AMERICAN HEALTH CARE ACT

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How Would You Vote on the AHCA>?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • No

    Votes: 4 33.3%
  • Don't know anything about it...

    Votes: 6 50.0%

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    12
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peacenik

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Your projection schtick is getting old. I've seen your creepy messages you've sent to a few of the young ladies around here in the past. You're a weirdo and no Christian.


LOL. Thank you for continually portraying yourself in such a truthful light. Hopefully, God will forgive all your sins.







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Shrimp,




The Government needs to get out of healthcare completely, it is not a right and the Constitution did not delegate such things to the Government.












The market has never been a valid source for giving access to health care for indigent Americans.



As for the Constitution, it also does not have any provision for Americans financing health care for Israel or for doing so in Europe under the Marshall Plan. While payment on the latter stopped, they continue on the former to this day. Yet, we see no objection from anyone. At the same time, as I have proven with an earlier post, Israel's socialist health care was praised by Republican Mitt Romney.





One last item:


Trump: GOP health plan will bring 'real healthcare' and 'tumbling' premiums





A report from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released last month showed that under the House GOP leadership's American Health Care Act (AHCA), which Trump supported, average premiums for single people buying insurance in the individual market would drop 10 percent by 2026.
But premiums for older and low-income people could be higher than they currently are under ObamaCare. That's because, as the bill stands, insurers would be able to charge older people five times more than younger people, and tax credits would be based on age, not income.
Changes being discussed to the AHCA currently could also cause higher costs for people with pre-existing conditions.
Various analyses, including a report from Standard & Poor's, have also disputed claims that ObamaCare is in a "death spiral."
The report found that while the market is not yet fully stable, more insurers will soon be making money on the exchanges if the law does not undergo drastic change.Congress returns from a two-week recess Tuesday, and members are expected to revive talks on the GOP's ObamaCare replacement plan.
Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) told members Saturday during a conference call that a deal between centrists and conservatives is close, but there would be no vote until it's certain there are enough votes to pass the legislation.
The AHCA was pulled from the House floor last month because it didn't have enough votes to pass.
Since then, conservative and moderate Republicans have tried to find common ground on the legislation but have made little progress.
Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.), co-chairman of the moderate Tuesday Group, and Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), chairman of the conservative Freedom Caucus, have been in discussions throughout recess working on an amendment they say will bring people together.
The MacArthur amendment would allow states to waive ObamaCare's "community rating" requirement that bans insurers from charging sick people more for coverage — as long as the state has a high-risk pool for people priced out of the health insurance market.
It would also allow states to waive ObamaCare's essential health benefits, which mandate what services insurers must cover in their insurance plans such as mental healthcare and the cost of some prescription drugs.
It's unclear if those changes are enough to help Republicans get enough votes, but some moderate Republicans, including Reps. Frank LoBiondo (N.J.) and Dan Donovan (N.Y.), have said they are still plan to vote no on the bill.




Trump: GOP health plan will bring 'real healthcare' and 'tumbling' premiums | TheHill






Trump's so called plan lacks specificity as to how it will accomplish its promises. Further, the sources shown give analyses that do not square with his views.



On that basis, we all await concrete proof that Trump's proposals have any validity or offer better alternatives to ACA.
 
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This from the guy who was telling 16 year old girls how pretty they were. You've covered your tracks pretty well but I still see you for the lying deceitful evil perverted man you are.
 
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And furthermore Peacenik. There are a few on this site who actually know who I am and can vouch for my good character. YOU.......NOT SO MUCH. I know in my heart that you are scumbag liar lower life form and if you aren't gone from this site by the end of the month I will be. I used to donate money to this place before you came along. Looks like the mods have a choice to make before I open my wallet again. I won't occupy the same space as a dirtbag like you any longer.
 
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Susanna

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I'm not sure whether to offer my two cents here, but it's obvious that the feud between two members here is about to escalate. It would be awfully nice if you two gentlemen did not communicate with each other for a while. Thank you.
 
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I'm not sure whether to offer my two cents here, but it's obvious that the feud between two members here is about to escalate. It would be awfully nice if you two gentlemen did not communicate with each other for a while. Thank you.
This is the end of the line. I can't take this character anymore. It's him or me.
 
