You can love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength and mind!

[livingbygrace]

what was the whole point of paul's letter to the galatians?

This I find exasperating. Rather than accept scripture so many will ignore the plainly written words to hold to their own interpretation.
Yes Paul was speaking to people who had returned to law.

But in the verse I have quoted he said

If while we seek to be justified in Christ(that is not law) it be3comes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin?(why ask that if he is giving this as an example of being under law)
Absolutely not if I rebuild what I destroyed I prove that I am a lawbreaker. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live for Christ.

There is absolutely no way that Paul's example here is of what happens when we live under law, but under Christ.

But will you accept it?

 

[VW]

The name of this thread is desceptive.
You should change it to 'You Too can be Calvinist"
Because this is a calvinistic view of the Law of God and Not the true interpretation of the 10 commandments.
Are the 10 commandments evil?
To be Christian is to be Christ Like........Jesus told how to be like Him,and to walk the walk He did,He Never once said that Youd Not have to do anything but believe in him ,In fact He said to believe ON Him and His sacrifice for one and All time,and you Will be saved,or your sins will be forgiven ,thereby taking away all need for the BLOOD ORDINANCES such as the need for circomcision and sacrificing bulls goats and sheep.Not Taking away the 10 commandments nor disanulling the blessings of Loving the Lord thy God with all your heart, mind ,and body......And loving your neighbor as you love yourself,which has been toted in another post on this very thread,but mysteriously over looked in favor of the calvonist point of view,not of works but of faith salvation,or better discribed as the Not of "faith but the Holy Spirit" movement,
If this theology were truely based in scripture only I dont think James would have addressed the theology in his book by phraising the term,Show me your faith and I'll show you my faith through my works"

the works james was talking about were those that are empowered by the love of god.

calvinisim means nothing to me. faith in god, a walk in christ jesus by walking in his spirit, that is my foundation. the commandments i follow:

believe in him whom god has sent

love one another even as jesus has loved me

not one thing more.

 

[livingbygrace]

The name of this thread is desceptive.
You should change it to 'You Too can be Calvinist"
Because this is a calvinistic view of the Law of God and Not the true interpretation of the 10 commandments.
Are the 10 commandments evil?
To be Christian is to be Christ Like........Jesus told how to be like Him,and to walk the walk He did,He Never once said that Youd Not have to do anything but believe in him ,In fact He said to believe ON Him and His sacrifice for one and All time,and you Will be saved,or your sins will be forgiven ,thereby taking away all need for the BLOOD ORDINANCES such as the need for circomcision and sacrificing bulls goats and sheep.Not Taking away the 10 commandments nor disanulling the blessings of Loving the Lord thy God with all your heart, mind ,and body......And loving your neighbor as you love yourself,which has been toted in another post on this very thread,but mysteriously over looked in favor of the calvonist point of view,not of works but of faith salvation,or better discribed as the Not of "faith but the Holy Spirit" movement,
If this theology were truely based in scripture only I dont think James would have addressed the theology in his book by phraising the term,Show me your faith and I'll show you my faith through my works"

When you speak of the Ten Commandments not being taken away, I believe you are duty bound to explain all scripture says on this matter. The Apostle said we are not under law, and he died to the law. He also said that the sinful passions aroused in us are by the law. In the next chapter he gave an example, covetingb one of the Ten Commandments. He said that sin used the law of coveting to arouse all kinds ofr concpiscence(sexual desires in hm. He said he was alive until the commandment came, but then he died. He only upheld the law by dying to it. Please tell people these things when you speak of this. He said the power of sin is the law. We do not live under the law, because we do not we find ourselves upholding it. That is what scripture says

 

[QuestionTime]

the answer is simple, and has been hidden by our enemy for a very long time.

we come to god just as we are when we are convicted of our need, and this conviction is of the holy spirit. when we come we receive grace, which is closeness to god. when we receive his spirit, we are born of the spirit of god, and that which is born of god is perfect and pure and holy. what these are calling sanctification has already been done, if we receive his spirit.

i was crucified with christ, and the old sinful man that i was died there. when i was raised in christ, to live again, it was to utter perfection. i still have this fleshly body, but i am not indebted to live for it, but rather for him who died and was raised for me, that i should walk in newness of life.

it is already done.

