countered by accusing me of incorrect theology and worshiping an incorrect god - ON WHAT BASIS? There IS NO BASIS! What does that make you?

By their fruits you will know them.
You stated we must endure in order to be saved. Asking what you’re enduring is a very fair and valid question. It is my prayer you’re not enduring anything whatsoever but rather rejoicing in the irrevocable gift of God’s grace which culminates in the irrevocable gift of salvation.
 
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I respect your belief that people can never leave the Lord once they accept Him, but I don't think it has scripture backup. All scripture is truth, and there are many scriptures telling people to be steadfast and not leave the Lord. If it was impossible not to leave the Lord there would be no scripture telling us not to.
Jesus leaves the 99 sheep to go find the one that is lost, hence Jesus will never lose anyone God has given Him.
 

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Jesus leaves the 99 sheep to go find the one that is lost, hence Jesus will never lose anyone God has given Him.
Are people free to act and believe any way, no matter how sinful, after they once accept Christ?
 
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Are people free to act and believe any way, no matter how sinful, after they once accept Christ?
The answer is yes and no. Yes because we have free will; no because the Holy Spirit convicts us and guides us into a more Christ-like life which is pleasing to God.
 

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The answer is yes and no. Yes because we have free will; no because the Holy Spirit convicts us and guides us into a more Christ-like life which is pleasing to God.
And if we decide not to be guided by the Holy Spirit?
 

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Sin remains because of the flesh .
The Messiah had the same flesh as us that tempted him in all ways and yet had no sin. So sin doesn't necessarily remain because of the flesh. Sin remains because we fail the test of temptation.


James 1:12-15
12 Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love Him.

13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed


15 Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death


We're expected to mature to eventually withstand the test of temptation to sin like the Messiah did, and we are told to ask freely of all the gifts necessary to do that.