Archaeology anyone???

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GtrPkr

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Here's a great video about the old city of David and Solomon's temple!!!

 
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Oh come on ya'll, watch the video... This is HUGE!!! Whether you believe in the old traditions or not, what they're digging up is astounding !!!
 

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And there are good archaeology videos that prove that the Temples of old were on the platform mount.
In the end for Christians it does not matter at all, other than the probability that Zionist zealots will start WW3 by
building a new temple on the temple mount.
 
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And there are good archaeology videos that prove that the Temples of old were on the platform mount.
In the end for Christians it does not matter at all, other than the probability that Zionist zealots will start WW3 by
building a new temple on the temple mount.
I respectfully disagree. If they confirm, which I believe they already have but can't make public for obvious political reasons, that the original foundations are currently being uncovered in the city of David.... then roughly 20% of the temple is already there. If you know of any information that disputes these new "actual physical archaeological" findings then I'd like to see it, but please don't try to draw me into a philosophical debate based on unsubstantiated Jewish tradition.... I'm only interested in the current facts.
 

dcontroversal

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I respectfully disagree. If they confirm, which I believe they already have but can't make public for obvious political reasons, that the original foundations are currently being uncovered in the city of David.... then roughly 20% of the temple is already there. If you know of any information that disputes these new "actual physical archaeological" findings then I'd like to see it, but please don't try to draw me into a philosophical debate based on unsubstantiated Jewish tradition.... I'm only interested in the current facts.
I am not real keen on anyone that identifies with the JEWISH CHRIST making racist ZIONISTS comments........

Now the flip side.....I watched a really good special a long time ago that placed the temple closer to the spring and not were MANY locate it as the amount of fresh water needed for cleansing and washing the blood away etc. was exceedingly great.......
 
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I am not real keen on anyone that identifies with the JEWISH CHRIST making racist ZIONISTS comments........

Now the flip side.....I watched a really good special a long time ago that placed the temple closer to the spring and not were MANY locate it as the amount of fresh water needed for cleansing and washing the blood away etc. was exceedingly great.......
I'm sorry.... Did what I say come across as racist? The Jews have always been stuck in their laws and traditions.... That's how they Justified crucifying Christ.
 

maxwel

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When someone says they've made a controversial discovery, it's wise to at least look at other opinions.

I think there is quite a lot of evidence contradicting this view of the temple location.


I'm not an archaeologist... but it's probably best to see what different experts have to say.

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maxwel

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But it's an interesting post.

It's always good to look into things.
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oyster67

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I'm sorry.... Did what I say come across as racist? The Jews have always been stuck in their laws and traditions.... That's how they Justified crucifying Christ.
We all crucified Christ.
 

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I'm sorry.... Did what I say come across as racist? The Jews have always been stuck in their laws and traditions.... That's how they Justified crucifying Christ.
No it did not at all :)

Jesus stated not stone would be left on top of another, therefore the wailing wall cannot be the wall of the Temple.
 

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No it did not at all :)
Jesus stated not stone would be left on top of another, therefore the wailing wall cannot be the wall of the Temple.
Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple -
Matthew 24: (ESV)
1 Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple.
2 But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”

Luke 21: (ESV)
5 And while some were speaking of the temple, how it was adorned with noble stones and offerings, he said,
6 “As for these things that you see, the days will come when there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not
be thrown down.”

The archeology of the Temple Mount base clearly reveals massive stones thrown down over the temple platform area.
Jesus was referring to the destruction of the Temple buildings with its surrounding porticos.
 

maxwel

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No it did not at all :)

Jesus stated not stone would be left on top of another, therefore the wailing wall cannot be the wall of the Temple.

Wailing Wall

I think the traditional answer to that point is that the wailing wall is only a retaining wall for the temple mount plateau, and not actually part of the temple.

Healthy Skepticism

If I were to entertain a little skepticism, I might wonder if a 30 minute documentary, with no rebuttal from those of opposing views, might be closer to an infomercial than a scientific presentation.

I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong.

I'm just saying it may be wise to hear opposing views... and it is within the realm of possiblity that there are sound reasons for traditional archaeologists to all believe the temple was located on the temple mount.

Views:

Hey, I'm no archaeologist.
I just think we need to consider other views, and hear what the traditional experts have to say.