Thanks VW,

This is the same answer that I have been leaning to of late, for the first time in my life. Still, I have read much about how God requires us to be living a very holy life, and to go make restitution for past wrongs, and the like. But I have so given up hope that my apologies even mean anything anymore. I don't want to apologize until I know I am changed.

I mean I believe I am changed, I just haven't seen the change yet.

Quest

 

[QuestionTime]

The scriptures teach us to keep hiding the word of God in our heart and let it dwell richly in all wisdom. Meditating on it day and night. Learning it line upon line and precepy upon precept. Studying it to show ourself approved and rightly dividing it so that we won't have to be ashamed. We are to walk in the light of God's word by mixing faith with it and when we do that and we go from faith to faith and we will have an ear to hear that still small voice that comes from the Son who speaks to us in these last days we live in. Then the Holy Spirit will direct our hearts in the love of God and we will be the true worshipers that God is seeking who worship in spirit and truth. This is what believing is all about and that is carried right over into the work of the ministry.

Thanks Shad,

What you say sounds really good, but my wicked heart doesn't want to spend time reading God's Word. My wicked heart wants to spend it's time elsewhere.

My problem is that I don't want to do these things. I need a heart change in order to change a stony heart to a fleshy heart that desires God whole-heartedly. Jesus said His yolk was easy and His burden light. That's not been my experience.

Quest

 

[VW]

Thanks VW,

This is the same answer that I have been leaning to of late, for the first time in my life. Still, I have read much about how God requires us to be living a very holy life, and to go make restitution for past wrongs, and the like. But I have so given up hope that my apologies even mean anything anymore. I don't want to apologize until I know I am changed.

I mean I believe I am changed, I just haven't seen the change yet.

Quest

i have seen the change, in you. the holy spirit will convince you of the change, and he will empower you to live and walk in the new life.

praise god, in whom through his son by his spirit, i have my redemption, life from and of god.

 

[VW]

Thanks Shad,

What you say sounds really good, but my wicked heart doesn't want to spend time reading God's Word. My wicked heart wants to spend it's time elsewhere.

My problem is that I don't want to do these things. I need a heart change in order to change a stony heart to a fleshy heart that desires God whole-heartedly. Jesus said His yolk was easy and His burden light. That's not been my experience.

Quest

your heart is a place that only needs the light of jesus to illuminate it. the darkness you sense will flee at his holiness, and in him you will find your holiness.

 

[QuestionTime]

The name of this thread is desceptive.
You should change it to 'You Too can be Calvinist"
Because this is a calvinistic view of the Law of God and Not the true interpretation of the 10 commandments.

Greetings Noah's Dad,

Unfortunately I have to disagree with you. This is the gospel that the Wesley's taught, William Booth taught, Andrew Murray taught, Hudson Taylor taught, Finney taught, Wigglesworth, Keith Green, etc..

Are the 10 commandments evil?
To be Christian is to be Christ Like........Jesus told how to be like Him,and to walk the walk He did,He Never once said that Youd Not have to do anything but believe in him ,In fact He said to believe ON Him and His sacrifice for one and All time,and you Will be saved,or your sins will be forgiven ,thereby taking away all need for the BLOOD ORDINANCES such as the need for circomcision and sacrificing bulls goats and sheep.Not Taking away the 10 commandments nor disanulling the blessings of Loving the Lord thy God with all your heart, mind ,and body......And loving your neighbor as you love yourself,which has been toted in another post on this very thread,but mysteriously over looked in favor of the calvonist point of view,not of works but of faith salvation,or better discribed as the Not of "faith but the Holy Spirit" movement,
If this theology were truely based in scripture only I dont think James would have addressed the theology in his book by phraising the term,Show me your faith and I'll show you my faith through my works"

I could be wrong in my guesstimation, but I think Noah's Dad, that you might be caught up in Phariseeism. Don't worry though, any sincere believer will start out with a passion to obey the entire will of God, and keep the Law to the letter. Then, after 2-10 years they begin to realize that their sin is too much for them. They fall into hopelessness and come to Christ in child like faith, realizing that they are thoroughly corrupt and unable to give anything to God to earn His' approval. That's where I am today.

