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[psychomom]

It is most definitely not a surrender of sovereightny. Remember how the USA signed the first Geneva Convention after the war with Germany? The convention that outlawed international acts of aggression perpetrated by any of the signing nations? The same Convention the United States' self-sovereighnty led to them breaching by invading Afghanistan and Iraq? The US agreed to abide by the rules and didn't abide by them.

As for newer signatures on UN legislation, those signatures on newer treaties are made under the authority of the Unitd States. Nobody can force the USA to sign a UN treaty or agree to UN legislations; the American government choose to do so under their own authority.

The UN legislations signed (human rights manifesto, Geneva Convention) do not contain legislative parameters that contradict any within the United States constitution, and if they did, the USA are under no obligation (as per US constitution and right of self-sovereighnty) to sign.

there's a difference in this country between signing a treaty and ratifying a treaty.

Article Six, Clause Two United States Constitution:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

notice the last line from our Constitution...it doesn't matter what laws in either the Constitution or any state...they are superseded by the law in a treaty.

to date, as far as i know, though the US is a signatory of many UN treaties, we have not ratified any.

just out of curiosity, have you read the UNCRC?

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Article Six, Clause Two United States Constitution:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

idk...that seems pretty clear to me it's surrendering sovereignty?

It would if the Senate would ratify such an idiotic treaty. Care to take bets on whether that will happen anytime soon? Keep in mind, three-fourths of the U.S. Senate must vote in favor of such drivel.

 

[Oncefallen]

It would if the Senate would ratify such an idiotic treaty. Care to take bets on whether that will happen anytime soon? Keep in mind, three-fourths of the U.S. Senate must vote in favor of such drivel.

With the current Senate not likely however I wouldn't rule it out in the future.

 

[psychomom]

It would if the Senate would ratify such an idiotic treaty. Care to take bets on whether that will happen anytime soon? Keep in mind, three-fourths of the U.S. Senate must vote in favor of such drivel.

agree with Oncefallen...but since our 'stupidity factor' is going up,
i, too wouldn't rule it out.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

With the current Senate not likely however I wouldn't rule it out in the future.

I would. One, it is highly unlikely any future Senate will give such stupidity a three-fourths majority, but on the off chance some idiot vote is taken that ratifies such a treaty, the American people will rise up in revolt.

I don't think you understand how vehemently we value our independence, but given you likely support the EU, it's understandable that you're willing to give your government's sovereignty over so some faceless group you don't even get to vote for. Your nation and all of Europe has sold out to the forces of evil.

 

[Oncefallen]

With the current Senate not likely however I wouldn't rule it out in the future.

I would. One, it is highly unlikely any future Senate will give such stupidity a three-fourths majority, but on the off chance some idiot vote is taken that ratifies such a treaty, the American people will rise up in revolt.

We must just choose to disagree on this point. The reason that I wouldn't rule it out in the future is that within my lifetime the US has slowly but consistently moved to the left in ideology. The unfortunate thing is that if a treaty such as this was ratified it is highly likely that average American would never know about it because a large percentage of US citizens only get their news from the mainstream media which wouldn't see it as newsworthy.

I don't think you understand how vehemently we value our independence, but given you likely support the EU, it's understandable that you're willing to give your government's sovereignty over so some faceless group you don't even get to vote for. Your nation and all of Europe has sold out to the forces of evil.

Ummmm, where do you think I live? My profile clearly states that I live in Colorado, USA. I fully understand how vehemently patriotic Americans value their independence (as do I). I most definitely do not support my government becoming party to a treaty that will in any way give any of it's sovereignty to the UN or any other foreign governing body since I would equate that with someone trampling the graves of my ancestors who fought to create this great nation and made it free from bondage to Europe.

 

[Oncefallen]

I thought I would clarify my intentional use of the term patriotic Americans vehemently valuing their independence. I'm sure you've noticed (as have I) the vast reduction of American patriotism over the decades (or maybe you're fortunate enough to live in a more rural area where it hasn't died). I remember as a kid at the Fourth of July parade seeing a large majority of people removing their hats and placing their hands over their hearts as the flag passed, now the colors pass without a notice by many.

