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do you think 'rise Peter, kill and eat' contradicts, countermands or over-rules 'thou shalt not murder' ?
o wait. it occurs to me that you are saying this and forming your thoughts this way solely because KJV has 'kill' in Exodus 20:13, isn't it?
are you aware that there, the Hebrew is "ratsach" but for example, in Judges 16:30 ((where Samson brings down the temple)) the word is "muth" where it says, 'he killed/slew more there than he killed/slew in his life' ?
do you at least know that these are two different words with two different nuanced meanings?
o wait. it occurs to me that you are saying this and forming your thoughts this way solely because KJV has 'kill' in Exodus 20:13, isn't it?
are you aware that there, the Hebrew is "ratsach" but for example, in Judges 16:30 ((where Samson brings down the temple)) the word is "muth" where it says, 'he killed/slew more there than he killed/slew in his life' ?
do you at least know that these are two different words with two different nuanced meanings?
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You obviously have no idea what you are talking about!! Here are the dictionary definitions in modern English. In 1611 kill meant first degree murder. Not so today!!!
Definitions of Kill and Murder
kill1
/kil/
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verb
1.
cause the death of (a person, animal, or other living thing).
"her father was killed in a car crash"
synonyms: murder, cause the death of, take/end the life of, do away with, make away with, assassinate, do to death, eliminate, terminate, dispatch, finish off, put to death, execute; More
2.
put an end to or cause the failure or defeat of (something).
"the committee voted to kill the project"
synonyms: destroy, put an end to, bring to an end, be the end of, end, extinguish, dash, quell, quash, ruin, wreck, shatter, smash, crush, scotch; More
noun
1.
an act of killing, especially of one animal by another.
"a lion has made a kill"
synonyms: death blow, killing, act of killing, dispatch; conclusion, ending, finish, end, climax; coup de grâce
"the wolf was moving in for the kill"
mur·der
/ˈmərdər/
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noun
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
verb
1.
kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.
"somebody tried to murder Joe"
This is the reason why the commandment in KJV "Thou shalt not kill." is translated in modern translations as "You shall not murder." 408 years of language changes!!
Definitions of Kill and Murder
kill1
/kil/
Learn to pronounce
verb
1.
cause the death of (a person, animal, or other living thing).
"her father was killed in a car crash"
synonyms: murder, cause the death of, take/end the life of, do away with, make away with, assassinate, do to death, eliminate, terminate, dispatch, finish off, put to death, execute; More
2.
put an end to or cause the failure or defeat of (something).
"the committee voted to kill the project"
synonyms: destroy, put an end to, bring to an end, be the end of, end, extinguish, dash, quell, quash, ruin, wreck, shatter, smash, crush, scotch; More
noun
1.
an act of killing, especially of one animal by another.
"a lion has made a kill"
synonyms: death blow, killing, act of killing, dispatch; conclusion, ending, finish, end, climax; coup de grâce
"the wolf was moving in for the kill"
mur·der
/ˈmərdər/
Learn to pronounce
noun
1.
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
"the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
verb
1.
kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.
"somebody tried to murder Joe"
This is the reason why the commandment in KJV "Thou shalt not kill." is translated in modern translations as "You shall not murder." 408 years of language changes!!
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If people cant figure out what Thou shalt not Kill means Im sorry they must be a bit slow.
Rememeber this was the very first time Moses gave Gods laws to the Israelites. he also wrote the first five books explaining the laws in more detail. In Genesis, life must be given for life and that even includes for an animal. See what God told Noah in Genesis.
When people sinned, a life must be given. This is why they had to make animal sacrifices. Because God didnt want MORE of His people to be killed, and He didnt want them killing each other.
Remmeber too, that its said the devil only comes to steal KILL and destroy. This is in my KJV Bible, I dont know if others say murder, but also it does say He was a murderer from the beginning.
The words are interchangeable and one encompasses the other. It is not like there were not both words kill and murder in english back when they translated the KJV. Context people.
