You really NEED to prayerfully consider getting out of your church!

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AtonedFor

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Only if Eph 2:8-9 is "the easy-grace gospel."
'Tis indeed.
It only describes the very beginning of the BACs acceptance into the brotherhood,
or however it is described.
 
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AtonedFor

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Oh the utter arrogance of some people, who claim to know all churches and their faults.
Really, I don't know how I am going to replace my church family when I move next month!
Hey, you sound like those who hated all of God's prophets, His watchmen, and etc.!

Hey, praise the Lord ... you're goin' to one of the good 10%.

You're going to replace your church family by lookin' for
as good a church as you have now, or a better one!

So, what's to be so grumpy about?
 
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'Tis indeed.
It only describes the very beginning of the BACs acceptance into the brotherhood,
or however it is described.
Yes, salvation begins with faith alone (Eph 2:8-9)
but true faith is never alone, it always results in obedience.

New birth--->faith--->salvation--->obedience of faith to holiness.
 

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Angela, your church sounds a lot like mine. Our pastors are focusing on the same things:) I will be praying for you, that you can find a church family that you love as much as the one you have now. I don't know what I would do if I had to move away from my church and all of the people there.
 
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AtonedFor

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Please excuse me, but I must make it clear that
what the Spirit-filled BACs on Internet radio are
most upset about re: today's churches is ...
there is
NO preparation of their little sheep for what is coming soon!

And this includes warning them that there will be
NO pre-tribulation rapture.
This means they will be going through the time of the antichrist,
and thus will be going through the most horrific Christian persecution of all time!

Further good news includes:
this will be happening soon ... within months, as opposed to a few years.

If you knew the statistics ...
you would be aware that over 50% of anonymously-polled pastors
say they are in bondage to
Internet pornography.
But, deliverance is possible through the Lord Jesus Christ (if they believe it).

It is NO wonder that the churches are also failing to go out and reach the lost
(which is a disaster because the time is short),
and ...
it is NO wonder that there will be
NO revival (if this church leadership problem continues).
 
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Every church today is CORPORATE. most believe this means a body from the Latin corpus.
I believe it means dead body and was a brainchild of the Roman Catholic church of the dead.

As was control of academia and control of the popular meaning of the word (to deceive protestants)

'In 1881, Pope Leo XIII commissioned theologians and social thinkers to study corporatism and provide a definition for it.On the fortieth anniversary of the publishing of Rerum Novarum, Pope Pius XI in Quadragesimo Anno (1931) advocated Christian corporatism...

In response to the rise in popularity of Roman Catholic corporatism in the 1890s, Protestant corporatism arose,"

Christian corporatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


If anyone here has informaion on how churches were formed prior to corporations , I'd appreciate it if you could message me, as a group of men I know wish to start one, expect opposition from government, and need somehing concrete to show that uncorporatised churches are our real law, and corporate ones the compromise of venal men.
 
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phil112

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and do what then? Don't go at all? There has never been a perfect church. So, would it be better to abtstain fro meeting together to support each other and learn or sit at home on our thumbs?
what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
It only takes 2 people to have church, and it can be done on any day, if you can only meet with 2 or 3, that believe, at times besides sunday.
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Paul covered that.
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.
And yes, it is better to stay home than go to a church in apostacy that is unwilling to correct it's errors.
 
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phil112

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Every church today is CORPORATE....................
That's not even close to being true. There are many thousands that are affiliated with no other church. I know of maybe a dozen here in my town.
 

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That's not even close to being true. There are many thousands that are affiliated with no other church. I know of maybe a dozen here in my town.
Phil could you find out how it is done please?
Every church in Australia is a corporation.
The government won't allow them not to be.
Hence everyone christened in them are corporations legally.
 
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AtonedFor

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It only takes 2 people to have church, and it can be done on any day, if you can only meet with 2 or 3, that believe
... And yes, it is better to stay home than go to a church in apostacy that is unwilling to correct it's errors.
Yes, you have the picture ... the best situation is a small group of dedicated believers,
who are committed to studying the Scriptures openly and honestly.

