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crossnote

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I just skimmed through all 150 Psalms, and guess what? They ALL have either the word 'God' or 'Lord' or both...not ambiguous.
I was wondering why a number of CCM lyrics use neither God, Lord, or Jesus?
Example: You Raise Me Up.
 
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Just because a song has "God" or "Jesus", it doesn't automatically signify them as Christian songs. Many secular songs like country involve God and Jesus but that doesn't necessarily make them Christian..
 
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Just because a song has "God" or "Jesus", it doesn't automatically signify them as Christian songs. Many secular songs like country involve God and Jesus but that doesn't necessarily make them Christian..
And why should I deduce that when someone says "you raise me up" is talking about God? Maybe he`s talking about his girlfriend.
 
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And why should I deduce that when someone says "you raise me up" is talking about God? Maybe he`s talking about his girlfriend.
I never said you should...I was just going off of Crossnote's logic that a song is only Christian just because they mention "God" or "Jesus". I never said You Raise Me Up was Christian. You were twisting my words into something I didn't say..
 
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I never said you should...I was just going off of Crossnote's logic that a song is only Christian just because they mention "God" or "Jesus". I never said You Raise Me Up was Christian. You were twisting my words into something I didn't say..
Crossnote`s question was very legitim and honest. Why is God missing from the songs that are supposedly aimed to Him?
It is not by accident that all the psalms contain God or Lord (like Crossnote pointed out).
We are not spared of the great danger and mistake that the jews made in the desert when they confused God with Baal because they have let themselves led by emotions and feelings (as sincere as they might be).
 
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Most CCM is utter garbage.
 

crossnote

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I never said you should...I was just going off of Crossnote's logic that a song is only Christian just because they mention "God" or "Jesus". I never said You Raise Me Up was Christian. You were twisting my words into something I didn't say..
My logic is that the Psalms sets 150 examples of songs with the words God/Lord and Zero Psalms without them.
Now if you are going to call a song ''CHRISTian'' wouldn't you think it have reference to God/Lord/Jesus ?
I'm sorry but it becomes tempting to think that perhaps the music industry in order to keep up the big bucks keeps from offending.
 

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Maybe because we write differently than they did back in the day? When you write a buddy in an email or letter, how many times do you say their name? Even if you're complimenting them? I don't even say God or Jesus much when I'm praying directly too him. He knows I'm talking to him so why repeat his name a hundred times in a prayer (some people do do this and I find it quite odd... it just feels like they have to keep reminding themselves who they're talking too)? It's just different times. In the psalms, O Lord and such are interjected in places that we don't interject names or titles and stuff today. Forcing God's name into a song where in normal writing, we would never do it with anyone else, King, Queen, or otherwise just seems forced and out of place because we don't talk like that anymore. All the O Lord and stuff in Psalms remind me more of how they wrote back in Shakespeare's day.

And "You Raise Me Up" was never a "Christian" song. It was adopted by churches later but I never thought of it as Christian song. Seems to much of a love song... in a "I'm in love" kind of way. And forgive me but I feel uncomfortable singing songs to God that feel like you are "In love" with God rather than just "love" God. I'm not in love with my mom or my dad. That just sounds perverted and twisted. I do love my mom and dad though. Too many "Christian" songs that directly addressing God sound more like the person is in love with someone than just love God. If they didn't stick God's name in there, I would have thought they were singing to a boyfriend or a girlfriend... and to be honest, I'm disturbed they are singing to God in such a way.
 
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Maybe because we write differently than they did back in the day? When you write a buddy in an email or letter, how many times do you say their name? Even if you're complimenting them? I don't even say God or Jesus much when I'm praying directly too him. He knows I'm talking to him so why repeat his name a hundred times in a prayer (some people do do this and I find it quite odd... it just feels like they have to keep reminding themselves who they're talking too)? It's just different times. In the psalms, O Lord and such are interjected in places that we don't interject names or titles and stuff today. Forcing God's name into a song where in normal writing, we would never do it with anyone else, King, Queen, or otherwise just seems forced and out of place because we don't talk like that anymore. All the O Lord and stuff in Psalms remind me more of how they wrote back in Shakespeare's day.
The religious imaginary of some people never cease to astonish me...
Why do people feel the need to up-date God and faith? Maybe the answer lies in the syntagm "your own personal Jesus".
The difference between the psalms and some modern "christian" songs is that the psalms are both praising God and confessing Him (the psalms state eternal truths, theological truths) while the modern christian artist is moved by a pietist sentimentalism that focuses more on his subjective feelings and not on the truth. I am sure that these christian artists are sincere and that their intentions are good, but that doesn't protect them from making themselves mental idols...quite on the contrary.
 
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[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. [SUP]22 [/SUP]You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.[SUP]24 [/SUP]God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”


What do you think worshiping the Father in the Spirit and in truth means?
 

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i wonder why more Christian artists don't sing the Psalms. why we don't set them to music and sing them when we congregate together.

with a few exceptions, notably the Australian folk band "Sons of Korah," the majority of the psalms i know of set to music are by largely unpopular metal and hard rock groups.

more Psalms, please, i say.

of course my experience is limited. i don't like CCM much just as a stylistic matter.
 

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i wonder why more Christian artists don't sing the Psalms. why we don't set them to music and sing them when we congregate together.

with a few exceptions, notably the Australian folk band "Sons of Korah," the majority of the psalms i know of set to music are by largely unpopular metal and hard rock groups.

more Psalms, please, i say.

of course my experience is limited. i don't like CCM much just as a stylistic matter.
The Jesus people, a.k.a. freaks, did so in the early '70's but it was short lived as commercialism slowly took over.
 

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Another example this time 'touchy-feely'

THE MORE I SEEK YOU

The more I seek you,
The more I find you
The more I find you, the more I love you

I want to sit at your feet
Drink from the cup in your hand.
Lay back against you and breath, feel your heart beat
This love is so deep, its more than I can stand
I melt in your peace, its overwhelming

Kari Jobe - The More I Seek You Lyrics | MetroLyrics