Brexit - Do we stay or do we go

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trofimus

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Ive posted the meeting of the Parlarment today. They also talk about that there. Its in the News Forum. No need to search for long.
Every opinion can be talked about in parliament, there are many fractions. But it is not any official statement like if the Juncker or Merkel said that.
 

Demi777

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Cameron and others did put clear statements. His statements count just as much as of any other Official

Every opinion can be talked about in parliament, there are many fractions. But it is not any official statement like if the Juncker or Merkel said that.
 

trofimus

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Cameron and others did put clear statements. His statements count just as much as of any other Official
State of the Union: Brussels in state of shock but says Brexit must happen quickly | euronews, state of the union

This is the official view of the rest of EU...not another poll, but to put UK out as fast as possible...

And Cameron said also, that Brexit will happen:

Cameron to leave EU negotiations to new PM, but says Brexit must be accepted | euronews, world news
 
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Demi777

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I will not hold on to one site and just accept that as a fact. I rather listen to many and to them personally.. I dont need anyone to make up my mind for me.

 
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MUHAHAHHA, and now tiny Iceland beat England (Soccer)
 

trofimus

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I will not hold on to one site and just accept that as a fact. I rather listen to many and to them personally.. I dont need anyone to make up my mind for me.
Good! So now you have one more source to get info from :)

There are videos, so you can hear what they are saying yourself...

Do you really think Brexit will not happen now? I think its irreversible.
 

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Good! So now you have one more source to get info from :)

There are videos, so you can hear what they are saying yourself...

Do you really think Brexit will not happen now? I think its irreversible.
Absolutely it's irreversible! Praise God!!
 
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MadParrotWoman

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MUHAHAHHA, and now tiny Iceland beat England (Soccer)
Yes good for them England did not deserve to win, they as always under-performed and they got punished for it. Well done Iceland!
 

trofimus

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I believe this was their wicked plan all along. God help the people of Europe when they get swallowed up by this monster, oppressive superstate!

This PROVES to the British they did the right thing in leaving.
Why are you from American superstate so afraid of European superstate? Wait... oh, I got it :) But we will always like you, even when you will become power number two :)
 

JimmieD

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The checks and balances is the freedom to vote or not to vote.
That's not a check or balance. The purpose of checks and balances is to make sure power isn't concentrated in 1 person or 1 entity; it's a way to try to ensure that power is distributed so that individual rights are protected and prevent the abuse of power.

Government by popular referendum concentrates power in a single entity: a simple majority. Just as 1 person can rule tyrannically, so can 1 group. Government by popular referendum is a recipe for oppression and despotism.
 
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Yes, members of the EU parliament have immunity. Your US senators do not have any?

EUR-Lex - 12012E/PRO/07 - EN - EUR-Lex

Article 8
"Members of the European Parliament shall not be subject to any form of inquiry, detention or legal proceedings in respect of opinions expressed or votes cast by them in the performance of their duties."

Article 9
"Representatives of Member States taking part in the work of the institutions of the Union, their advisers and technical experts shall, in the performance of their duties and during their travel to and from the place of meeting, enjoy the customary privileges, immunities and facilities."

This is quite a common thing in almost every country, that such persons have immunity... its nothing special about EU.
First this was not a member of EU parliament ..he was the head of the anti-fraud office ... Did you even bother to read the article?
The European Commission has waited more than a year to decide whether to allow Belgian prosecutors to question the EU's top anti-fraud official over allegations he broke the law.

 
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Mitspa

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EU was there as an opposition to communist governments. First post-communist countries (Czech rep, Slovakia, Poland and Hungary) joined EU in 2004.

So I have no idea where you get your information from.
Guy ..do you deny many of the EU officials are ex-communist ? Or do you not know? Because the Brexit folk are very sure about these ex-communist
 
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Mitspa

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Why are you from American superstate so afraid of European superstate? Wait... oh, I got it :) But we will always like you, even when you will become power number two :)
You remember the last time Germany and France got together and made a "superstate" I don't think the history of German super states is a good thing and everyone needs to be afraid especially the Jews ...but wait...they just let the muslims do the jew killing now...right?
 
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Miri

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I believe this was their wicked plan all along. God help the people of Europe when they get swallowed up by this monster, oppressive superstate!

This PROVES to the British they did the right thing in leaving.
There was a lot of rumours flying around before the Brexit that the EU was
with holding various legislation back. They didn't want even more people to vote
leave! But bits of it did leak out in dribs and drabs.