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dcontroversal

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I'm sorry.... Did what I say come across as racist? The Jews have always been stuck in their laws and traditions.... That's how they Justified crucifying Christ.
I was not directing that at you bro........post 4
 
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GtrPkr

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Hmmmm.... Nobody has yet to remark upon the Biblical references in the video..... not to mention the physical and historical evidence provided. Have any of you watched it?
 

maxwel

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Hmmmm.... Nobody has yet to remark upon the Biblical references in the video..... not to mention the physical and historical evidence provided. Have any of you watched it?
No Water

The video said there was no water anywhere near the Temple Mount.

I know there is at least one huge cistern on the temple mount, along with large springs very close nearby, and possibly some aqueducts that may have brought water in from a different elevation. So having water on or near the temple mount wasn't a problem. No one has EVER thought water on the mount was a problem.

The contention that the temple had no water was a major keystone of the video... and that seems to be a non issue.

A bigger problem is... since there was plenty of water, and anyone visiting the temple mount could easily see the cistern and the springs nearby... why would the video claim there was no water?. It might give the impression there is some intentional misrepresentation of facts.


Fort Antonia Too Small

Another contention was that Fort Antonia was too small to hold an entire Roman legion.

As far as I can see, there isn't any reason to think the entire legion was garrisoned in that Fort.
The fort seems to be little more than a kind of "watch tower", and it probably wasn't needed for much more than that.

I'm sure there are plenty of historical records discussing how the troops were garrisoned throughout the area; Romans were quite meticulous.

Again, historians and archaeologists have never had any issue with the size of Fort Antonia.
That would suggest to me that, most likely, the Roman troops WERE spread around the area, and this was well documented, and nobody is concerned about it.

Keep in mind that Judea was a very difficult area to control with a very difficult population; they hated the romans, and they often had revolts and uprisings.
So it would make perfect sense to have the troops garrisoned in various key locations.

Anyway, that's just going off the top of my head, but it wouldn't be hard to do some googling and look it up.


That's it for today
It's not my goal in life to debunk Bob Cornuke.
I have no problem with the man.
He's probably a great guy.
However, we do know there was water on the mount, and the issue with Fort Antonia just seems like a non issue.

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GtrPkr

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No Water

The video said there was no water anywhere near the Temple Mount.

I know there is at least one huge cistern on the temple mount, along with large springs very close nearby, and possibly some aqueducts that may have brought water in from a different elevation. So having water on or near the temple mount wasn't a problem. No one has EVER thought water on the mount was a problem.

The contention that the temple had no water was a major keystone of the video... and that seems to be a non issue.

A bigger problem is... since there was plenty of water, and anyone visiting the temple mount could easily see the cistern and the springs nearby... why would the video claim there was no water?. It might give the impression there is some intentional misrepresentation of facts.


Fort Antonia Too Small

Another contention was that Fort Antonia was too small to hold an entire Roman legion.

As far as I can see, there isn't any reason to think the entire legion was garrisoned in that Fort.
The fort seems to be little more than a kind of "watch tower", and it probably wasn't needed for much more than that.

I'm sure there are plenty of historical records discussing how the troops were garrisoned throughout the area; Romans were quite meticulous.

Again, historians and archaeologists have never had any issue with the size of Fort Antonia.
That would suggest to me that, most likely, the Roman troops WERE spread around the area, and this was well documented, and nobody is concerned about it.

Keep in mind that Judea was a very difficult area to control with a very difficult population; they hated the romans, and they often had revolts and uprisings.
So it would make perfect sense to have the troops garrisoned in various key locations.

Anyway, that's just going off the top of my head, but it wouldn't be hard to do some googling and look it up.
OK, you watched the video. Great! NOW WHAT ABOUT THE BIBLICAL REFERENCES AND THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE? I'm not interested in opinions....


That's it for today
It's not my goal in life to debunk Bob Cornuke.
I have no problem with the man.
He's probably a great guy.
However, we do know there was water on the mount, and the issue with Fort Antonia just seems like a non issue.

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OK, you watched the video, Great ! NOW WHAT ABOUT THE BIBLICAL REFERENCES AND THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE ? I'm not interested in opinions ....