True living faith in Jesus Christ will result in a perfect obedience. My initial post in this thread was intended to prove that a Christian is capable of perfect obedience, but only after the Entire Sanctification experience of living faith in Jesus Christ is obtained. This is what James is talking about.

Wesley said that all his works prior to his Sanctification experience were filthy and worth nothing but to be thrown into the fire that will never be quenched. (That included his missionary trip to America)

Quest

 

[QuestionTime]

This I find exasperating. Rather than accept scripture so many will ignore the plainly written words to hold to their own interpretation.
Yes Paul was speaking to people who had returned to law.

But in the verse I have quoted he said

If while we seek to be justified in Christ(that is not law) it be3comes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin?(why ask that if he is giving this as an example of being under law)
Absolutely not if I rebuild what I destroyed I prove that I am a lawbreaker. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live for Christ.

There is absolutely no way that Paul's example here is of what happens when we live under law, but under Christ.

But will you accept it?

I'm not sure if I follow the two of you and your debate.

16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

I admit this is difficult to understand. I can say that in verse 17 he says: "we seek to be justified by Christ." It's not saying "we seek to be justified by Law."

Matthew Henry (Calvinist, I know) Commentary on Galatians 2:15-19:

Paul, having thus shown he was not inferior to any apostle, not to Peter himself, speaks of the great foundation doctrine of the gospel. For what did we believe in Christ? Was it not that we might be justified by the faith of Christ? If so, is it not foolish to go back to the law, and to expect to be justified by the merit of moral works, or sacrifices, or ceremonies? The occasion of this declaration doubtless arose from the ceremonial law; but the argument is quite as strong against all dependence upon the works of the moral law, as respects justification. To give the greater weight to this, it is added, But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ the minister of sin? This would be very dishonourable to Christ, and also very hurtful to them. By considering the law itself, he saw that justification was not to be expected by the works of it, and that there was now no further need of the sacrifices and cleansings of it, since they were done away in Christ, by his offering up himself a sacrifice for us. He did not hope or fear any thing from it; any more than a dead man from enemies. But the effect was not a careless, lawless life. It was necessary, that he might live to God, and be devoted to him through the motives and grace of the gospel. It is no new prejudice, though a most unjust one, that the doctrine of justification by faith alone, tends to encourage people in sin. Not so, for to take occasion from free grace, or the doctrine of it, to live in sin, is to try to make Christ the minister of sin, at any thought of which all Christian hearts would shudder.

Does that help?

Quest

 

[livingbygrace]

Thanks Shad,

What you say sounds really good, but my wicked heart doesn't want to spend time reading God's Word. My wicked heart wants to spend it's time elsewhere.

My problem is that I don't want to do these things. I need a heart change in order to change a stony heart to a fleshy heart that desires God whole-heartedly. Jesus said His yolk was easy and His burden light. That's not been my experience.

