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In that case, make up would still not be a sin. The persons vanity would be.
Makeup, one could argue, might be more adequately described as a near occasion of sin: something which may lead one into sin.My own hands, for instance, are not sinful. I can use them to wave at a stranger...or shoot them the bird. The sin lies in my actions. Unlike objects, there are intentions, actions, and ideas which are always sinful no matter what.
The degree to which a person is fully culpable for a sin may differ depending on circumstances. For instance, it is always wrong to steal, no matter what, but if I am told to steal my mother's favorite gravy boat while a criminal holds a gun to my head, certainly, I will not be as culpable for the theft if I had just decided to steal it on a whim.
Makeup, one could argue, might be more adequately described as a near occasion of sin: something which may lead one into sin.My own hands, for instance, are not sinful. I can use them to wave at a stranger...or shoot them the bird. The sin lies in my actions. Unlike objects, there are intentions, actions, and ideas which are always sinful no matter what.
The degree to which a person is fully culpable for a sin may differ depending on circumstances. For instance, it is always wrong to steal, no matter what, but if I am told to steal my mother's favorite gravy boat while a criminal holds a gun to my head, certainly, I will not be as culpable for the theft if I had just decided to steal it on a whim.
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Whatever is not done in faith is sin.
To know what is right and not to do it, that is sin.
The fact is that our own conscience accuses and excuses us. We are all different so what is wrong for one is not wrong for another.
1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts; and then shall every man have praise of God.
To know what is right and not to do it, that is sin.
The fact is that our own conscience accuses and excuses us. We are all different so what is wrong for one is not wrong for another.
1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts; and then shall every man have praise of God.
interesting thought here, being uncircumcised was a sin for a male jew but not a male Christian. or was it? well then you have the qualification of a Bishop and a deacon, a bishop can't have any wine and a deacon can have a little( hold on now if this was not fermented why was it wrong for a bishop to drink any and if it was not fremented then Bishops can't partake of the Lord's supper, even if you serve juice) But then this would also make it wrong for bishops to partake if a church serves fermented wine.
shame shame shame on you pastors who drink fermented wine.
1ti 3:2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;1ti 3:3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1ti 3:8Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
shame shame shame on you pastors who drink fermented wine.
1ti 3:2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;1ti 3:3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1ti 3:8Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
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I believe that there are things that are a source of temptation to one and not another. I also believe that are issue of personal obedience to one's calling. Finally there are sins of attitude that sometimes make something that is not sinful into sin. The subjectivity is not in defining sin, but in us.
People can turn anything into a law. Like make up. There is nothing wrong with make up. One could say make up is not OK and turn it into a law. Thinking it is not Ok and never wanting to use it and making up in their mind that to use make up is a sin. Another can use make up and have fun with it and know there is nothing wrong with it. The point is to not think so highly of ones self over God. The law was to show people that they could never obey all the laws that they needed God for all things. So the Lord seen they couldn't get to the point of knowing they needed God he had to come as a person to get the point to the people and they still don't get it. Do you sing to loud, do you sing to low, do you wear the wrong clothes, are you using the same bible as me, a woman a man who can preach? What else can we turn into a law?
because to be qualified according to the qualifications given in scriptures A bishop/pastor is not to be given to wine , to not take part of it, they need a clear mind at all times to watch the flock would you want some one drinking wine to watch your flock) . I just gave you the verses do you only read the parts you want to, or only see the parts your eyes will allow you to see. here I will make it a little bigger for you, maybe you can see from scriptures , this is not me saying this but rather quoting from scripture with in the Holy Word of God.
1ti 3:2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;1ti 3:3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
and it not off subject a deacon can have wine a pastor is not supposed to have wine, it is a commandment of God that one can drink wine one can not, to some drinking wine is a sin, if this is so then the Word of God just told the deacons to sin????? NOT!!!!!!!! if a pastor then drinks wine they break the commandment of God/transgress the law/sin.
1ti 3:2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;1ti 3:3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
and it not off subject a deacon can have wine a pastor is not supposed to have wine, it is a commandment of God that one can drink wine one can not, to some drinking wine is a sin, if this is so then the Word of God just told the deacons to sin????? NOT!!!!!!!! if a pastor then drinks wine they break the commandment of God/transgress the law/sin.
Thad, you have to be joking. Doesn't it bother you that your understanding of scripture makes it a sin for a pastor to do what Jesus commanded him to do?
and to Tryingtofindhim, Paul explained that it was those who were weak in the faith who considered more things sinful and to them it was sinful. I still don't think that justifies south park for you though.
and to Tryingtofindhim, Paul explained that it was those who were weak in the faith who considered more things sinful and to them it was sinful. I still don't think that justifies south park for you though.
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Sin is the transgression of God's law. Man made doctrines, man made rules, and personal moral codes, are not actually 'sins'. There are certain guidelines which some individuals create, as rules to live by, having nothing to do with righteousness, holiness or the commandments, and therefore they do not fall under the biblical criteria of what 'sin' is. These are some of the very things that have separated God's church into many denominations, and have also caused some to believe that we are closer to God through 'outward holiness', ie.. avoiding all secular music, women wearing dresses instead of pants, giving up things for lent.
