Yay for reading!

[lil-rush]

So, not too long ago someone on here felt like pointing out how unloving and cruel the "fake" (read: real, OT Chosen People of God) Jews are, and today while reading a book by Hayim Donin, I stumbled upon some quotes that proves the exact opposite.

And now, I will post these quotes not only to show you that Jews are not unloving or cruel, but also because they are pretty great quotes that we can learn from and live by. They are speaking of Jewish values, but the values come from the Torah, and any values found in the Torah can apply to our lives. Right?

Rabbi Kook write: "The love of all people must pulsate in one's heart and soul, the love of every human being individually and of all nations collectively, expressed by a desire to assist in their spiritual and material growth. Hatred must be directed only towards the acts of evil and the corrupt deeds in the world."

Paralleling the love and reverence for God is the Jewish tradition's emphasis upon the verse in the Torah, "Love your neighbor as yourself" (Leviticus 19:18). The Hebrew text uses the word rai-aka which...implies fellow human beings [as opposed to it implying a select number of people].

The stress upon acting with due regard and consideration for the feelings of others is found throughout Torah sources. ... The sages of the Talmud added: "The dignity of the human being is a great thing."
This basic value is reflected in the religious prohibition against publicly embarrassing a person, which is treated as the moral equivalent of murder.

Inherent in the Jewish value system is the view that looks upon all people as equal and that refutes all idea of racial superiority. The idea is embodied in the answer given to the question as to why God chose to create just one human being and then commanding, be "fruitful and multiply and fill the earth," when He could just as easily have started with many hundreds or thousands of people and quickened the process of filling the earth. It was done, says the Mishna, to enhance the peace of mankind, so that no man should be able to say to another, "my father was greater than yours." [I really like this quote]

When the Talmud notes the qualities possessed by Israel it says: "Three characteristics does the [Jewish] people possess: they are merciful, modest, and perform deeds of kindness." Jews who lacked these qualities were considered unworthy members of the people. Maimonides went so far as to declare that "there is reason to be suspicious of the Jewish credentials of one who is cruel."

In the chapter I drew these quotes from (yes, they all came from 1 chapter), the headings found in the chapter were as follows:
The Basic Values of Judaism: What Kind of People Do We Want Our Children to Be?
To Love and Revere God
To Love Our Neighbor
To Respect Human Dignity
To Treat All People Equally
To Regard Life as Sacred
To Strive for Holiness
To Study Torah
To Cherish Eretz Yisrael
To Love Justice
To Be Compassionate
To Show Civic Responsibility
To Be Creative

While all of this does go a long way to prove the sort of character a Jew (whether you wish to label him as fake or not) really and truly has, it also served to show me, at least, the type of person I should strive to be. Should I not love and revere God, love my neighbor, be compassionate, etc? Those are all things God would want from me just as much as He wants them from His chosen people.

Okay, you all might not feel inclined to cherish Eretz Yisrael, but other than that it's pretty good stuff.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

So, not too long ago someone on here felt like pointing out how unloving and cruel the "fake" (read: real, OT Chosen People of God) Jews are, and today while reading a book by Hayim Donin, I stumbled upon some quotes that proves the exact opposite.

And now, I will post these quotes not only to show you that Jews are not unloving or cruel, but also because they are pretty great quotes that we can learn from and live by. They are speaking of Jewish values, but the values come from the Torah, and any values found in the Torah can apply to our lives. Right?

Rabbi Kook write: "The love of all people must pulsate in one's heart and soul, the love of every human being individually and of all nations collectively, expressed by a desire to assist in their spiritual and material growth. Hatred must be directed only towards the acts of evil and the corrupt deeds in the world."

Paralleling the love and reverence for God is the Jewish tradition's emphasis upon the verse in the Torah, "Love your neighbor as yourself" (Leviticus 19:18). The Hebrew text uses the word rai-aka which...implies fellow human beings [as opposed to it implying a select number of people].

The stress upon acting with due regard and consideration for the feelings of others is found throughout Torah sources. ... The sages of the Talmud added: "The dignity of the human being is a great thing."
This basic value is reflected in the religious prohibition against publicly embarrassing a person, which is treated as the moral equivalent of murder.