Quest

I spent many years with a wicked heart that didn't want give God what he wanted from me. I believe that God knows where we are at and accepts us where we are. Christ died for sinners while they were yet without strength. That is amazing to me. Therefore the only way we could be changed was by trusting Jesus and the Holy Spirit's power within us.
It is God who gives us the heart of flesh, it is cnot of us oureselves. If there is one thing I have learnt it is that faith in Jesus is the only way to have victory in our lives.
If you ask for the stony heart to be removed it will be if you believe it will be done. The Bible could not be a book of truth otherwise.
Spurgeon wrote a booklet 'all of grace' it is full of wonderful rich truth. He said that we must just cling to Jesus when we are saved, like a limpet clings to a rock. It is his responsibility to change us, not ours. We can only sink if Christ sinks, and that is an impossibility.
I hope you don't mind me saying this. But I have wondered if you have tried to go too far too quickly from some of your comments. I know I have and have always failed miserably.
It really is only when we leave it in Christ's hands and trust him no matter what that I have found I can really grow as a Christian. We have ot forego feelings, the dispiriting thoughts Satan puts in our heads, and our natural zeal to be where we want to be in no time at all.
No-one who is able to forego those things and simply trust in Jesus can ever be disappointed.
And do not feel so negatively about yourself, please. Christians do not come on these websites often and broadcast their personal failings, but we all have them.
When the Apostle Paul became a Christian and received the Holy Spirit he did not immediately become the person in Christ that we read of, it took time. Her admitted that in Rom7 and confirmed the Christians trials in Gal215:21
The cross to me that is ours to take up is faith in Jesus actually letting him do in us what we cannot do for ourselves. Paul continually speaks of our only strength being the Holy Spirit.
For it is we who are the circumcision we who glory in Christ Jesus and worship by the Spirit and who put no confidence in the flesh. Phil3:3

If you trust Christ to change you he will. I thought I didn't have faith, so I pleaded for4 more. I really do believe the victory comes when we stop looking at ourselves and will to look to Jesus. If I look at myself as Peter did in the water I start to sink. I have learnt that now. My victory is nothing of self and all of Christ through the Spirit
God Bless

 

[VW]

simply, the believer is in christ jesus, by the holy spirit, and regardless of any law, the believer will not, cannot, walk in sin while in christ by the spirit. this is what paul taught. to go under the law is to go against the spirit, because the law is, and has always been, for the flesh. those who are spiritual, that is, in jesus, walking by the spirit, are not under the law, are not under obligation to the flesh or the law, but are under the power of the love of god, walking in newness of spirit in christ jesus.

 

[VW]

I spent many years with a wicked heart that didn't want give God what he wanted from me. I believe that God knows where we are at and accepts us where we are. Christ died for sinners while they were yet without strength. That is amazing to me. Therefore the only way we could be changed was by trusting Jesus and the Holy Spirit's power within us.
It is God who gives us the heart of flesh, it is cnot of us oureselves. If there is one thing I have learnt it is that faith in Jesus is the only way to have victory in our lives.
If you ask for the stony heart to be removed it will be if you believe it will be done. The Bible could not be a book of truth otherwise.
Spurgeon wrote a booklet 'all of grace' it is full of wonderful rich truth. He said that we must just cling to Jesus when we are saved, like a limpet clings to a rock. It is his responsibility to change us, not ours. We can only sink if Christ sinks, and that is an impossibility.
I hope you don't mind me saying this. But I have wondered if you have tried to go too far too quickly from some of your comments. I know I have and have always failed miserably.
It really is only when we leave it in Christ's hands and trust him no matter what that I have found I can really grow as a Christian. We have ot forego feelings, the dispiriting thoughts Satan puts in our heads, and our natural zeal to be where we want to be in no time at all.
No-one who is able to forego those things and simply trust in Jesus can ever be disappointed.
And do not feel so negatively about yourself, please. Christians do not come on these websites often and broadcast their personal failings, but we all have them.
When the Apostle Paul became a Christian and received the Holy Spirit he did not immediately become the person in Christ that we read of, it took time. Her admitted that in Rom7 and confirmed the Christians trials in Gal215:21
The cross to me that is ours to take up is faith in Jesus actually letting him do in us what we cannot do for ourselves. Paul continually speaks of our only strength being the Holy Spirit.
For it is we who are the circumcision we who glory in Christ Jesus and worship by the Spirit and who put no confidence in the flesh. Phil3:3

If you trust Christ to change you he will. I thought I didn't have faith, so I pleaded for4 more. I really do believe the victory comes when we stop looking at ourselves and will to look to Jesus. If I look at myself as Peter did in the water I start to sink. I have learnt that now. My victory is nothing of self and all of Christ through the Spirit
God Bless

amen. living in and by the holy spirit is grace.

