EU will change to federation

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trofimus

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German Social Democrat (SPD) Chairman Martin Schulz wants the EU to become a federation in the coming years. Its member countries should adopt a common constitutional treaty. Who will oppose the idea should leave the EU, said Schulz on Thursday at the SPD Congress in Berlin.

"I want a European constitutional treaty that will create a federal Europe," the head of the SPD said, according to which the "United States of Europe" should see the light of the world by 2025.

The constitutional treaty, he said, should draw up a convention with the citizens. "And when we have it, it must be submitted in the member states (to vote). And who will then be against, he will go out of the European Union."

Source (not English):
https://www.novinky.cz/zahranicni/e...sici-cleny-vyhodme-rekl-radikalne-schulz.html
 

maxwel

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Well that's one way to keep the EU from collapsing...

change it so no one can ever leave.
 
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German Social Democrat (SPD) Chairman Martin Schulz wants the EU to become a federation in the coming years. Its member countries should adopt a common constitutional treaty. Who will oppose the idea should leave the EU, said Schulz on Thursday at the SPD Congress in Berlin.

"I want a European constitutional treaty that will create a federal Europe," the head of the SPD said, according to which the "United States of Europe" should see the light of the world by 2025.

The constitutional treaty, he said, should draw up a convention with the citizens. "And when we have it, it must be submitted in the member states (to vote). And who will then be against, he will go out of the European Union."

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https://www.novinky.cz/zahranicni/e...sici-cleny-vyhodme-rekl-radikalne-schulz.html
but notice how many many people are opposing it u see....... its not like america where everybody speak english. too many languages and many are proud of theirs ......... wont work.

i didnt overstand the politricks language, is he saying the people get to vote????
 
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Though some people want this i have a hard time believing it will happen ecspecially the countries where the eu is not too popular. I live in america which is kind of a federation and some states would want to leave if they could.
 

Namiette

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It seems to me like another attempt how to control and put to silence countries, which don't want to submit to the dicate of Brussels...
But maybe I'm just too sceptical.
 

MattforJesus

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German Social Democrat (SPD) Chairman Martin Schulz wants the EU to become a federation in the coming years. Its member countries should adopt a common constitutional treaty. Who will oppose the idea should leave the EU, said Schulz on Thursday at the SPD Congress in Berlin.

"I want a European constitutional treaty that will create a federal Europe," the head of the SPD said, according to which the "United States of Europe" should see the light of the world by 2025.

The constitutional treaty, he said, should draw up a convention with the citizens. "And when we have it, it must be submitted in the member states (to vote). And who will then be against, he will go out of the European Union."

Source (not English):
https://www.novinky.cz/zahranicni/e...sici-cleny-vyhodme-rekl-radikalne-schulz.html
The Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until God puts them down in which they will come together along with America,and be a power base that will pull all nations together,and they will devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces.

They shall mingle themselves with the seed of men.
 

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The Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until God puts them down in which they will come together along with America,and be a power base that will pull all nations together,and they will devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces.

They shall mingle themselves with the seed of men.
Wishful thinking! Lol
 

prove-all

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The Pope also Wants A Federal Europe

A dangerous alliance exists between the United States and the Russian
Federation, Pope Francis told Italian newspaper La Repubblica.

Scalfari intervista Francesco: "Il mio grido al G20 sui migranti" - Repubblica.it

“I fear there are very dangerous alliances between powers that have a distorted
vision of the world: America and Russia, China and North Korea, Putin and Assad
in the Syria war,” Francis told Scalfari.

When Scalfari asked the pope what kind of danger these alliances posed,
Francis told him that the greatest danger concerns migrants.

Later in the interview, Scalfari expressed his own opinion that the nations of
Europe needed to assume a federal structure as soon as possible to solve the
migrant crisis.

“Yes, that is the case,” Francis said. “Countries will act if they recognize one
truth: Either Europe becomes a federal community or it will no longer count
for anything in the world.”
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This is not the first time Francis has advocated for a federal Europe.
He received the famed Charlemagne Prize on May 6, 2016 for “exceptional
work performed in the service of European unity.” Then, almost a year later,
he delivered a speech to the leaders of 27 European Union member states.


This speech on the 60th anniversary of the signing of [the Treaty of Rome].
Pope Francis: address to EU Heads of State and Government - Vatican Radio


During his address, the pope warned that the European Union risks “dying”
unless its leaders band together against populism. This marked the first time
Francis has openly stated that a federal Europe is necessary to counterbalance
the United States.

