Brexit - Do we stay or do we go

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This is absolute nonsense and you have no real grounds on which to make this claim. Satan masquerades as an angel of light and he does this through many different institutions and through mankind, and the political system is one institution made up by fallen man, Satan is the invisible ruler over mans affairs where the political agenda is, the Bible makes it very clear that Satan rules this world.
The man made political world is secular, mankind under their own political rulership do not really know what they are doing, Satan lied and continues to masquerade as an angel of light even through the man made political agenda.
A non believer quoting Scriptue...ya gotta love it.
 

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I think it will depend how fast the economy rebounds before the next referendum.

That crossed my mind too, though. This is a big move and a healthy danger to national and supranational institutions.
'healthy danger' is that a line out of Orwell? :)
 
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A non believer quoting Scriptue...ya gotta love it.
In all honesty fellow man it would be wise to think before you speak, I believe in an Intelligent Purposeful Designer like the one made know in the Holy Bible, I also believe the accounts of His Son Jesus Christ but this does not automatically make me a Christian. Anyone can believe, but when one makes a claim of being a 'Christian' then that's a different matter, also, I will let Jesus Christ judge all who claim to be Christian. I know the most likely outcome of my stance right now but do you know what yours is? also, have you ever thought that I might just be at this moment in time a defender of the Abrahamic God of the Holy Bible? , pays off to think a bit.

1 Peter 4:17
For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
 

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Jesus said the rulers of the world get their power from God. So did Paul.

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.



 

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In all honesty fellow man it would be wise to think before you speak, I believe in an Intelligent Purposeful Designer like the one made know in the Holy Bible, I also believe the accounts of His Son Jesus Christ but this does not automatically make me a Christian. Anyone can believe, but when one makes a claim of being a 'Christian' then that's a different matter, also, I will let Jesus Christ judge all who claim to be Christian. I know the most likely outcome of my stance right now but do you know what yours is? also, have you ever thought that I might just be at this moment in time a defender of the Abrahamic God of the Holy Bible? , pays off to think a bit.

1 Peter 4:17
For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
True that mental assent is not saving knowledge of Christ.

Yes I have full assurance of the hope that lies within me.

If you had known the Abrahamic God of the bible you would have known Jesus Christ His only begotten Son.

Joh 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

For the cause of Christ
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Jesus said the rulers of the world get their power from God. So did Paul.

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.



Then YOUR god is a hypocrite, how can your god request exclusive devotion if he also states we are to devote our lives to the rulers of this world and vote them into power, which by the way they abuse, also, that means that the bible lied about satan being the ruler of this world, you can't have it both ways, it us one or the other. Yeah a person can respect governments and not cause trouble or protest ect but in no way are we forced to vote for their corruption, now your claiming your god said to be subject to their rulership and governing over us? this world has corrupt governors? and your telling me that this is what your god wanted? what a hypocrite.
 

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Amazed how bitter many Remain people are, hearing all sorts of excuses and reasons why they were robbed, some even coming on to the EXIT facebook group I am with and saying so

Many comments are on the line that people voted Exit simply as protest vote against the government and it was a wasted vote used for the wrong reasons.

Other comments on lines of that the USA will no longer want to be a partner with UK as we no longer in EU.... Seriously how ridiculous is that, it will be better for USA if we are not in EU as we will be exempt from the stupid embargo wars put in place over various spats between USA and EU.

Other comments are going on about how the LEAVE lies are now coming out and all unravelling,

I could go on, but there is no point, this shows how angry and deluded some people are. Boris Johnson former Mayor of London, who was one of the front men for LEAVE. Calls of "Traiter", "shame on you" and "Scum" can be heard as he left home under heavy police guard.

[video=youtube;hydUvY3mLUM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hydUvY3mLUM[/video]
 
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This is absolute nonsense and you have no real grounds on which to make this claim. Satan masquerades as an angel of light and he does this through many different institutions and through mankind, and the political system is one institution made up by fallen man, Satan is the invisible ruler over mans affairs where the political agenda is, the Bible makes it very clear that Satan rules this world.

Sorry but it's impossible to discuss spiritual things with someone who is not a
Christian and who does not believe in the three in one God. You just won't understand the
spiritual implications of a Brexit.
 
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If you had known the Abrahamic God of the bible you would have known Jesus Christ His only begotten Son.
Hang on a minute there pal, are you claiming that Jesus Christ is the Almighty God or is he the Son of God because he can't be both. The Son denotes someone lesser than the Father, some folks interpretations of the Bible are bonkers.