 

[QuestionTime]

No-one who is able to forego those things and simply trust in Jesus can ever be disappointed.And do not feel so negatively about yourself, please. Christians do not come on these websites often and broadcast their personal failings, but we all have them.

Thanks so much for the kind and wise words LivingByGrace!

I seem to be getting this same comment repeatedly, that I am too negative. I personally don't feel that I speak negatively in CC, but maybe I do. I have received this same comment from people throughout my life also. I guess I had a hard life and though my confidence has improved dramatically, I still haven't recovered fully from my youth.

I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just trying to be humble according to a living example from my old Church, Wesley's description of the Moravians, etc..

Quest

 

[livingbygrace]

Thanks so much for the kind and wise words LivingByGrace!

I seem to be getting this same comment repeatedly, that I am too negative. I personally don't feel that I speak negatively in CC, but maybe I do. I have received this same comment from people throughout my life also. I guess I had a hard life and though my confidence has improved dramatically, I still haven't recovered fully from my youth.

I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just trying to be humble according to a living example from my old Church, Wesley's description of the Moravians, etc..

Quest

Thank you for your reply.
I too had an unhappy childhood. I ended up in Borstal. I became a Christian and learned of grace. God dramatically changed me. When I was released my life had changed beyond all recognition. I went to a meeting and a well known minister prayed with me and said that God had got a work for me to do. What did I do after all God had done for me? I went my oewn way and entered into a relationship he told me not to go into. How could I do that? It cost me thirty years of unhappiness. I thought God could never forgive me for treating him so badly. But I know now he has, but I mean this I will never understand a love that can be so forgiving to someone who treated God's kindness to me the way I did in my youth.
I would like to add that I have had a problem with knowing scripture due to continually reading it, but my life fell well short of the Biblical knowledge I had attained over the years. This I found can have a detremental affect. Instead of wanting to simply trust in Jesus and grow with him again, I wanted to be far beyond that with head knowledge of scripture. But now I know that head knowledge of scripture is nothing if I have not learnt in my heart to trust and depend on Jesus.
I also know he called me in the first place not because I was a good person, but because he chooses whom he will, and he shows mercy on whom he will as Paul said.

And it is Satan who wants you have negative thoughts about yoursaelf. Spurgeon said that when we become Christians the Devil plants impure thoughts and much else in our lives to try and dispirt us and make us turn from looking to Jesus.
When Luther was being changed and at times failing as we all do, satan said to him. 'So you're a sinner.
Luther replied. Yes I am, but Christ died for sinners. He said that was cutting the devils head off in our lives.

And satan will try and dispirit you. People who have led unhappy lives can be used so wonderfully to help others who have suffered that way. People are always more prepared to listen to people who have been where they are
God Bless
I know you will be OK

 

[VW]

Thanks so much for the kind and wise words LivingByGrace!

I seem to be getting this same comment repeatedly, that I am too negative. I personally don't feel that I speak negatively in CC, but maybe I do. I have received this same comment from people throughout my life also. I guess I had a hard life and though my confidence has improved dramatically, I still haven't recovered fully from my youth.

I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just trying to be humble according to a living example from my old Church, Wesley's description of the Moravians, etc..

Quest

a hard life is sometimes a blessing, depending on the heart.

i struggle with intense anger for those who are willfully blind, who chose to not see, who go as if there was no god who loves us and keeps us in his heart.

i believed the gospel as it was preached to me, and i came close to being ****ed. if not for the very undeserving love of god, i would have continued to live a lie, against him. god saves sinners by taking the sinner to the cross, and crucifying them in jesus. no more sinner, just a child who needs to learn to walk in his love, all the time, for everyone. if we stop and think about it, it really makes spiritual sense. god often wanted to kill all of the children od israel, and start over with moses. he did that with us, starting over with jesus as our beginning.

our god does not do things half-way.