The Vatican City is more than the headquarters of a religion; it is a nation-state
participating in political machinations involving empires.

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Pope Francis: "Trump? I do not judge. I care only if he makes the poor suffer"
Pope Francis: "Trump? I do not judge. I care only if he makes the poor suffer" - Repubblica.it


Eugenio Scalfari asked Pope Francis was asked whether he was advocating for a
Marxist society. “It has been said many times and my response has always been
that, if anything, it is the Communists who think like Christians,” Francis replied.


“Christ spoke of a society where the poor, the weak and the marginalized have
the right to decide. Not demagogues, not Barabbas, but the people, the poor,
whether they have faith in a transcendent God or not. It is they who must help
to achieve equality and freedom.”

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While Christ did highlight the importance of free-will generosity to those
genuinely in need, He never advocated state-enforced income redistribution.

Communists do not think like true Christians.

Pope Francis and the College of Cardinals are actively working to establish a
new system of world government. The Roman Catholic Church doesn’t believe
the Kingdom of God is a literal kingdom to be established on Earth by Jesus Christ
at His Second Coming. The Catholic Church’s position is that the Kingdom of God
is a modern-day church, ruled by the “vicar of Christ.”

Biblical prophecy describes a church existing in the end time that holds significant
political influence with “the kings of the earth.” It will have particular power over
a political-military union of nations described in symbolic terminology as a “beast”.

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EU lawmakers call for ‘Federal Union’ of European states
https://www.rt.com/news/378678-lawmakers-federal-union-of-europe/

search: Calls for A Federal Europe
https://www.bing.com/search?q=call+...s=n&sk=&cvid=9a1cc368edba46aebaec625015c628c0
 
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Miri

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Many different politicians have spouted off their opinions and what they want
from the EU over the years, especially Germany. Doesn’t mean it will happen.

Having said that Germany might get more of what it wants after Brexit, as
France doesn’t have the same restraining hand of power the UK had over Germany,

Makes me even more glad we are leaving.
 

Waggles

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The best laid plans of mice and men have a way of coming to nought.
The world is running out of time. We are all on the cusp of Armageddon and the
return of Jesus and the angels to end the nuclear catastrophe that will engulf the
entire world.
Rome herself will be nuked most probably by Russia.

2017 we got through only just, as 2017 is a year of many notable jubilees that need
to be honoured and celebrated.
But 2018 is free from such and is open to anything goes.

Syria? Hezbollah? Egypt? Jerusalem? Turkey? Russia? U.S. involvement?
The fuse has been lit. It is just a matter as to how long the fuse it before it all
goes kaboom.
The EU like all unlearned and un-Godly world leaders/rulers have no idea of their
impending doom.
 

Dude653

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The Star Trek Federation?
 

Waggles

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Europe is on the path to destruction.
Any plans for future prosperity and great power is completely fanciful ...

[video=youtube;ydPZRoLzu-E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydPZRoLzu-E[/video]
 

Dude653

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The problem in Europe is that Islamic immigration has outpaced European birth rates. Give it another 30 years or so in Europe will be like Afghanistan minus the sand
 

MattforJesus

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Europe is on the path to destruction.
Any plans for future prosperity and great power is completely fanciful ...
But things will change,which the Bible says that the Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until God puts them down,and they come together,and devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,which America,and Canada,and Australia,and any Caucasian led nation,will come together and pull all nations together as they try to establish peace on earth,in which they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men,which America showed the world that all ethnic groups,and religions,can get along despite their differences,and on the back of the dollar bill,announcing the conception of a new order of the ages,and out of many,one.

When the nations do come together they will operate by a ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section.

They want people to think there is despair,and conflict,and they go by controlled conflict brings about controlled change,or constructive chaos.

The Hegel System.

1.Thesis.
2.Anti-thesis.
3.Synthesis-back to the first but in a higher form which produces a better system.

1.Thesis-America.
2.Anti-thesis-Russia.
3.Synthesis-back to the first but in a higher form the traits of both,the ten horn kingdom.

America and Russia were together all along,and they want the world to think they are in conflict,and they like the traits of both systems.

Right Wing,and Left Wing,is also a Hegel principle,and want people to think there is conflict there,but they are really together.