Inherent in the Jewish value system is the view that looks upon all people as equal and that refutes all idea of racial superiority. The idea is embodied in the answer given to the question as to why God chose to create just one human being and then commanding, be "fruitful and multiply and fill the earth," when He could just as easily have started with many hundreds or thousands of people and quickened the process of filling the earth. It was done, says the Mishna, to enhance the peace of mankind, so that no man should be able to say to another, "my father was greater than yours." [I really like this quote]

When the Talmud notes the qualities possessed by Israel it says: "Three characteristics does the [Jewish] people possess: they are merciful, modest, and perform deeds of kindness." Jews who lacked these qualities were considered unworthy members of the people. Maimonides went so far as to declare that "there is reason to be suspicious of the Jewish credentials of one who is cruel."

In the chapter I drew these quotes from (yes, they all came from 1 chapter), the headings found in the chapter were as follows:
The Basic Values of Judaism: What Kind of People Do We Want Our Children to Be?
To Love and Revere God
To Love Our Neighbor
To Respect Human Dignity
To Treat All People Equally
To Regard Life as Sacred
To Strive for Holiness
To Study Torah
To Cherish Eretz Yisrael
To Love Justice
To Be Compassionate
To Show Civic Responsibility
To Be Creative

While all of this does go a long way to prove the sort of character a Jew (whether you wish to label him as fake or not) really and truly has, it also served to show me, at least, the type of person I should strive to be. Should I not love and revere God, love my neighbor, be compassionate, etc? Those are all things God would want from me just as much as He wants them from His chosen people.

Okay, you all might not feel inclined to cherish Eretz Yisrael, but other than that it's pretty good stuff.

One only has to look at the destruction and genocide carried out on the Palestinians to see how the 'Jews' treat their neighbours. Bible says 'by their fruits you shall know them'...

 

[lil-rush]

One only has to look at the destruction and genocide carried out on the Palestinians to see how the 'Jews' treat their neighbours. Bible says 'by their fruits you shall know them'...

Cup, I want to respond to your post, but I'm not going to debate with you about your beliefs, because I feel like there is somehting more important I need to tell you.

I worry for you. I worry how God reacts to your mindset, and I pray that you will change so that you will not have to deal with God's wrath when the day comes that you will stand before Him and have to explain to Him why you thought it was right to bear these feelings of distain and superiority over His creation.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Cup, I want to respond to your post, but I'm not going to debate with you about your beliefs, because I feel like there is somehting more important I need to tell you.

I worry for you. I worry how God reacts to your mindset, and I pray that you will change so that you will not have to deal with God's wrath when the day comes that you will stand before Him and have to explain to Him why you thought it was right to bear these feelings of distain and superiority over His creation.

You would be better if you prayed for the Palestinians, I will pray for them now to the Father.

"Dear Father protect those poor souls who dwell prisoners in their own land, afflicted by the scourge of the Synagogue of Satan - oppressors of the holy place, in Jesus Name I pray."

 

[Brackenzee]

You know, it's a bit more complex than you're making it out to be, Cup. Yes, the Israeli military has done some bad things and has been an impediment to peace in some respects. But that does not absolve Palestinian terrorists of their own guilt, nor does it make the rest of the Israelis a 'synagogue of satan'.

But then, since you're rather confused on something as basic as thermodynamics, I don't suppose the infinitely more complex field of human relations is your forte either.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

You know, it's a bit more complex than you're making it out to be, Cup. Yes, the Israeli military has done some bad things and has been an impediment to peace in some respects. But that does not absolve Palestinian terrorists of their own guilt, nor does it make the rest of the Israelis a 'synagogue of satan'.

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Well the military state of Israel is being tried for war crimes currently, which they should be, unless the world want's to accept the wholesale slaughter of umarmed men, women and children on their own land as acceptable behaviour.

In regards to the HAMAS deception, every square inch of Palestine is under surveilance 24/7, it would be impossible for a Palestinian to actually organize a strike, other than throwing a stone, even then they would be shot, before they could even pick up the stone. Knowing the work of the Israeli secret service - MOSSAD, whose motto is 'by deception we shall wage war', it seems almost certain by now that HAMAS is a false flag operation carried out by MOSSAD, giving them the excuse their looking for to conduct more land grabs and murder.