This is why you need to read more scripture and not get fixated on single words. Making mountains out of molehills!
Really? Dont you have anything better to do than argue over single words? Go spread the Word, or go give a Bible to someone who needs it. Give them a translation that God places on your heart to give and PRAY.
Rememeber this was the very first time Moses gave Gods laws to the Israelites. he also wrote the first five books explaining the laws in more detail. In Genesis, life must be given for life and that even includes for an animal. See what God told Noah in Genesis.
When people sinned, a life must be given. This is why they had to make animal sacrifices. Because God didnt want MORE of His people to be killed, and He didnt want them killing each other.
Remmeber too, that its said the devil only comes to steal KILL and destroy. This is in my KJV Bible, I dont know if others say murder, but also it does say He was a murderer from the beginning.
The words are interchangeable and one encompasses the other. It is not like there were not both words kill and murder in english back when they translated the KJV. Context people.
This is why you need to read more scripture and not get fixated on single words. Making mountains out of molehills!
Really? Dont you have anything better to do than argue over single words? Go spread the Word, or go give a Bible to someone who needs it. Give them a translation that God places on your heart to give and PRAY.
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I get frustrated with those ignoring the fact language changes over the years. An example is odor. Originally it was a complement if someone said you had an odor. It slowly became negative. Smell replaced it as a compliment. Today if someone says you smell it is negative unless they qualify it lke smell nice. Why the stubborn resistance to changes in meaning over the 408 years since the KJV translation was done?
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With the changes in language over the years a modern translation needs to be used. I use my smartphone as my Bible with my browser having a web page set to biblegateway.com. I can select book and chapter. Then I can easily go between translations seeing how each translation words it. I mostly use NIV, ESV, AMPC, and KJV. Use others on occasion. KJV has a verse translated as "The carnal mind is enmity against God." other translations give much longer phrases, saying the same thing. It has its advantages along with its disadvantages. There needs to be an understanding of its disadvantages.
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Insults again? Are you so slow that you can't understand that insults are both unnecessary and inappropriate?
If a domestic animal takes the life of another domestic animal, then it is the first animal's life for the second, not a man's life for the animal.
If the words are interchangeable, then one CANNOT encompass the other. Your two statements are incompatible.
All murder is killing; not all killing is murder. It really is as simple as that. You cannot use the two terms interchangeably in modern English and expect to be completely clear.
If a domestic animal takes the life of another domestic animal, then it is the first animal's life for the second, not a man's life for the animal.
If the words are interchangeable, then one CANNOT encompass the other. Your two statements are incompatible.
All murder is killing; not all killing is murder. It really is as simple as that. You cannot use the two terms interchangeably in modern English and expect to be completely clear.
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The Ten Commandments were given to man and not to either plants or animals. In it is his responsibilty to God and responsibility to his mankind. When the context is shown, killing is meant to ending a persons life, never an animal or a plant life. Is the kjv in error by virtue that it has been old and change meaning? Not really, the etymoligical nature carries the same meaning as murder. The difference that a choice of kill instead of murder is perhaps because it is one syllable and easily retain in the mind rather than two syllabic words mur der . Well, i am not saying murder is incorrect either, yet faulting kjv is no sense.
This kill/murder debate is ridiculous. The KJV is self-contradictory anyway...
Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
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I gave an example of killing not being murder that happens too often. You are going through an inteersc
intersection with a green light. A car illegally on a cross street runs the red light. You hit it in the drivers side door killing the person. That is not your fault and is not murder. Trying to make the case that this would be murder is impossible!!
intersection with a green light. A car illegally on a cross street runs the red light. You hit it in the drivers side door killing the person. That is not your fault and is not murder. Trying to make the case that this would be murder is impossible!!
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I study from a 2011 edition of NIV every day. I use 1611 KJV for memory verses because it takes more concentration to memorize and understand the archaic language. My Scripture search defaults are Bible Gateway and Bible hub. I like the Berean translation also. I don't have a phone, I use skype instead. ('cause it's free.)
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