Things can change fast,and America was planned to collapse after she did her job,and fail at obtaining peace on earth,so the nations will come together and continue on with the peace plan,the ten horn kingdom,with a unified religious system based on the new age movement interpretation of the Bible,spiritual evolution through nature,and exalts people,and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,but a good teacher,and ascended master,and avatar.

It will be the nations coming together,but the dominion of the Roman Empire,and their plan on how to get control of the world,for not all wars are fought by straight out physical fighting.

We are at war,and they are doing it in a way that has not been done before,because of advanced travel,and advanced technology,and the world knows about each other,so it is too big to fight,so they claim peace,and harmony for the world,but the Bible says when the nations come together,and say Peace and safety,then sudden destruction comes upon them,as a woman in travail with child,and they shall not escape,and the man of sin,antichrist,by peace shall destroy many,as he convinces the world they must take out certain groups for there to be peace on earth,in which the first is the religion of Islam,which he plucks up 3 horns by the roots,nuclear weapons,which the ten horn kingdom failed at obtaining peace on earth,for it was the most terrible war ever in which one third of the population of the world perishes,and they turn to the man of sin,New Age Christ,for the answer as he convinces them he harnessed the power of nature,and obtained power,evolved,and will share this power with all who follow him,which is what they were striving for by way of the new age movement.

The battle of Armageddon is over 7 years away from now.The world will come together,and God will not go against them until the 7 years period is over,for the first three and one half years repentance,and salvation,is still available to the world,so God will not go against them,and the man of sin,the beast,New Age Christ,has power to rule for the last three and one half years,so God will not go against them then.When the 7 years is over,and the world rebelled against God,then God will go against the world,and the battle of Armageddon will occur.

The man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East,and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel,and the Jews and the Gentiles will be separated,and the Gentile nations will come together,and say Peace and safety,as they try to establish peace on earth,the ten horn kingdom shall rule with the traits of America,and Russia,the Hegel System,which they believe will produce a better system than either one alone.

The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until God puts them down,and all nations will come together to try to establish peace on earth,but it is the Roman Empire's plan to cause this to happen,and America is part of the Roman Empire.

The nations are working together more than what people realize,but they do not want that to be known.Controlled conflict brings about controlled change,or constructive chaos,and the only way the nations will come together is if it appears that there is little hope,despair,not prosperity,but that is what they want them to think,for without that nobody would come together,because of the arrogance,and self exaltation of people,and nations,but they will put aside their differences of they believe it will be a benefit to their nation,and the world in which they live.

WW1,League of Nations,WW2,United Nations,and that pattern will continue until the nations come together to try to have peace on earth,which they believe the New Age Christ will not help them until the nations come together,and say Peace and safety,in which they are operating as one system,and they want the New Age Christ to help them to achieve power through nature,evolve.

Things can change fast,so do not let chaos,and conflicts,and despair,and problems cause you to think it will not happen,for it will happen.
 

Waggles

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I am very sorry @MattforJesus but what you write is pretty fanciful and
I do not read Revelation as all this futuristic world order and anti-Christ
yet to come.

Much of Bible prophecy has already been fulfilled over the last 2,000 years of
Christian and Jewish history.
The Roman Empire does continue but is transformed from the old imperial Rome
of the emperors to the Roman Catholic Church under new emperors now called
Popes.

In the end Europe nor America nor the world has thirty years.
I think you will find that events will happen with a big bang pretty soon.

After the new year I will be posting (if the Lord wills) a post or two about 2018
and the significance of this year to us all.
 
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JosephsDreams

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I know a real genuine biblical scholar. Recently he told me that about 50% of all prophecies have been filled. Before he told me that I thought it was closer to around 75%. I did no study on it, just a number I guestimated.
So what he essentially was saying is that about half of all prophesy is regarding end days.

No one knows when Satan is coming onto the world scene. Things can move fast, no doubt. But 30 years may be sooner then i think. Just for conversations sake, because no one can say for sure what decade, much less what year or month, I think that sometime in the next 50 to 100 years is a possible time frame. I think less then 50 years is a bit premature, and much more then 150 years would surprise me - not that I will be here to witness it in this body.

It's a fascinating subject, but no sense either in expanding to much time or intellectual energy on it. The answer is unattainable.
Keep your/our eyes on Jesus in faith and trust.
Everything else will work itself out.