 

[Human]

It would if the Senate would ratify such an idiotic treaty. Care to take bets on whether that will happen anytime soon? Keep in mind, three-fourths of the U.S. Senate must vote in favor of such drivel.

What, in the treaty, is idiotic by your estimation?

 

[Human]

I thought I would clarify my intentional use of the term patriotic Americans vehemently valuing their independence. I'm sure you've noticed (as have I) the vast reduction of American patriotism over the decades (or maybe you're fortunate enough to live in a more rural area where it hasn't died). I remember as a kid at the Fourth of July parade seeing a large majority of people removing their hats and placing their hands over their hearts as the flag passed, now the colors pass without a notice by many.

If patriotism has decreased in America it's probably because those who aren't patriotic disagree with the things America have been, and are, involved in. Most disillusioned Americans I meet or speak to have no patriotism because they recognize that being patriotic without anything worthy of patriotism is giving governments and councils credit and encouragement where none is deserved or due.

 

[Percepi]

I thought I would clarify my intentional use of the term patriotic Americans vehemently valuing their independence. I'm sure you've noticed (as have I) the vast reduction of American patriotism over the decades (or maybe you're fortunate enough to live in a more rural area where it hasn't died). I remember as a kid at the Fourth of July parade seeing a large majority of people removing their hats and placing their hands over their hearts as the flag passed, now the colors pass without a notice by many.

What exactly is patriotism and is it necessary to uphold our freedoms?

I don't have an unconditional love for my government. This is why I don't want to pledge any allegiance to it. Of course, saying the pledge of allegiance can simply be a simple act of respect (in which case the words are empty and insincere), or maybe the pledge represents allegiance to what you feel the country should be like.

I can't read news on how the government is trying to screw me over, then turn around and pledge my allegiance to that very same government. I can't pledge allegiance to a government that wants to use my taxes to fund a failed project that will make it even harder for me to make a living. I can't pledge allegiance to a government that has its head so far up it's own bum that it banned small spherical magnets that are sold to adults. I can't pledge allegiance to a government that constantly tries to go to war, but tries to argue it's not war, so that it can bomb people without having to go through due constitutional process. I am not alone.

I do still pledge allegiance to the flag when I'm around other people, but my words are empty and I'll admit it's a facade. The government is largely my enemy, my captors, and unfortunately I'm helpless to do much to change my position. The government was supposed to exist to help protect the rights of the people and to settle disputes, as well as limit certain actions that can have devastating effects or fund projects that are clearly necessary and benefits everyone without creating conflict of interest. Though the government does do this to some extent, it has long overextended its powers.

 

[Mitspa]

What exactly is patriotism and is it necessary to uphold our freedoms?

I don't have an unconditional love for my government. This is why I don't want to pledge any allegiance to it. Of course, saying the pledge of allegiance can simply be a simple act of respect (in which case the words are empty and insincere), or maybe the pledge represents allegiance to what you feel the country should be like.

I can't read news on how the government is trying to screw me over, then turn around and pledge my allegiance to that very same government. I can't pledge allegiance to a government that wants to use my taxes to fund a failed project that will make it even harder for me to make a living. I can't pledge allegiance to a government that has its head so far up it's own bum that it banned small spherical magnets that are sold to adults. I can't pledge allegiance to a government that constantly tries to go to war, but tries to argue it's not war, so that it can bomb people without having to go through due constitutional process. I am not alone.

I do still pledge allegiance to the flag when I'm around other people, but my words are empty and I'll admit it's a facade. The government is largely my enemy, my captors, and unfortunately I'm helpless to do much to change my position.

I suggest you consider that this is the ONLY form of government that has ever given its people any amount of freedom...and to weaken this system is to strengthen those other forms of government that some are trying to bring upon us... I say we pledge our agreement to the constitutional republic and are ready to defend the principals of what that was intended to be. Our bill of rights and our people ...not a bunch of freeloaders in Washington.

 

[psychomom]

"A republic, if you can keep it..."