Dr. Birx and Dr Fauci should be fired for fear-mongering

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EleventhHour

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OUTRAGEOUS!

Dr. Birx Pushes COMPLETE RUBBISH on American Public — Insists without One Iota of Proof that the US Economic Suicide Cut Coronavirus Deaths by Over a Million Deaths!

Coronavirus Task Force Response Coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx again on Tuesday pushed the talking point that by shutting down the US economy the Trump administration, US government and Coronavirus task force was able to cut the total coronavirus deaths in the United States from 1-2 million to 100,000 to 200,000.


This is based on “models” by her chosen scientific “experts”.This truly is outrageous.

When Americans are not able to feed their babies or buy bread in June they can thank conspiracy theorists like Dr. Deborah Birx.

As The Gateway Pundit reported numerous times — The global community shut down their economies after the World Health Organization (WHO) warned that the coronavirus had a 3.4% mortality rate.
WHO leader, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, really stoked fear across the planet when he claimed the COVID-19 had a 3.4% mortality rate and then compared that to the annual estimated flu mortality rate of 0.1%.


We don’t know how horrible the economic damage will be thanks to the ‘models’ pushed by ‘experts’ but we know it will be huge. On Sunday Dr. Deborah Birx spoke at the daily White House coronavirus press conference.

She followed Dr. Anthony Fauci who earlier today estimated the United States will see from 100,000 to 200,000 coronavirus deaths in the coming weeks and months.

Dr. Birx said the Task Force is reevaluating numbers and is in agreement with the Chris Murray study that was released last Thursday.

Dr. Birx said all of the flu models predicted somewhere between 1.6 and 2.2 million deaths if the government did not mitigate. It is not clear where she or the other experts came up this this excessive number. Dr Birx said some models predicted half of the United States would be infected.

There is not a single country that has seen more than 13,000 deaths from the virus. Yet, Dr. Birx told the American public on Sunday and again on Tuesday that the US was going to see over one million deaths.

This is complete rubbish.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...avirus-deaths-by-over-a-million-deaths-video/

[NOTE: WHY HAS TRUMP NOT FIRED THIS FEAR-MONGERING WOMAN?]

Jim Hoft... highly opinionated content.

The website has had to remove false images and has often reported wrong information and has had also had to post updates when they have posted false information.
 

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Jim Hoft... highly opinionated content.
The only thing that matters is the truth (opinionated or not). Since you despise Hoft (showing that you are influenced by the Left-Liberal media), here is why that FRAUD Fauci should have been fired (another writer and another source). Actually he and Birx should not even have been near the White House.

THE REMARKABLE DOCTOR A. FAUCI [people should read the entire article]

What major media conveniently leave out is his highly controversial and conflicted history since he first joined NIAID in 1984 during the beginnings of the AIDS panic

F. William Engdahl | New Eastern Outlook - APRIL 15, 2020
Dramatic political and social decisions are being made across the United States and around the world on what emergency quarantine measures and other steps must be taken.... If there is one person who is the face of the current strategy of dealing with the coronavirus in Washington it is the Director of the US National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) of the NIH, Dr. Tony Fauci.

1. ...What major media conveniently leave out in discussing Fauci’s role is his highly controversial and conflicted history since he first joined NIAID in 1984 during the beginnings of the AIDS panic. His role then sheds valuable light on his remarkable and highly controversial actions today....

2. ...He had dismissed the President’s efforts to promote a known malaria medication as treatment for severe corona patients as “anecdotal,” even though seven years before he backed the same drug....

3. ...He has publicly taken projections from an institute created in Washington State by the Gates Foundation, the same foundation that virtually owns the WHO and owns major stakes in the leading vaccine makers...

4. ...Let’s go back to 1984 when Fauci was named head of NIAID during the Reagan era. That year an AIDS researcher, Robert Gallo, working under Fauci, held a press conference to announce that he had “discovered” the AIDS virus.... In a sharp rebuttal of the Gallo claims, claims endorsed by Fauci and the NIAID as well as CDC, Roberto A. Giraldo, MD and Etienne de Harven, MD, the scientist who produced the first electron micrograph of a retrovirus, pointed out that both the ELISA and Western blot, and a genetic test, the PCR or ‘Viral Load’ test,” the two major tests used to determine if one has AIDS, are invalid. ... Yet this fraud has shaped the career of Tony Fauci for more than 35 years.

5. ...As a result he has wasted tens of billions of taxpayer dollars since 1984 on dead end experiments. One of his most nefarious was his collaboration with Gilead Sciences....The Fauci-Gilead scam of promoting Truvada for healthy people to “reduce risk” of HIV is a marker for the level of medical malpractice and in some cases evident criminal abuse of human health...