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I'm not sure whether to offer my two cents here, but it's obvious that the feud between two members here is about to escalate. It would be awfully nice if you two gentlemen did not communicate with each other for a while. Thank you.
:)Hi Susanna,I don't understand how a person can get THAT angry,I always thought peacenik was letting them go too far.
 
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:)Hi Susanna,I don't understand how a person can get THAT angry,I always thought peacenik was letting them go too far.
You're assuming there is anger. Aren't you supposed to possess some wisdom and discernment? You don't even have the courage to address me directly.
 
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And its odd that you come to the defense of a man who obviously supports people who support baby murder....as you have shown you yourself even do....'seedtime'. So ya...I suppose there is some anger that a christian site gives a voice to someone like him. This should be a place where at least babies are safe.
 
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And its odd that you come to the defense of a man who obviously supports people who support baby murder....as you have shown you yourself even do....'seedtime'. So ya...I suppose there is some anger that a christian site gives a voice to someone like him. This should be a place where at least babies are safe.
Just remember Kris. This world is not going to Promote the Lord Jesus Christ. We as believers do. We are not here to change this world, we are here to show this lost and dying world the light of Christ.

And honestly, as soon as this site shut down "hyper-grace" discussion............the truth had a spear put it's side. The legalist defined Freegrace as "sin all you want." mention Grace and all one is saying is, " Sit on your butt, sin all you want, glide into heaven."

Like Utah, all grace believers will eventually be banned or just quit. Our voice will be snuffed out.
 

shrimp

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This is obviously NOT about healthcare anymore. I'm out.
 

peacenik

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:)Hi Susanna,I don't understand how a person can get THAT angry,I always thought peacenik was letting them go too far.





As I said before, we are commanded in the Bible to forgive. This I do for poor Sirk who obviously has a very low self esteem, continually projects his self hate, and is likely in jeopardy of endangering his own life. I pity him and pray for him every night. Please do the same - join me in praying for Sirk as he is in great need.


Notice how he says about me ''its odd that you come to the defense of a man who obviously supports people who support baby murder...''


Now ask yourself, how many times have I said on this forum that I am actively in the pro life movement and have been so since before Sirk was born?


Sirk is so blinded by his hate that he fails to see that it is his Republican party that voted the way it did in Roe and in Casey. Meanwhile, it is people like me who have lobbied political candidates to preserve lives. But Sirk just will not see this truth as his hatred has blinded him to the truth.


All the more reason to pity and to pray for this sad boy.







Meanwhile, back on topic:



In bid to revamp health care, Trump could hurt one of U.S.'s biggest job creators





In many ways, the health care industry has been a great friend to the U.S. economy. Its plentiful jobs helped lift the country out of the Great Recession and, partly due to the Affordable Care Act, it now employs one in nine Americans — up from one in 12 in 2000.