 

[VW]

Thank you for your reply.
I too had an unhappy childhood. I ended up in Borstal. I became a Christian and learned of grace. God dramatically changed me. When I was released my life had changed beyond all recognition. I went to a meeting and a well known minister prayed with me and said that God had got a work for me to do. What did I do after all God had done for me? I went my oewn way and entered into a relationship he told me not to go into. How could I do that? It cost me thirty years of unhappiness. I thought God could never forgive me for treating him so badly. But I know now he has, but I mean this I will never understand a love that can be so forgiving to someone who treated God's kindness to me the way I did in my youth.
I would like to add that I have had a problem with knowing scripture due to continually reading it, but my life fell well short of the Biblical knowledge I had attained over the years. This I found can have a detremental affect. Instead of wanting to simply trust in Jesus and grow with him again, I wanted to be far beyond that with head knowledge of scripture. But now I know that head knowledge of scripture is nothing if I have not learnt in my heart to trust and depend on Jesus.
I also know he called me in the first place not because I was a good person, but because he chooses whom he will, and he shows mercy on whom he will as Paul said.

And it is Satan who wants you have negative thoughts about yoursaelf. Spurgeon said that when we become Christians the Devil plants impure thoughts and much else in our lives to try and dispirt us and make us turn from looking to Jesus.
When Luther was being changed and at times failing as we all do, satan said to him. 'So you're a sinner.
Luther replied. Yes I am, but Christ died for sinners. He said that was cutting the devils head off in our lives.

And satan will try and dispirit you. People who have led unhappy lives can be used so wonderfully to help others who have suffered that way. People are always more prepared to listen to people who have been where they are
God Bless
I know you will be OK

god knows us completely, before he saves us, and he takes each moment and works it for good, if we remember that we love him. 10 years past, god has let me remain silent of all that he revealed to me, just on hold, not speaking to anyone. was there any fault? no, just things come in his time.

who is able to understand him with whom we are enslaved to?

 

[livingbygrace]

who is able to understand him with whom we are enslaved to?[/quote]

Are we supposed to understand him, or just trust him?

 

[VW]

who is able to understand him with whom we are enslaved to?

Are we supposed to understand him, or just trust him?[/quote]

trust, and love.

i was speaking to how he deals with us as individuals,.

 

[NoahsDad]

The name of this thread is desceptive.
You should change it to 'You Too can be Calvinist"
Because this is a calvinistic view of the Law of God and Not the true interpretation of the 10 commandments.
Are the 10 commandments evil?
To be Christian is to be Christ Like........Jesus told how to be like Him,and to walk the walk He did,He Never once said that Youd Not have to do anything but believe in him ,In fact He said to believe ON Him and His sacrifice for one and All time,and you Will be saved,or your sins will be forgiven ,thereby taking away all need for the BLOOD ORDINANCES such as the need for circomcision and sacrificing bulls goats and sheep.Not Taking away the 10 commandments nor disanulling the blessings of Loving the Lord thy God with all your heart, mind ,and body......And loving your neighbor as you love yourself,which has been quoted in another post on this very thread,but mysteriously over looked in favor of the calvonist point of view,not of works but of faith salvation,or better discribed as the Not of "faith but the Holy Spirit" movement,
If this theology were truely based in scripture only I dont think James would have addressed the theology in his book by phraising the term,Show me your faith and I'll show you my faith through my works"