6. ...In addition NIAID is working with Gilead to conduct Phase II human trials on Gilead’s drug, remdesivir, as a potential treatment for hospitalized adult patients diagnosed with COVID-19.

7. Fauci, Birx and Redfield, all incestuously complicit in the HIV/AIDS frauds and malpractice, today hold the future of not only American public health, but also of the entire world economy in their hands.

F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook.”
 
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Scientists are trying to find a cure for the coronavirus, and are thinking about nanotechnology.

Which the nanoparticles will attach to the virus and immobolize it and stop it from producing.

Nanoparticles and nanostructured materials have significant impact in many scientific fields, including chemistry, material sciences, physics, medicine and electronics.

Since the invention of the electron microscope they been able to explore and manipulate the properties of nanoparticles.

Future bio-nanotechnology will use computer chips inside living cells.

They want to be able to track people because of this coronavirus and those small microchips can be tracked.

Which China is using a QR code, an application that is on their smart phone to track people, and to scan, and identifies them as the color green where they can go about in public and enter buildings, and amber for 7 days quarantined, and red for 14 days quarantined.

And we will re-open in America as well as the world but people will have to be tested, and many will be tracked, but they might make everybody get the vaccine for they do not know who has it or not, but that could be a scare tactic and to get everybody to take the vaccine.

I believe they are using the coronavirus to further their agenda of wanting to track the people, but either lying about it, exaggerating it, or letting it spread on purpose to affect many people.

We are not dealing with God fearing leaders anymore, and if they say they are with God they would be lying.

They abandoned God, and Jesus as Lord years ago, and now want a world based on the exaltation of people, so they can be dangerous.

If we were facing the coronavirus with leaders that were God fearing it would be different.

They do not care to use anything that would work, and will say it does not work, for they want to use nanoparticles and those small microchips.

Which it is not the mark of the beast, but a precursor, and preconditioning to the mark of the beast, for it gets people used to the idea of a chip inside them, and being tracked.

And then they will come out with the mark which will be put under the surface of the skin of the right hand, or forehead, that is a better tracking system for the bigger chip is linked to satellite.
 
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The only thing that matters is the truth (opinionated or not). Since you despise Hoft (showing that you are influenced by the Left-Liberal media), here is why that FRAUD Fauci should have been fired (another writer and another source). Actually he and Birx should not even have been near the White House.

THE REMARKABLE DOCTOR A. FAUCI [people should read the entire article]

What major media conveniently leave out is his highly controversial and conflicted history since he first joined NIAID in 1984 during the beginnings of the AIDS panic

F. William Engdahl | New Eastern Outlook - APRIL 15, 2020
Dramatic political and social decisions are being made across the United States and around the world on what emergency quarantine measures and other steps must be taken.... If there is one person who is the face of the current strategy of dealing with the coronavirus in Washington it is the Director of the US National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) of the NIH, Dr. Tony Fauci.

1. ...What major media conveniently leave out in discussing Fauci’s role is his highly controversial and conflicted history since he first joined NIAID in 1984 during the beginnings of the AIDS panic. His role then sheds valuable light on his remarkable and highly controversial actions today....

2. ...He had dismissed the President’s efforts to promote a known malaria medication as treatment for severe corona patients as “anecdotal,” even though seven years before he backed the same drug....

3. ...He has publicly taken projections from an institute created in Washington State by the Gates Foundation, the same foundation that virtually owns the WHO and owns major stakes in the leading vaccine makers...

4. ...Let’s go back to 1984 when Fauci was named head of NIAID during the Reagan era. That year an AIDS researcher, Robert Gallo, working under Fauci, held a press conference to announce that he had “discovered” the AIDS virus.... In a sharp rebuttal of the Gallo claims, claims endorsed by Fauci and the NIAID as well as CDC, Roberto A. Giraldo, MD and Etienne de Harven, MD, the scientist who produced the first electron micrograph of a retrovirus, pointed out that both the ELISA and Western blot, and a genetic test, the PCR or ‘Viral Load’ test,” the two major tests used to determine if one has AIDS, are invalid. ... Yet this fraud has shaped the career of Tony Fauci for more than 35 years.

5. ...As a result he has wasted tens of billions of taxpayer dollars since 1984 on dead end experiments. One of his most nefarious was his collaboration with Gilead Sciences....The Fauci-Gilead scam of promoting Truvada for healthy people to “reduce risk” of HIV is a marker for the level of medical malpractice and in some cases evident criminal abuse of human health...