As President Donald Trump seeks to fulfill his campaign pledge to create millions more jobs, the industry would seem a promising place to turn. But the business mogul also campaigned to repeal Obamacare and lower health care costs — a potentially serious job killer.
"The goal of increasing jobs in health care is incompatible with the goal of keeping health care affordable," said Harvard University economist Katherine Baicker, who sees advantages in trimming the industry's growth. "There's a lot of evidence we can get more bang for our buck in health care. We should be aiming for a health care system that operates more efficiently and effectively. That might mean better outcomes for patients and fewer jobs."
But the country has grown increasingly dependent on the health sector to power the economy. Thirty-five percent of the nation's job growth has come from health care since the recession hit in late 2007, the single biggest sector for job creation.
Related: High-cost Alaska sits in the eye of health care reform storm
Hiring rose even more as coverage expanded in 2014 under the health law and new federal dollars flowed in. It gave hospitals, universities and companies even more reason to invest in new facilities and staff. Training programs sprang up to fill the growing job pool. Cities welcomed the development — and the revenue. Simply put, rising health spending has been good for some economically distressed parts of the country, many of which voted for Trump last year.
In Morgantown, West Virginia, the West Virginia University health system just opened a 10-story medical tower and hired 2,000 employees last year. In Danville, Pennsylvania, the Geisinger Health System has added more than 2,200 workers since July and is trying to fill 2,000 more jobs across its 12 hospital campuses and a health plan. Out West, the UCHealth system in Colorado expanded its Fort Collins hospital and is building three hospitals in the state.
In cities such as Pittsburgh, Cleveland and St. Louis, health care has replaced dying industries like coal and heavy manufacturing as a primary source of new jobs.
"The industry accounts for a lot of good middle-class jobs and, in many communities, it's the single-largest employer," said Sam Glick, a partner at the Oliver Wyman consulting firm in San Francisco. "One of the hardest decisions for the new Trump administration is how far do they push on health care costs at the expense of jobs in health care."
House Republicans, with backing from Trump, took the first swipe. Their American Health Care Act sought to roll back the current health law's Medicaid expansion and cut federal subsidies for private health insurance. The GOP plan faltered in the House, but Republican lawmakers and the Trump administration are still trying to craft a replacement for Obamacare.
Neither the ACA nor the latest Republican attempt at an overhaul tackle what some industry experts and economists see as a serious underlying reason for high health care costs: a system bloated by redundancy, inefficiency and a growing number of jobs far removed from patient care.
Labor accounts for more than half of the $3.4 trillion spent on U.S. health care, and medical professionals from health aides to nurse practitioners are in high demand. But the sheer complexity of the system also has spawned jobs for legions of data-entry clerks, revenue-cycle analysts and medical billing coders who must decipher arcane rules to mine money from human ills.
Related: Fast track job to the middle class: Become a dental hygenist
For every physician, there are 16 other workers in U.S. health care. And half of those 16 are in administrative and other nonclinical roles, said Bob Kocher, a former Obama administration official who worked on the Affordable Care Act. He's now a partner at the venture capital firm Venrock in Palo Alto, California.
"[W]hat's driving our health insurance premiums is that we are paying the wages of a whole bunch of people who aren't involved in the delivery of care. Hospitals keep raising their rates to pay for all of this labor," Kocher said.
Take medical coders. Membership in the American Academy of Professional Coders has swelled to more than 165,000, up 10,000 in the past year alone. The average salary has risen to nearly $50,000.
"The coding profession is a great opportunity for individuals seeking their first job, and it's attractive to a lot of medical professionals burned out on patient care," said Raemarie Jimenez, a vice president at the medical coding group. "There is a lot of opportunity once you've got a foot in the door."
Some of these back office workers wage battle in clinics and hospitals against an army of insurance claims administrators. Overseeing it all are hundreds of corporate vice presidents drawing six-figure salaries.
Administrative costs in U.S. health care are the highest in the developed world, according to a January report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. More than 8% of U.S. health spending is tied up in administration while the average globally is 3%. America spent $631 for every man, woman and child on health insurance administration for 2012 compared with $54 in Japan.
Related: Clamp down on visas for doctors could hurt these parts of the U.S.
America's huge investment in health care and related jobs hasn't always led to better results for patients, data show. But it has provided good paying jobs, which is why the talk of deep cuts in federal health spending has many people concerned.
Linda Gonzalez, a 31-year-old mother of two, was among the thousands of enrollment counselors hired to help sign up Americans for health insurance as Obamacare rolled out in 2014. The college graduate makes more than $40,000 a year working at an AltaMed enrollment center in Los Angeles.
In her cramped cubicle, families sort through pay stubs and tax returns, often relying on her to sort out enrollment glitches with Medicaid. As the sole breadwinner for her two children, ages 9 and 10, she counts on this job but isn't sure how long it will last.
"A lot of people depend on this," she said. "It's something I do worry about."





In bid to revamp health care, Trump could hurt one of U.S.'s biggest job creators - Apr. 25, 2017






ACA has not only saved lives, it has also CREATED jobs despite the fact that its critics said it would kill jobs.
 
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As I said before, we are commanded in the Bible to forgive. This I do for poor Sirk who obviously has a very low self esteem, continually projects his self hate, and is likely in jeopardy of endangering his own life. I pity him and pray for him every night. Please do the same - join me in praying for Sirk as he is in great need.