Ive commented in earlier posts that the EU is basically playing at "animal farm" communism
under disguise of democracy and we are all one big happy family.

The EU is not interested in the "individuality of each country" it wants every country to be the
same. Only to achieve that they have to drag the wealthier countries down and raise up
the poorer countries, even if it means imposing austerity measures on wealthier countries.

The UK was placed into austerity measures by the EU a few years ago, we had the money but they
would not let us spend it and instead we had to pay an even larger share to the EU to prop
up the other countries when the euro went sour.

Scroll down the following link to see how much each country contributed in 2013
compared to how much they took out. Basically the more you pay into the pot,
the less you get back.

EU Facts: how much does Britain pay to the EU budget? - Telegraph

Notice also that £1 billon on UK money given to the EU, is spent by them on international
aid. So not only does the EU take money from the top 5 wealthiest countries, but it also
gives it away without our consent or agreement as to who to give it to!

We were fortunate though because at least Margaret Thatcher's government pushed through
a rebate for the UK. Another reason why the UK is not popular and scorned a little by the EU,
is because previous governments have been wiser than other EU countries and said NO way to
certain things and have managed to stop the rot just a little.

It was getting to the point though where the EU was fed up with the UK and they said no
more concessions would be given, so I'm surprised more politicians didn't go with the leave
camp. The British people have done what the politicians were too cowerdly to do.

EU referendum - Brussels boss Jean-Claude Juncker says no more reform after Brexit vote | Politics | News | Daily Express

It's been in the cards for a while that the EU wants a European army controlled in Germany, they
also want to control retirement pensions and benefits in every country and medical facilities.

If it had been your country and you saw all this happening could you really have voted stay.
 
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Mitspa

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That's not a check or balance. The purpose of checks and balances is to make sure power isn't concentrated in 1 person or 1 entity; it's a way to try to ensure that power is distributed so that individual rights are protected and prevent the abuse of power.

Government by popular referendum concentrates power in a single entity: a simple majority. Just as 1 person can rule tyrannically, so can 1 group. Government by popular referendum is a recipe for oppression and despotism.
you ever hear the phrase a government "by the people and for the people" and I think the legally elected officials put this referendum on the ballot to have exactly the effect and power that was intended ..The PM got elected based on this issue in part ...so after many checks and balances and many years ..the people finally got to decide who and what government would rule over them. Democracy is the cry of every liberal..until the people turn against their insanity. Nothing about the EU is democratic or republican in nature
 
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Mitspa

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Any American wanting to give away your guns, should consider these type of EU Nazis/communist are waiting to grab power in America.
 

Agricola

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Anyway [Trofimus] what exactly is your gripe? Why are you so bothered about the "out" vote?
I think its to do with the EU giving his country 2.4 billion and he is worried now the largest cash cow has left his nation will not get as much next time around. Especially when you consider how much Turkey is blackmailing the EU over refugees.

At the end of the day, it seems to me that the vote was fundamentally about sovereignty and authority to most Out-ers. Am I wrong on this? Maybe I'm listening too much to the leaders of Out and not enough to the rank and file voter.
Correct, that is what I voted on. I want my country back, a nation where I have right to vote a government who can make decisions and laws on everything, something which we have not had for decades. Not forgetting the money either, now we can spend 20 billion on ourselves and not giving it to the EU to burn and give away.


You did not, but most of voters seem to vote out just because of these payings and EU immigrants "taking their jobs".
So if UK will have these two main things unchanged, the vote for "out" was quite a false one.
Most of the young people who voted remain did so on even more bizzare reasons for example; Because they like multiculturalism and like mixing with Europeans or as a protest against racism. ridiculous. As for the flow of migrant workers, that will eventually dry up and yes we will be free to give jobs to British people, not Eastern Europeans. Many people like myself voted because we want sovereignty and self rule again. Nothing to do with immigration.
 

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Democracy is the cry of every liberal..until the people turn against their insanity.
Why do you keep insisting that I'm a "liberal?" Is this what you call anyone who doesn't see things just like you or something?

The quote in my sig line should clue you in to my position, but that would require reading on your part.

Nothing about the EU is democratic or republican in nature
Ok. And....
 
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Mitspa

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Why do you keep insisting that I'm a "liberal?" Is this what you call anyone who doesn't see things just like you or something?

The quote in my sig line should clue you in to my position, but that would require reading on your part.



Ok. And....
I guess its because you are spouting the same nonsense liberals spout when the people go against their liberal agenda ... You promote the standard liberal talking points ..why be offended when folks put those talking points in context of how liberals debate issues?