6. ...In addition NIAID is working with Gilead to conduct Phase II human trials on Gilead’s drug, remdesivir, as a potential treatment for hospitalized adult patients diagnosed with COVID-19.

7. Fauci, Birx and Redfield, all incestuously complicit in the HIV/AIDS frauds and malpractice, today hold the future of not only American public health, but also of the entire world economy in their hands.

F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook.”
I sir am not caught in a left-right paradigm, something that has perfectly used to polarize a nation.

I will do my research on Fauci going back to publications no worries.

Shall we also examine's Trump past in the same light or is he squeaky clean?
 
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EleventhHour

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he holds a degree in politics
Nuff said

If you think the understanding of science >>>> biology, physics, chemistry, physiology etc., is exact you would be wrong.
 
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Nuff said

If you think the understanding of science >>>> biology, physics, chemistry, physiology etc., is exact you would be wrong.
Been thinking a lot on this....haven't we all. And something occured to me....you mention all those sciences EH, biology, physics, physiology etc. The thing is, if you rely on only one or two and ignore the others in deciding on courses of action, you could make a bad situation even worse, and turn a horrible situation catostrophic.

I came across a Harvard School of Public Health report which determined that the financial crisis of 2008 was "directly responsible" for more than a quarter of a million deaths worldwide just from cancer and cancer alone. There are other studies that look at the excess mortality in other diseases like cardiovascular or from suicide during economic down turns.

So the response most governments have taken is to lock down....in order to stop the spread. And looking at it from strictly from the perspective of an epidemiolgist that makes a lot of sense. Identify and isolate as many cases as possible and keep as many people home from work/school/social as is possible to prevent community spread via asymptomatic carriers.

Its human nature to act....someone stuck in quicksand, while they may know on an intellectual level that struggling will only make things worse, its hard and maybe impossible for some to just remain calm and still, slowly sinking in hopes that someone comes to the rescue.

We're struggling, invoking measures that...if we looked at other disciplines and academic research, we might realize that the cure is far worse than the disease.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/p...hmyPnDXHc8MJmfrIAUoIt9X4-J-6WtzUu544TmTH4JR3U
 
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Been thinking a lot on this....haven't we all. And something occured to me....you mention all those sciences EH, biology, physics, physiology etc. The thing is, if you rely on only one or two and ignore the others in deciding on courses of action, you could make a bad situation even worse, and turn a horrible situation catostrophic.

I came across a Harvard School of Public Health report which determined that the financial crisis of 2008 was "directly responsible" for more than a quarter of a million deaths worldwide just from cancer and cancer alone. There are other studies that look at the excess mortality in other diseases like cardiovascular or from suicide during economic down turns.

So the response most governments have taken is to lock down....in order to stop the spread. And looking at it from strictly from the perspective of an epidemiolgist that makes a lot of sense. Identify and isolate as many cases as possible and keep as many people home from work/school/social as is possible to prevent community spread via asymptomatic carriers.

Its human nature to act....someone stuck in quicksand, while they may know on an intellectual level that struggling will only make things worse, its hard and maybe impossible for some to just remain calm and still, slowly sinking in hopes that someone comes to the rescue.

We're struggling, invoking measures that...if we looked at other disciplines and academic research, we might realize that the cure is far worse than the disease.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/p...hmyPnDXHc8MJmfrIAUoIt9X4-J-6WtzUu544TmTH4JR3U

The cancer related deaths according to the article was that
“We also found that public healthcare spending was tightly associated with cancer mortality—suggesting healthcare cuts could cost lives.”
Makes sense, less money spent on health care more people die.

From reading all these posts, from the total naysayers, all I can think about is how much more resilient previous generations must have been.
How much more grounded and reasonable they were.

The second wave of the Spanish Flu was horrific.
I wonder if they thought is was all a hoax as people died left and right?

To state the cure is worse than the disease really makes no sense, there is no cure.
How can a cure be worse than the disease?
Makes no sense.

Now maybe a "treatment" worse than the disease, but even then how would we know? ... unless we let the disease run it's full course is that a reasonable approach on novel virus.

I personally do not think so.
 
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The cancer related deaths according to the article was that

Makes sense, less money spent on health care more people die.

From reading all these posts, from the total naysayers, all I can think about is how much more resilient previous generations must have been.
How much more grounded and reasonable they were.

The second wave of the Spanish Flu was horrific.
I wonder if they thought is was all a hoax as people died left and right?

To state the cure is worse than the disease really makes no sense, there is no cure.
How can a cure be worse than the disease?
Makes no sense.