 

[Marcus2x2]

I'm proud to say that I'm a Chrisitan Zionist and that Israel has EVERY RIGHT to defend itself against thug groups like Hamas and Hezbollah!
The Israelies have a literal God-given right to the land inwhich they live. I am sick to death of anti-semitic rubbish being spewed forth from peoples mouths! During the Israeli-Gaza conflict, did you hear from the media how the Israeli military phoned, texted and dropped leaflets to people/on areas where they were about to attack so as to give civilians an opportunity to escape unharmed? No you didn't! The UN leveled serious accusations against Israel, in claiming, with great fanfare, that Israel bombed a school which the UN gave the co-ordinates of to the Israeli govenment. Later this was found to be completely false, Israel did not bomb the school and the accusation was withdrawn without all the fanfare of when it was orginally leveled.

Hamas is not a false flag operation! They have the backing of Iran, which not only concerns the Israelies but also other Arab governments. There is a very old rivalry between the Arab states and Iran. The Arabs do not want Iran exerting enfluence over their part of the middle east, as much as they may dislike Israel! People seem to have virtually no appreciation of the situation that Israel is in. Having been loathed for thoussands of years, having nearly been wiped out by the nazis (the european jews anyhow), they at last have got their rightful homeland back! It is not Palestinian land! It's God's intention for that land to belong to the Jews, consistent with the promise that God made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel)!

Additionally to assert that the Palestinians couldn't organise an attack is complete fiction! They have been for months, years been bombing Israel, with rockets and yet the international community says nothing!

 

[Brackenzee]

Well the military state of Israel is being tried for war crimes currently, which they should be, unless the world want's to accept the wholesale slaughter of umarmed men, women and children on their own land as acceptable behaviour.

In regards to the HAMAS deception, every square inch of Palestine is under surveilance 24/7, it would be impossible for a Palestinian to actually organize a strike, other than throwing a stone, even then they would be shot, before they could even pick up the stone. Knowing the work of the Israeli secret service - MOSSAD, whose motto is 'by deception we shall wage war', it seems almost certain by now that HAMAS is a false flag operation carried out by MOSSAD, giving them the excuse their looking for to conduct more land grabs and murder.

...Okay, I overestimated your intelligence.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

I'm proud to say that I'm a Chrisitan Zionist and that Israel has EVERY RIGHT to defend itself against thug groups like Hamas and Hezbollah!

Mossad created HAMAS, and this is verified by Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem; "Israel thought it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)."

The Israelies have a literal God-given right to the land inwhich they live.

Israel are a people not a modern geographical location, all of Israel and the tribe of Judah are under the new Covenant, the blood of Christ and are Christian; Hebrews 8:8-12, as prophecised by Jeremiah 31:31-38. It is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew. (1980 Jewish Almanac, p.3. - 'A brief History of the terms for Jew)

I am sick to death of anti-semitic rubbish being spewed forth from peoples mouths! During the Israeli-Gaza conflict, did you hear from the media how the Israeli military phoned, texted and dropped leaflets to people/on areas where they were about to attack so as to give civilians an opportunity to escape unharmed? No you didn't!

So it's OK to murder innocent civilian men, women and children as long as you send them a text message first?

The UN leveled serious accusations against Israel, in claiming, with great fanfare, that Israel bombed a school which the UN gave the co-ordinates of to the Israeli govenment. Later this was found to be completely false, Israel did not bomb the school and the accusation was withdrawn without all the fanfare of when it was orginally leveled.

Are you saying they did not bomb the school? Well they did, the school was destroyed and many children sheltering inside were killed.

Hamas is not a false flag operation! They have the backing of Iran, which not only concerns the Israelies but also other Arab governments. There is a very old rivalry between the Arab states and Iran. The Arabs do not want Iran exerting enfluence over their part of the middle east, as much as they may dislike Israel! People seem to have virtually no appreciation of the situation that Israel is in. Having been loathed for thoussands of years, having nearly been wiped out by the nazis (the european jews anyhow), they at last have got their rightful homeland back! It is not Palestinian land! It's God's intention for that land to belong to the Jews, consistent with the promise that God made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel)!