Ok,Now I'll finish what I started.
Let me elaborate on what I was trying to say.One reply I got on my post is to supply verses so here goes.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Notice the Till heaven and earth pass away part.)
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Now one fellow said I was a pharasee,Was Jesus being a pharasee when He said this? The very same thing I posted about the Law of God?
You guys are missing ther whole point of what Paul was saying in Galations,Hebrews ,& Romans when speaking about the LAW.
The Law Paul is speaking of are the blood ordinances and sacrifices,like circumcision,in which the jewish and Israeli followers were trying to impute to the gentiles,observing the food laws and holy days and sabbaths,Not the 10 commandments
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;Here's a few more to back up what I'm saying.......
Rom_14:2, Rom_14:6, Rom_14:14-17, Rom_14:20-21; 1Co_8:7-13; 1Ti_4:3-5; Heb_9:10; Heb_13:9
,The only thing the 10 commandments demand is that you love God more than anything else and that you love eachother as you love yourselves,and if you cant do that you aint even close to bein christ like.

Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Now the same feller accused me of being a New believer,Well Surprise!!!!! I've been studying the Bible for 16 years and .I know how to read and follow the subject of a paragraph,and even a whole chapter.
I suggest He learn to do the same.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
And This one Backs up What I was saying about the circumsision Paul was Talking about. ( The Law Paul is speaking of are the blood ordinances and sacrifices,like circumcision)
Gal 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
Gal 5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Now I agree with the title of this post."You can love the Lord God with all your heart ,mind and body"..............
But you cant do it if youre gunna throw out all His words and live your life the way you want to,by throwing out all He said to do and justifying it by sayin that Paul said so,which aint even close to being true.

 

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Ok,Now I'll finish what I started.
Let me elaborate on what I was trying to say.One reply I got on my post is to supply verses so here goes.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Notice the Till heaven and earth pass away part.)
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Now one fellow said I was a pharasee,Was Jesus being a pharasee when He said this? The very same thing I posted about the Law of God?
You guys are missing ther whole point of what Paul was saying in Galations,Hebrews ,& Romans when speaking about the LAW.
The Law Paul is speaking of are the blood ordinances and sacrifices,like circumcision,in which the jewish and Israeli followers were trying to impute to the gentiles,observing the food laws and holy days and sabbaths,Not the 10 commandments
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;Here's a few more to back up what I'm saying.......
Rom_14:2, Rom_14:6, Rom_14:14-17, Rom_14:20-21; 1Co_8:7-13; 1Ti_4:3-5; Heb_9:10; Heb_13:9
,The only thing the 10 commandments demand is that you love God more than anything else and that you love eachother as you love yourselves,and if you cant do that you aint even close to bein christ like.

Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Now the same feller accused me of being a New believer,Well Surprise!!!!! I've been studying the Bible for 16 years and .I know how to read and follow the subject of a paragraph,and even a whole chapter.
I suggest He learn to do the same.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
And This one Backs up What I was saying about the circumsision Paul was Talking about. ( The Law Paul is speaking of are the blood ordinances and sacrifices,like circumcision)
Gal 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
Gal 5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Now I agree with the title of this post."You can love the Lord God with all your heart ,mind and body"..............
But you cant do it if youre gunna throw out all His words and live your life the way you want to,by throwing out all He said to do and justifying it by sayin that Paul said so,which aint even close to being tru

For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at5 work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said "Do not Covet" But sin, seizing the oppurtunity afforded by the commandment produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law sin is dead.
Once I was aloive apart from law, but when the commandment came sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life brought death imnstead.
For sin, seizing the oppurtunity afforded by the commandment deceived me and through the Commandment put me to death. Rom7:5-11
How can you say Paul was not talking of the Ten Commandments when he discussed the law, coveting is one of them.

Also Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to discuss with the leaders of the church which Jewish laws the Gentile converts should be asked to keep. The decision was to abstain from foodpolluted by idols, sexual immorality, from meat5 of strangled animals and blood. Three of which were to appease Jewish legalists, that left sexual immorality. Can you tell me how these Church leaders which included Jesus disciples and heard alkl of his teachings could have been so wrong?

But you miss the whole point here, it is by dying to the law Paul said that he could live for Christ. Many times he said we are not under law, and because of that sin is not our master.

Do we then nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather we uphold the law. Rom3:31

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