Now maybe a "treatment" worse than the disease, but even then how would we know? ... unless we let the disease run it's full course is that a reasonable approach on novel virus.

I personally do not think so.
You are arguing facts with those who make up their own "facts" to suit their far right wing agenda. They will follow Trumpism into Hell & not care. This is not religion I see here. It is pharisees, legalism
 
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You are arguing facts with those who make up their own "facts" to suit their far right wing agenda. They will follow Trumpism into Hell & not care. This is not religion I see here. It is pharisees, legalism
It is the disregard for human life is for the life of me is just intolerable.

I cannot even stand to be on these threads anymore... what a sad state Christianity has become where politics "trumps" lol acting in love and compassion.

I see non-believers shopping for the elderly, helping out extending a hand, .. while Christians are worried about their right of assembly in Church as if there no other options and put themselves and others at risk.

I think I am done.

There is no point. I agree.
 
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It is the disregard for human life is for the life of me is just intolerable.

I cannot even stand to be on these threads anymore... what a sad state Christianity has become where politics "trumps" lol acting in love and compassion.

I see non-believers shopping for the elderly, helping out extending a hand, .. while Christians are worried about their right of assembly in Church as if there no other options and put themselves and others at risk.

I think I am done.

There is no point. I agree.

I completely understand how you feel. It hurts, doesn't it. Somehow, compassion, has left. I wrote my last post about what I think following Jesus means. I think you would do very well on another site that is (forgive me) a bit more forward thinking. Progressive Christianity may be too far a reach, but certainly Mainline Christianity is not. Not telling you what to do at all. I see you are a long time member so to last that long, you have probably contributed many good things.
Go in peace & love ...
Janeaux
 
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The cancer related deaths according to the article was that

Makes sense, less money spent on health care more people die.

From reading all these posts, from the total naysayers, all I can think about is how much more resilient previous generations must have been.
How much more grounded and reasonable they were.

The second wave of the Spanish Flu was horrific.
I wonder if they thought is was all a hoax as people died left and right?

To state the cure is worse than the disease really makes no sense, there is no cure.
How can a cure be worse than the disease?
Makes no sense.

Now maybe a "treatment" worse than the disease, but even then how would we know? ... unless we let the disease run it's full course is that a reasonable approach on novel virus.

I personally do not think so.
The conclusion of the Harvard Study is that over 260,000 people died worldwide due to the economic downturn....people losing jobs = less money to spend on heath care = increased deaths. We've prescribed an economic downturn to fight coronavirus....one that economists agree (consensus) will be far worse than the 2008 financial crisis.

So you think this time people will find magic sources of money to help them pay for improved health care?
 
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The conclusion of the Harvard Study is that over 260,000 people died worldwide due to the economic downturn....people losing jobs = less money to spend on heath care = increased deaths. We've prescribed an economic downturn to fight coronavirus....one that economists agree (consensus) will be far worse than the 2008 financial crisis.

So you think this time people will find magic sources of money to help them pay for improved health care?
And so, do we know how many would die with an unchecked virus running rampant across the globe and the effect that would have on the global economy not to mention the shortage of doctors, nurses and other front line workers that would be the result.
Let me know when you figure that one out.:rolleyes:

You just want to argue.
Not coming to these threads anymore.
I am truly done.

Have a good day.
 

Desdichado

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I think the premise OP's is absurd. Birx and Fauci are specialists in a complex field covering a disease that is still being studied. They have both given sober analysis in so far as they understand what is going on. Knowing what they don't know, they've avoided the two extremes of passing the virus off as the flu and predicting global devastation. There are plenty of sensationalists and propagandists out there, but those two appear to be as honest as it gets.

Their job is to advise on only a part of the equation determining policy- the public health end. It is the role of the statesman to consider the whole and make prudent decisions. It is the fundamental role of the press to sound off on how prudent these measures are. Fearmongering is just one of the many things that occur when these roles are not observed. This is tall enough of an order in modern America, so I'm not going to add to it by expecting more of microbiologists, virologists, etc than their role requires.
 
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I think the premise OP's is absurd. Birx and Fauci are specialists in a complex field covering a disease that is still being studied. They have both given sober analysis in so far as they understand what is going on. Knowing what they don't know, they've avoided the two extremes of passing the virus off as the flu and predicting global devastation. There are plenty of sensationalists and propagandists out there, but those two appear to be as honest as it gets.