This is incorrect. Israel was to have a new religion and be saved by God. Jer. 31:7, 31-37. Israel was to carry the Gospel to the world. Isaiah 49:3-6. Israel was to be called by a new name. Isaiah 62:1-2. Israel was to have a new home other than Canaan land (Palestine). 2 Samuel 7:10. Isreal was to have a land of unwalled villages, without walls, bars or gates. Ezekiel 38:11. Israel's land is described as being a 'camp of saints'. Rev. 20:79 (Only Christians are saints.)

Additionally to assert that the Palestinians couldn't organise an attack is complete fiction! They have been for months, years been bombing Israel, with rockets and yet the international community says nothing!

It's impossible for Palestine to organise an attack, but it however possible for MOSSAD to organise one, and seeming their own motto is 'by deception we shall wage war', it is likely that they organised a false flag attack, as they are known to practice this kind of warfare.

 

[Marcus2x2]

I'll respond to you comments by section, as you have quoted me:
1. You quote one person out of hundreds of experts that Hamas is essentially a Mossad creation. I stand by my original assertion. It is well known that Iran gives Hamas and Hezollah logistical and financial support.

2. I called no one Israelites, I said Israelies. Biologically there are jewish, weather religiously jewish or not. Only those who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and personal Saviour will be saved. Remeber what Jesus said in John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." And Acts 4:12 "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved". If "...all of Israel and the tribe of Judah are under the new Covenant, the blood of Christ and are Christian" why then did the Apostle Peter for example stay with the Jews and preached the Gospel to them for basically, the rest of his life? Along with many others? Why did the Apostle Paul (in the book of Acts) argue with other Jews, asserting and proving with the scriptures that Jesus is the Christ?

3. Have they murdered? Really? I don't think so!

4. I said what I said.

5. I once again stand by what I said. The scriptures you quote are quoted on the basis that your interpretation of all those scriptures is correct. I am not convinced that this is the case. For example Isaiah 49:6, "I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth" I think that is refering to Christ. A capital Y in You, the capital is there becasue it refers to Deity.
Also I don't know how you can conclude what you said from 2 Samuel 2:10! In terms of Ezekiel 38:11, I'd imagine (though not 100% certain) that that is a reference to the future. In terms of Revelation 20:7, 9 you're making an assumption that could easily be wrong!

6. I stand by what I said. Mossad's motto is Proverbs 11:4.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

I'll respond to you comments by section, as you have quoted me:
1. You quote one person out of hundreds of experts that Hamas is essentially a Mossad creation. I stand by my original assertion. It is well known that Iran gives Hamas and Hezollah logistical and financial support.

Are you serious, have you seen Palestine lately, place has been destroyed, it's the largest open air concentration camp on earth.

2. I called no one Israelites, I said Israelies. Biologically there are jewish, weather religiously jewish or not.

You cannot be biologically a Judean, Judean is not a race, anybody can become a Jew by conversion regardless of race or nationality, that was what it was like at the time of Christ as it is now, a Judean in the sense of a geographical area is not race, that's lke saying that a America is a race, or Christian is a race, or Muslim is a race, or South Africa is a race, we are talking about a religion or a geographical area, neither is racial.

Only those who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and personal Saviour will be saved. Remeber what Jesus said in John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." And Acts 4:12 "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved".

This is true.

If "...all of Israel and the tribe of Judah are under the new Covenant, the blood of Christ and are Christian"

It's not 'if', they are; "For finding fault with them, He saith, Behold the days come, when I will make a new covenant with the House of Judah and the House of Israel, not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers."

You may want to also take note how the Lord distinguishes between the House of Judah and the House of Israel. Both had the new law and covenant of Christ written on their minds and hearts, first the Gospel had to go to the remnant of Judah then preached unto Israel, then the Hebrews then the rest of the world, this has all been done according to God's word, why doubt His word?

why then did the Apostle Peter for example stay with the Jews and preached the Gospel to them for basically, the rest of his life? Along with many others? Why did the Apostle Paul (in the book of Acts) argue with other Jews, asserting and proving with the scriptures that Jesus is the Christ?

Ioudaios - means -Judean in a geographical sense, There were many tribes and nationalities living in Judea, not of the Tribe of Judah, as it was neccessary that the Gospel go to Judah first, how did Pater and Paul determine who was of Judah, well they had the law in their minds and hearts, circumcision of the heart, who is the true Judean? He of the circumcised heart, saved by God through faith in Christ, this was understood by all His sheep.