God changes the heart, the inside of a person, and dwells within those who receive Him. If one desires to be a vegetarian, for example, this is a personal preference, a personal decision, but the one who eats only vegetables cannot consider meat consumption a sin. Both are simply choices which neither affect righteousness or holiness.
Matthew 15:9
They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men...
God changes the heart, the inside of a person, and dwells within those who receive Him. If one desires to be a vegetarian, for example, this is a personal preference, a personal decision, but the one who eats only vegetables cannot consider meat consumption a sin. Both are simply choices which neither affect righteousness or holiness.
Matthew 15:9
They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men...
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A little story about the effects of wine, but first a couple of verses.
Prov 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Prov 31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
True story. In the mid 80's three of us who were students at the time went to Germany to see if we could set up a location to return and do missionary work with the hope of planting a church. What happened the second day of our arrival was very interesting. We had set up to visit by invitation to a Bible College & Seminary just outside of Düsseldorf. We attended one of their annual meetings and had dinner and was invited to have a private conference with the chief administrator of missions at the school.
As we sat down, the administrator drew 5 glasses ( 3 of us and 2 of them) and a bottle of wine from a cabinet and asked us if we wanted a drink. We politely refused and began the conference. He proceeded and over the next 30 minutes or so had pour himself a fistful of wine. Needless to say things got a little strange. The conference was going well when all of a sudden we were interrupted by the admin and getting our attention, told us in no uncertain terms that Germany did not need missionaries coming to their country from the US. We were kind of stunned and taken back by this sudden change of heart. Then we were abruptly asked to leave and never return. That is a true story.
Of course, as fairly young believers, we examined our conversation to see if we had said anything to upset him but could find nothing. That wine effected that man's heart in such a way that it mocked the whole day of which all of us were a part of. I have seen marriages and relationships that have been mocked by wine and strong drink. I have seen husbands, who have lost their wives, mocked by wine. I have seen siblings mocked by wine. But I have also seen those that were ready to die because of sickness and poor health, be comforted with a little wine and strong drink from the misery of his pain.
A pastor, elder, deacon or any official in leadership should not be given to wine or strong drink because it can effect their judgment. As a believer our judgment can be effected as well and we could be mocked later by the things that we did under the influence. Wine can get us to make a provision for the flesh / Rom 13:14. I know a man who loved God, lose his wife to cancer and would drink a glass of wine before bed so he could sleep. Within a year he was drinking nearly a gallon a day, he stopped taking care of himself as a lonely man. The wine mocked him in his old age and died in that state. Wine is no respecter of persons or age. It will mock the young and the old. If wine can mock and deceive a man, it would be wise to refrain from even looking at it in the cup / Prov 23:31.
Prov 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Prov 31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
True story. In the mid 80's three of us who were students at the time went to Germany to see if we could set up a location to return and do missionary work with the hope of planting a church. What happened the second day of our arrival was very interesting. We had set up to visit by invitation to a Bible College & Seminary just outside of Düsseldorf. We attended one of their annual meetings and had dinner and was invited to have a private conference with the chief administrator of missions at the school.
As we sat down, the administrator drew 5 glasses ( 3 of us and 2 of them) and a bottle of wine from a cabinet and asked us if we wanted a drink. We politely refused and began the conference. He proceeded and over the next 30 minutes or so had pour himself a fistful of wine. Needless to say things got a little strange. The conference was going well when all of a sudden we were interrupted by the admin and getting our attention, told us in no uncertain terms that Germany did not need missionaries coming to their country from the US. We were kind of stunned and taken back by this sudden change of heart. Then we were abruptly asked to leave and never return. That is a true story.
Of course, as fairly young believers, we examined our conversation to see if we had said anything to upset him but could find nothing. That wine effected that man's heart in such a way that it mocked the whole day of which all of us were a part of. I have seen marriages and relationships that have been mocked by wine and strong drink. I have seen husbands, who have lost their wives, mocked by wine. I have seen siblings mocked by wine. But I have also seen those that were ready to die because of sickness and poor health, be comforted with a little wine and strong drink from the misery of his pain.
A pastor, elder, deacon or any official in leadership should not be given to wine or strong drink because it can effect their judgment. As a believer our judgment can be effected as well and we could be mocked later by the things that we did under the influence. Wine can get us to make a provision for the flesh / Rom 13:14. I know a man who loved God, lose his wife to cancer and would drink a glass of wine before bed so he could sleep. Within a year he was drinking nearly a gallon a day, he stopped taking care of himself as a lonely man. The wine mocked him in his old age and died in that state. Wine is no respecter of persons or age. It will mock the young and the old. If wine can mock and deceive a man, it would be wise to refrain from even looking at it in the cup / Prov 23:31.
I didn't say anything about the sober part and what I gave was scriptures, so if you think that it was wrong maybe that's the problem you have with my post what don't you understand about
3Not given to wine!!!!!!!!
someone has just started a post about people changing the word Of God you know like you just did Sober don't mean sober it means what I want it to mean. oh That's right, i just remember you are one of those I love Jesus freaks, but the word of God is just a book, that if we want to live by we will and if not that's ok I keep my Burger King religion and have it my way. But the Word said the way was straight and narrow..
Praying for you too, sister
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