Notice how he says about me ''its odd that you come to the defense of a man who obviously supports people who support baby murder...''


Now ask yourself, how many times have I said on this forum that I am actively in the pro life movement and have been so since before Sirk was born?


Sirk is so blinded by his hate that he fails to see that it is his Republican party that voted the way it did in Roe and in Casey. Meanwhile, it is people like me who have lobbied political candidates to preserve lives. But Sirk just will not see this truth as his hatred has blinded him to the truth.


All the more reason to pity and to pray for this sad boy.







Meanwhile, back on topic:



In bid to revamp health care, Trump could hurt one of U.S.'s biggest job creators





In many ways, the health care industry has been a great friend to the U.S. economy. Its plentiful jobs helped lift the country out of the Great Recession and, partly due to the Affordable Care Act, it now employs one in nine Americans — up from one in 12 in 2000.

As President Donald Trump seeks to fulfill his campaign pledge to create millions more jobs, the industry would seem a promising place to turn. But the business mogul also campaigned to repeal Obamacare and lower health care costs — a potentially serious job killer.
"The goal of increasing jobs in health care is incompatible with the goal of keeping health care affordable," said Harvard University economist Katherine Baicker, who sees advantages in trimming the industry's growth. "There's a lot of evidence we can get more bang for our buck in health care. We should be aiming for a health care system that operates more efficiently and effectively. That might mean better outcomes for patients and fewer jobs."
But the country has grown increasingly dependent on the health sector to power the economy. Thirty-five percent of the nation's job growth has come from health care since the recession hit in late 2007, the single biggest sector for job creation.
Related: High-cost Alaska sits in the eye of health care reform storm
Hiring rose even more as coverage expanded in 2014 under the health law and new federal dollars flowed in. It gave hospitals, universities and companies even more reason to invest in new facilities and staff. Training programs sprang up to fill the growing job pool. Cities welcomed the development — and the revenue. Simply put, rising health spending has been good for some economically distressed parts of the country, many of which voted for Trump last year.
In Morgantown, West Virginia, the West Virginia University health system just opened a 10-story medical tower and hired 2,000 employees last year. In Danville, Pennsylvania, the Geisinger Health System has added more than 2,200 workers since July and is trying to fill 2,000 more jobs across its 12 hospital campuses and a health plan. Out West, the UCHealth system in Colorado expanded its Fort Collins hospital and is building three hospitals in the state.
In cities such as Pittsburgh, Cleveland and St. Louis, health care has replaced dying industries like coal and heavy manufacturing as a primary source of new jobs.
"The industry accounts for a lot of good middle-class jobs and, in many communities, it's the single-largest employer," said Sam Glick, a partner at the Oliver Wyman consulting firm in San Francisco. "One of the hardest decisions for the new Trump administration is how far do they push on health care costs at the expense of jobs in health care."
House Republicans, with backing from Trump, took the first swipe. Their American Health Care Act sought to roll back the current health law's Medicaid expansion and cut federal subsidies for private health insurance. The GOP plan faltered in the House, but Republican lawmakers and the Trump administration are still trying to craft a replacement for Obamacare.
Neither the ACA nor the latest Republican attempt at an overhaul tackle what some industry experts and economists see as a serious underlying reason for high health care costs: a system bloated by redundancy, inefficiency and a growing number of jobs far removed from patient care.
Labor accounts for more than half of the $3.4 trillion spent on U.S. health care, and medical professionals from health aides to nurse practitioners are in high demand. But the sheer complexity of the system also has spawned jobs for legions of data-entry clerks, revenue-cycle analysts and medical billing coders who must decipher arcane rules to mine money from human ills.
Related: Fast track job to the middle class: Become a dental hygenist
For every physician, there are 16 other workers in U.S. health care. And half of those 16 are in administrative and other nonclinical roles, said Bob Kocher, a former Obama administration official who worked on the Affordable Care Act. He's now a partner at the venture capital firm Venrock in Palo Alto, California.
"[W]hat's driving our health insurance premiums is that we are paying the wages of a whole bunch of people who aren't involved in the delivery of care. Hospitals keep raising their rates to pay for all of this labor," Kocher said.
Take medical coders. Membership in the American Academy of Professional Coders has swelled to more than 165,000, up 10,000 in the past year alone. The average salary has risen to nearly $50,000.
"The coding profession is a great opportunity for individuals seeking their first job, and it's attractive to a lot of medical professionals burned out on patient care," said Raemarie Jimenez, a vice president at the medical coding group. "There is a lot of opportunity once you've got a foot in the door."
Some of these back office workers wage battle in clinics and hospitals against an army of insurance claims administrators. Overseeing it all are hundreds of corporate vice presidents drawing six-figure salaries.
Administrative costs in U.S. health care are the highest in the developed world, according to a January report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. More than 8% of U.S. health spending is tied up in administration while the average globally is 3%. America spent $631 for every man, woman and child on health insurance administration for 2012 compared with $54 in Japan.
Related: Clamp down on visas for doctors could hurt these parts of the U.S.
America's huge investment in health care and related jobs hasn't always led to better results for patients, data show. But it has provided good paying jobs, which is why the talk of deep cuts in federal health spending has many people concerned.
Linda Gonzalez, a 31-year-old mother of two, was among the thousands of enrollment counselors hired to help sign up Americans for health insurance as Obamacare rolled out in 2014. The college graduate makes more than $40,000 a year working at an AltaMed enrollment center in Los Angeles.
In her cramped cubicle, families sort through pay stubs and tax returns, often relying on her to sort out enrollment glitches with Medicaid. As the sole breadwinner for her two children, ages 9 and 10, she counts on this job but isn't sure how long it will last.
"A lot of people depend on this," she said. "It's something I do worry about."