3. Have they murdered? Really? I don't think so!

You believe that it is OK to kill unarmed women and children in their own homes on their own lands, I don't, I say that is murder.

5. I once again stand by what I said. The scriptures you quote are quoted on the basis that your interpretation of all those scriptures is correct. I am not convinced that this is the case. For example Isaiah 49:6, "I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth" I think that is refering to Christ. A capital Y in You, the capital is there becasue it refers to Deity.

"I will also give Thee (Capitalized means Christ, I will give you Christ - Thee) for a light to the Gentiles (Nations) that Thou (Christ) mayest be My Salvation unto the end of the earth, Thus saith the Lord the Redeemer of Israel" Isaiah 49:6-7

He is referring to Christ and who took Christ in the form of the Gospel unto the end of the earth - the House of Judah and the House of Israel, does He not say He is the Redeemer of Israel? But you doubt this?

Also I don't know how you can conclude what you said from 2 Samuel 2:10! In terms of Ezekiel 38:11, I'd imagine (though not 100% certain) that that is a reference to the future. In terms of Revelation 20:7, 9 you're making an assumption that could easily be wrong!

Am I wrong that a 'Saint' is a Christian? No, Israel is a camp of Saints, just as the Bible says. Israel were to be numbered like the sands of the sea, great multitudes that no one could count of many lands other than Canaan land, unwalled land and many nations, many. Do you doubt this?

 

[Jordan9]

Oh Lord, an Israel-Palestine thread! /exits.

Nah, just kidding, but I am going to respond to the OP. As opposed to, y'know, derailing her post so I can intellectually posture and huff and blow on the internet...

I really liked the "headings" from the chapter, although, like you said, I'm kind of iffy about "cherishing the Land of Israel." It's kind of like how everyone goes on about Mona Lisa's smile. Poor da Vinci, he makes this awesome painting, and everyone focuses on the one thing. Kind of how I think God would feel if we only cherished Israel, while the glaciers of Greenland, the tides of Nova Scotia, and the jungles of South East Asia, (etc. ad nauseum) all went unnoticed. I'm not saying that Israel doesn't deserve to be cherished, but so too does all of Creation.

As for the rest of the list, I love it. It drives home, for me, the shared heritage of Christianity and Judaism, because those are things I'd consider important to a Christian life. Indeed, it makes me a bit envious of the first Christians, for whom there was no "us and them" in terms of our faith with God.

I'm sure the Bible-thumping fire-and-brimstone crowd will get after me for saying this, but I think we should keep these similarities in mind more often in inter-faith dialogues. And could they be expanded to other faiths? Perhaps not to the same degree, but I bet we could find some.

As I typed this, I tried to think which of those "Basic Values of Judaism" I loved the most, but I can't pick one. I loved them all. (Though I did mentally change "To cherish Eretz Yisrael" to "To cherish Creation.")

Good post!

 

[Marcus2x2]

What I doubt, Cup of ruin is you application of Scripture. When I use the words Israelies and particularly Jews, I am referring to the Jewish people, those who biologically are the descentdants of Jacob (Israel) and the 12 patriarchs. Those Jews control Israel, altohugh there at present people there who are not racially jewish who live in Israel (the country) as well.

It is well known now (as it was at the time of Christ) that the majority of jews (religiously speaking) are/were racially jewish. It is true that not all people who followed Judaism at the time of Christ were racially jewish, however most were!

You write that "Both had the new law and covenant of Christ written on their minds and hearts, first the Gospel had to go to the remnant of Judah then preached unto Israel, then the Hebrews then the rest of the world". If that is try why then did they Lawyers, Scribes and Pharisees despise and reject Jesus as being the Christ? Why did Saul (before he became Paul) zealously persecute the Christian Chruch? He had people sent to gaol becasue of their faith in Christ! I think you need to read John 12:37-40 and Romans 10:15-17! And what about Matthew 15:6-8 and Matthew 23:13-15?! These people had seen the new covenant with their own faces and yet they rejected it!