Their job is to advise on only a part of the equation determining policy- the public health end. It is the role of the statesman to consider the whole and make prudent decisions. It is the fundamental role of the press to sound off on how prudent these measures are. Fearmongering is just one of the many things that occur when these roles are not observed. This is tall enough of an order in modern America, so I'm not going to add to it by expecting more of microbiologists, virologists, etc than their role requires.
Oh well, been stating this all along.. not likely they will get it.... haven't you heard it is all a hoax and viruses do not really exist.:rolleyes:
 

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Viruses don't exist and are indeed a hoax propped up by big pharma.

It's all an imbalance in the humors. If we bloodletted like our forefathers, we would be right as rain. A chicken in every pot.

Oh well, been stating this all along.. not likely they will get it.... haven't you heard it is all a hoax and viruses do not really exist.:rolleyes:
 
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Viruses don't exist and are indeed a hoax propped up by big pharma.

It's all an imbalance in the humors. If we bloodletted like our forefathers, we would be right as rain. A chicken in every pot.
Someone who gets it!

Amen!
 

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Dr. Birx said all of the flu models predicted somewhere between 1.6 and 2.2 million deaths if the government did not mitigate. (...)
There is not a single country that has seen more than 13,000 deaths from the virus.
Are you saying that all these other countries did not apply any mitigation measures?
 
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And so, do we know how many would die with an unchecked virus running rampant across the globe and the effect that would have on the global economy not to mention the shortage of doctors, nurses and other front line workers that would be the result.
Let me know when you figure that one out.:rolleyes:

You just want to argue.
Not coming to these threads anymore.
I am truly done.

Have a good day.
You too, sincerely....we have differing opinions, neither is right or wrong. Both views are valid....the only times they're not is when you're dealing with extremists, and I don't believe you're one of those.
 
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And so,


Let me know when you figure that one out.:rolleyes:

You just want to argue.
Not coming to these threads anymore.
I am truly done.

Have a good day.
Despite the fact that you're tapping out and won't be contributing any more to the discussion EH, I'm going to respond in what I hope will be a respectful manner and with some grace.

This is the question you pose:

"do we know how many would die with an unchecked virus running rampant across the globe and the effect that would have on the global economy not to mention the shortage of doctors, nurses and other front line workers that would be the result?

No we do not know that, it is an unknown. However there are some things that we do now know that we didn't before. The lockdown measures that were enacted were the result of a report by the Imperial College of London, I think you're now satisfied that I've read it, and I hope you've done the same. That report predicted that, left unchecked, that the coronavirus would kill over 2 million people just in the United States. It was further suggested that with mitigation efforts (social distancing, closing schools etc) that this number would be cut in half.

Those are simple facts....not the numbers themselves, they were the result of a computer simulation, one which assumed 70% complaince with mitigation efforts. But that the ICofL made these predictions, that is a fact.

Now the medical authorities in the United States are talking about 100K to 200K deaths...maybe, Dr Fauci qualified this range by saying its something that "could" happen, not that it will happen. It could be higher than that range, or lower....we simply do not know.

As I write this deaths in the United States are listed at over 37,000....and obviously that number continues to grow day by day. In Italy there have been almost 23,000 deaths attribued to covid-19, and it also continues to grow. Where will it end? Nobody knows with any degree of certainty....as summer weather comes in its possible that the coronavirus may go into hibernation so to speak, and then come roaring back with the cooler weather, or it may keep going all summer long.....too many unknowns.

Whether one views current lockdown measures to be justified or not is up to individual opinion.....I happen to disagree with them. Its my belef that Sweden's measures are far more sustainable over the long term than what's being done in most other countries.

I look at my own country, Canada. In the province where I live (Ontario) the health system has canceled all screenings for cancer in order to marshall our limited resources to fight the pandemic and the anticipated surge. While on the one hand that seems reasonable, I also know that early screening and detection is the most important tool in the fight against cancer and saving lives....you hear it all the time.

Be it prostate or breast the message of public health officials is GET CHECKED. But not now....now someone with a tumour or growth is being told to wait....and when the screening is finally done (whenver that happens) if it turns out to be malignant and too far advanced for early treatment.....oh well, maybe we should chalk that death up to covid-19 as well, not directly but as collateral damage to use a military term.

Ultimately it comes down to values....the person who's poured heart and sould into a small biz, and the employees who rely on that job for their livelihood, I'm not going to denigrate them for thinking that these measures have possibly gone too far.....maybe gov't assistance can go on indefinitely. Likewise for those living with mental illness or an abusive spouse in these lockdown conditions....

There's no one size fits all opinion...and every point of view has value. We need to stop with the flaming wars of words and try to help each other cope....both those whose fears are centred on the pandemic itself, as well as those whose fears are more about how authorities have chosen to combat it.

Peace.