Seminary graduates please do not apply ... you are all brainwashed.
Ditto for university-trained students in theology.

Of course, not having pre-conceived biases, false doctrines, etc. is more difficult.

The most-blessed are those new believers with absolutely NO church background!


The whole bottom line is ... Christians do NOT have a revelation that
Satan is
"the god/ruler of this world/age" (John 12:31, 2 Cor 4:4) ...
which is to say: they have been deceived about a lot of things!
 

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atoned a church is more than just a place for fellowship.
It has a place in the law.Protestant law of England(which is America's real law too)
It creates our names,marriage contracts etc
And this , I believe, will become relevant to many soon. When they opt not to take the mark of the beast.
I think a more formal church is required than 2 or 3 people discussing scripture with the holy spirit. Because we have all contracted ourselves out of such freedom.
This may not mean anything to you now, but it may in future.
 
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Anonimous

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Unless you participate in a church of real people rather than analyse everyone over the internet, and listen to what people say over the radio...who also do not go to church... then there is no correct basis for your assumptions. I would remind you that Jesus hunker down on a cloud somewhere and shake his head at us. he came down and lived among us. The very least all these anti-assembly judges can do is the same.
 

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Ive experienced the holy spirit in an online church Anon(Justice Boshoff a sth african-doesnt hold his service anymore)

scary implications to that if you think on it for a while.
(his message was come out of the churches , by coincidence)

If anyone has any insight on what Im talking about re:corporations maybe I should start a new thread.
particularly would appreciate insight from old timers who have lived through all the incrementalism of corporate communism
 
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phil112

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Phil could you find out how it is done please?
Every church in Australia is a corporation.
The government won't allow them not to be.
Hence everyone christened in them are corporations legally.
Yep, here it is simply a matter of hanging a sign on the building that says "church".
A corporate church would be one that, in most cases except for the very large independents, is affiliated with a particular religion or denomination. Here in the states. to my knowledge, there are no guidelines to establish a church.
I should add - from the governments standpoint. There is no set of rules that says what you can or can't preach. Setting up one as a non-profit church is a little different, but it doesn't require "corporation" status.
 

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I'll call it "corporate christians- the church of the dead"
 

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Yep, here it is simply a matter of hanging a sign on the building that says "church".
A corporate church would be one that, in most cases except for the very large independents, is affiliated with a particular religion or denomination. Here in the states. to my knowledge, there are no guidelines to establish a church.
I should add - from the governments standpoint. There is no set of rules that says what you can or can't preach. Setting up one as a non-profit church is a little different, but it doesn't require "corporation" status.

Thanks Phil.
And their baptism /christening certifictes and marriage contracts are recognised in law?
 

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Anyone who has insights I put the corporate christians thread in "miscellaneus" section.
 
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Tintin

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OP, I don't know you from a bar of soap and frankly, right now, I'd prefer a bar of soap.

Because I'm running low.
 
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Tintin

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Phil could you find out how it is done please?
Every church in Australia is a corporation.
The government won't allow them not to be.
Hence everyone christened in them are corporations legally.
Oh, all knowing one. How do you know such things are true?
Every church in Australia - that's a huge claim. Care to back it up with evidence? Oops, you don't have any!
 

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You really NEED to consider:

WHAT the problem is … WHY there is a problem … What you need to understand

Your church should be teaching …
abstain from sin, sincerely repent of all your sins, have a strong powerful faith to believe that
God will answer all of your righteous prayers, and prepare to go through the tribulation!
SO a church that does everything right but thinks the church will be raptured out before the tribulation is a church that people should leave? How ridiculous.

I also detect the poison of saying that if you believe and pray in the right way God will be a vending machine and answer all your prayers... WRONG.


The HOly SPirit should be the guiding force as to if a church is right or wrong, not your check list of your own personal beliefs.

As I said in previous posts, the main problems are often missed due to bickering over the trivial and insignificant.