In reference to you reply about my 5th point in my previous posting: The end of Isaiah 49:6 says (NKJV) "... That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth". It does not say that the House of Judah spread the Gospel to the ends of the earth! Jews and Gentiles alike have spread the Gospel to the ends of the earth! You are contorting the Scriptures! And I do not doubt that Jesus Christ is the Redeemer of Israel if that is what you are emplying in your question! I question (once again) the validity of your application of the Scriptures! And I reject your apparent anti-semetic views.

Finally I am not convinced that you have appropriately applied Revelation 20:7,9! A true Saint is a true Christian, I agree! I am not certain as to the exact meaning of that text (I am not an eschatologist) therefore I dare not assert with unwarvering confidence as to what it actually means!

 

[Marcus2x2]

As opposed to, y'know, derailing her post so I can intellectually posture and huff and blow on the internet...

There's a lot of work in that I'll have you know lol

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

What I doubt, Cup of ruin is you application of Scripture. When I use the words Israelies and particularly Jews, I am referring to the Jewish people, those who biologically are the descentdants of Jacob (Israel) and the 12 patriarchs.

This is incorrect, the first time "Jews" are mentioned in the OT is II Kings 16:6, they are found to be dwelling in Elath, which is part of Edom and were a conquered Edomite tribe, they were called by their chaldean name Yehuwdiy - which means subject of the land belonging to Judah, it certainly cannot mean from the House of Israel as Israel and Jacob were divided and in II Kings the Yehuwdiy are actually at war with Israel and her allies Syria. As I have stated before according to Jewish historical sources and the Biblical record it is incorrect to call a Jew and ancient Israelite! The two are utterly opposed.

Those Jews control Israel, altohugh there at present people there who are not racially jewish who live in Israel (the country) as well.

Judaism is a religion, it's not a race. And the people now in the land that was once Judah's but is not anymore, are by majoirty originally placed in the land of Russia and Eastern Europe, they would have as much claim to the land as would the Japanese, which would be none.

You write that "Both had the new law and covenant of Christ written on their minds and hearts, first the Gospel had to go to the remnant of Judah then preached unto Israel, then the Hebrews then the rest of the world". If that is try why then did they Lawyers, Scribes and Pharisees despise and reject Jesus as being the Christ?

Because they were not of the House of Judah or Israel, they were not His sheep, and Jesus tell them so, many times.

Why did Saul (before he became Paul) zealously persecute the Christian Chruch? He had people sent to gaol becasue of their faith in Christ! I think you need to read John 12:37-40 and Romans 10:15-17! And what about Matthew 15:6-8 and Matthew 23:13-15?! These people had seen the new covenant with their own faces and yet they rejected it!

You cannot reject it the law if it's written on your heart, you can reject it if it's not, Christ says "Ye did not choose Me, but I chose you." John 15:16.

In reference to you reply about my 5th point in my previous posting: The end of Isaiah 49:6 says (NKJV) "... That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth". It does not say that the House of Judah spread the Gospel to the ends of the earth! Jews and Gentiles alike have spread the Gospel to the ends of the earth!

Well you cannot spread the Gospel if you are a Jew, surely you can see the conflict of interest there. You would need to be a Christian in order to preach the Kingdom of Christ and the salvation through faith in Christ.

You are contorting the Scriptures!

No, I don't think so.

And I do not doubt that Jesus Christ is the Redeemer of Israel if that is what you are emplying in your question! I question (once again) the validity of your application of the Scriptures! And I reject your apparent anti-semetic views.

It says in Hebrews 8:8-12, that all of the House of Israel and all of the House of Judah are Christian and under the New Covenant - saved by God, He did say He would save them, and write His new law on their hearts and in their minds, that's what it says.

 

[Marcus2x2]

*Sigh* Look, I am not interested in pursuing this fruitless argument any longer! Fundamentally we disagree.
I still don't accept your arguments as I still think you are contorting the Scriptures.
Good day.

Bye the way, I would be interested in knowing what denomination you affiliate with.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Bye the way, I would be interested in knowing what denomination you affiliate with.

The body of Christ.

 

[Marcus2x2]

I didn't realise that was a denomination...

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

I didn't realise that was a denomination...

It's not, Christ does not have 'denominations', He does not have different Churches with different names, He has one Church, one body, where there is a true Christian, or an assembly of Christians than this the Church, there is no division in Christ.

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

I love Jews. Anyone who judges G-d's people will be judged just as harshly.