In bid to revamp health care, Trump could hurt one of U.S.'s biggest job creators - Apr. 25, 2017






ACA has not only saved lives, it has also CREATED jobs despite the fact that its critics said it would kill jobs.
You are such a phony. You have no idea the state of my self esteem. You on the other hand are a lying troll. I pledge to donate 50 dollars a month to this site for one year if they ban you by the end of the month.
 
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Just remember Kris. This world is not going to Promote the Lord Jesus Christ. We as believers do. We are not here to change this world, we are here to show this lost and dying world the light of Christ.

And honestly, as soon as this site shut down "hyper-grace" discussion............the truth had a spear put it's side. The legalist defined Freegrace as "sin all you want." mention Grace and all one is saying is, " Sit on your butt, sin all you want, glide into heaven."

Like Utah, all grace believers will eventually be banned or just quit. Our voice will be snuffed out.
and meanwhile...people like peacenik and others will come here to muddy the waters with the sole intention of getting people on their side with lies and manipulation. If he isn't banned by the end of the month I would like to be. I can't wont will not associate any longer with any entity that gives voice to such an obviously deceitful troll.
 
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Susanna

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If I was in charge here I would have put an end to this party, closed down this thread and deposited the troublemakers in the county jail lol.
 
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If I was in charge here I would have put an end to this party, closed down this thread and deposited the troublemakers in the county jail lol.
But alas....just a member of the local peanut gallery.
 

Oncefallen

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Like Utah, all grace believers will eventually be banned or just quit. Our voice will be snuffed out.
I love the way that you imply that Utah was banned over doctrinal issues since nothing could be farther from the truth.
 
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I love the way that you imply that Utah was banned over doctrinal issues since nothing could be farther from the truth.
Imply. I can imply all day long and remain safe. But if I bluntly say what I am implying...........banned.

This is why Utah was banned. He just bluntly said what everyone else was implying about him.

It all comes back to doctrinal issues.
 

Oncefallen

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Imply. I can imply all day long and remain safe. But if I bluntly say what I am implying...........banned.

This is why Utah was banned. He just bluntly said what everyone else was implying about him.

It all comes back to doctrinal issues.
Since I am the person that removed Utah, I know why I removed him and doctrine had nothing to do with it.

Utah himself on several occasions commented that he was surprised that he wasn't banned long ago because of his habit of posting outright rude post and blatant over the top personal attacks which was what ultimately sunk him.

As for yourself, it is never a bright idea to imply that a site administrator is a liar.
 
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