Joh 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Yeah, I could quite easily interpret those Scriptures as telling me that Jesus Christ is in union with his father but Jesus is not necessarily the Almighty God, Jesus could be god like but not necessarily the One True Everlasting God, an everlasting God can not die, if god did die they he can't be everlasting can he, simple maths.
 
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Sorry but it's impossible to discuss spiritual things with someone who is not a
Christian and who does not believe in the three in one God. You just won't understand the
spiritual implications of a Brexit.
And you are a Christian? all you claim to be is all you are.
 
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Well, in a way it does. Hillary Obama is a big time globalist and as far as I can make out Trump is not.

As far as I can make out. Many Brits don't even know who Trump is.
 

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In all honesty fellow man it would be wise to think before you speak, I believe in an Intelligent Purposeful Designer like the one made know in the Holy Bible, I also believe the accounts of His Son Jesus Christ but this does not automatically make me a Christian. Anyone can believe, but when one makes a claim of being a 'Christian' then that's a different matter, also, I will let Jesus Christ judge all who claim to be Christian. I know the most likely outcome of my stance right now but do you know what yours is? also, have you ever thought that I might just be at this moment in time a defender of the Abrahamic God of the Holy Bible? , pays off to think a bit.

1 Peter 4:17
For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
So would you deny Jesus if a knife was put to your throat?
 
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So would you deny Jesus if a knife was put to your throat?
Actually, and thinking about it I would like to think I would stand my ground but I might be like peter, lol. who knows? would you? bit of a difficult question to really answer truthfully.
 
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We had to leave there was no choice. For the last month or so the EU was
almost black mailing the UK saying if you vote to stay you must "accept your
lot" that there would be no more concessions, no more special arrangements for the
UK. If we had stayed the EU strangle hold would have tightened and there would have been
absolutely nothing our Government could have done about it.

There was also talk of a raft of new laws they were holding back, which
would have been sprung on the UK if we stayed.
 

Agricola

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Congratulations Kedge on derailing on what should be an interesting discussion about the UK split from the EU.
 

Agricola

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We had to leave there was no choice. For the last month or so the EU was
almost black mailing the UK saying if you vote to stay you must "accept your
lot" that there would be no more concessions, no more special arrangements for the
UK. If we had stayed the EU strangle hold would have tightened and there would have been
absolutely nothing our Government could have done about it.

There was also talk of a raft of new laws they were holding back, which
would have been sprung on the UK if we stayed.
Exactly, you have to dig deep and read a lot of foriegn news reports to see what is really going on. More power is being taken away, yet many remain people are just making this out to be anti-liberal and racist issues and totally miss the point that we want the law making and real powers back with our own government.

Still amazed to read all the hateful and finger pointing comments from Leave supporters, incredible.
 

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Then YOUR god is a hypocrite, how can your god request exclusive devotion if he also states we are to devote our lives to the rulers of this world and vote them into power, which by the way they abuse, also, that means that the bible lied about satan being the ruler of this world, you can't have it both ways, it us one or the other. Yeah a person can respect governments and not cause trouble or protest ect but in no way are we forced to vote for their corruption, now your claiming your god said to be subject to their rulership and governing over us? this world has corrupt governors? and your telling me that this is what your god wanted? what a hypocrite.
This response of yours does not in any way come across as being from a defender of the Abrahamic God of the Holy Bible. If you believe in God then you must accept that He is a supreme Being with the ability to control all elements of His creation. That He does not manipulate us like puppets does not diminish His power in any way. He gave authority on Earth to man, and man gave it to Satan. Satan is still the god of this world but Satan can only do that which God allows. I am not sure how in your view that makes God a hypocrite. Men are hypocrites, this is true. Men abuse power, this is also true. Is that news to either one of us? All men may also be liars, but that does not make God one. I never really looked at your flag before. I take it you are upset with the split? Do you not remember how when Pilate was questioning Jesus, Jesus told Him, "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin." Scripture also attests to the fact that we live and move in Him. All things are held together by Him. You either accept God as supreme or you do not.
 
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Miri

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I heard on the news today from Jeremy Corbyn, that the austerity
measures were forced in the UK by the EU, despite the UK economy
being one of the most successful in the EU. Why? Because they wanted
to be sure the UK did not run out of money to prop up the
other member states!

I never knew that, I always thought the cut backs were the Conservative party line


Anyway I found this and apparently its true! But the EU has been saying Brexit will
lead to an extended period of austerity for the UK. But it seems to be the EU that got us in
it in the first place.

EU austerity drive country by country - BBC News


News from 2012 - 27 EU member states aim to cut deficits to a maximum of 3%
of GDP by the financial year 2014-15, so what belt-tightening measures are the
countries taking?