Former RNC chair: was no one in the room with Trump?

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Dan_473

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' “You just made her case of intimidation. Is no one in the room with you?” Michael Steele, former chairman of the Republican National Committee, tweeted at Trump. '


Ken Starr was more blunt.
' “The president was not advised by counsel in deciding to do this tweet. Extraordinarily poor judgment . . . Obviously this was quite injurious,” observed Ken Starr, who led the special counsel investigation into the Clinton administration. '

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/trump’s-tweet-attack-yovanovitch-only-wounded-himself-97231

May God lead our president to frequently consult with wise counselors.

Proverbs 15: 22. Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellers they are established.
 
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' “You just made her case of intimidation. Is no one in the room with you?” Michael Steele, former chairman of the Republican National Committee, tweeted at Trump. '


Ken Starr was more blunt.
' “The president was not advised by counsel in deciding to do this tweet. Extraordinarily poor judgment . . . Obviously this was quite injurious,” observed Ken Starr, who led the special counsel investigation into the Clinton administration. '

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/trump’s-tweet-attack-yovanovitch-only-wounded-himself-97231

May God lead our president to frequently consult with wise counselors.

Proverbs 15: 22. Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellers they are established.
Well, he does has Paula White counseling him. :rolleyes::oops:o_O
 

kaylagrl

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' “You just made her case of intimidation. Is no one in the room with you?” Michael Steele, former chairman of the Republican National Committee, tweeted at Trump. '


Ken Starr was more blunt.
' “The president was not advised by counsel in deciding to do this tweet. Extraordinarily poor judgment . . . Obviously this was quite injurious,” observed Ken Starr, who led the special counsel investigation into the Clinton administration. '

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/trump’s-tweet-attack-yovanovitch-only-wounded-himself-97231

May God lead our president to frequently consult with wise counselors.

Proverbs 15: 22. Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellers they are established.
As was pointed Dems are protesting at Amb Sonlands hotels at the moment, led by a congressman I think it was. So intimidating a witness is only right when Dems do it I guess.
 

PennEd

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As was pointed Dems are protesting at Amb Sonlands hotels at the moment, led by a congressman I think it was. So intimidating a witness is only right when Dems do it I guess.
This is a real test for me. I am literally afraid for how much I despise Democrats. I know the Lord doesn't want me to think this way, but these people are so wicked and hate America so much, it's difficult not to despise them, and their stupid supporters, who are so ignorant, I find it difficult to converse with them.
 

Mii

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This is a real test for me. I am literally afraid for how much I despise Democrats. I know the Lord doesn't want me to think this way, but these people are so wicked and hate America so much, it's difficult not to despise them, and their stupid supporters, who are so ignorant, I find it difficult to converse with them.

Well I find it sometimes helpful to pray for more "heart". To love what only the Lord can love for his glory :)

Maybe you can't love them, but I know he has a bigger heart than I ever will without him and stewarding a bit of that is a responsibility that is available.

It was a cool realization to know that I have my own "love limits" and that I have that option available.




I have an issue with "elitism" in general. Specific exceptions exist possibly...but mostly I find it harmful and frustrating (and even some strong anger at times).
 

gb9

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This is a real test for me. I am literally afraid for how much I despise Democrats. I know the Lord doesn't want me to think this way, but these people are so wicked and hate America so much, it's difficult not to despise them, and their stupid supporters, who are so ignorant, I find it difficult to converse with them.

not that this makes it o.k, but many of the dems hate us ( those who believe in Jesus, don't support lgbt+, don't want socialism, don't want open borders, etc... ) hate us much more than we could dislike them.

and, I get angry too, but I am praying that I see them as victims of lies and propaganda instead of evil people. that helps.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I have no problem praying about the lies and devilish schemes enacted by the left. God knows what they are up to and David put it very well when he said let the wicked fall into their own nets and let them fall into the pit they dug for another

the Bible states God HATES liars...they will not enter heaven. perhaps when exposed they may repent and be ashamed for what they have done and if not, well the truth was vindicated by God Himself. frankly I hate lies also but that does not mean I hate the person spouting them. having had some very harmful lies spouted about myself, I can identify (on a smaller scale) with the current goings on

the Democrats do not have the rights to lying...it started in the Garden, through the devil, and has never stopped

look up Psalm 35 and Psalm 141...prayer is really the only answer to what is going on...earnest and godly prayer can and will move the hand of God

and as far as White goes...I wish she would. how on earth did she ever worm her way in there
 

Lightskin

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This is a real test for me. I am literally afraid for how much I despise Democrats. I know the Lord doesn't want me to think this way, but these people are so wicked and hate America so much, it's difficult not to despise them, and their stupid supporters, who are so ignorant, I find it difficult to converse with them.
My brother, when I took the oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against enemies both foreign and domestic, I never thought the domestic part might truly come into play.

Though I no longer wear the uniform, my oath is still valid and am well prepared to help neutralize today’s domestic enemies. And I am at peace with God should it become necessary.
 

Lightskin

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I get angry too, but I am praying that I see them as victims of lies and propaganda instead of evil people. that helps.
Point very well taken, however their actions lead to the demise and death of millions of people. Be it victims or evil, they need to be stopped. How it’s done is up to them.
 

Ghoti2

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You two seem to be forgetting that both sides are equally responsible for the deaths of millions. I also can't fathom the wrapped thinking of Democrats, but killing other Americans is no answer.
 

Lightskin

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You two seem to be forgetting that both sides are equally responsible for the deaths of millions. I also can't fathom the wrapped thinking of Democrats, but killing other Americans is no answer.
Killing fellow Americans who kill the most innocent of all human beings while promoting and defending decadence and ungodliness, is justified.
 

kaylagrl

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You two seem to be forgetting that both sides are equally responsible for the deaths of millions. I also can't fathom the wrapped thinking of Democrats, but killing other Americans is no answer.
The deaths of millions of people? ...
 

Dan_473

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As was pointed Dems are protesting at Amb Sonlands hotels at the moment, led by a congressman I think it was. So intimidating a witness is only right when Dems do it I guess.
No, witness tampering is never right.

Exodus 23: 2. "You shall not follow a crowd to do evil; neither shall you testify in court to side with a multitude to pervert justice.
 

kaylagrl

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No, witness tampering is never right.

Exodus 23: 2. "You shall not follow a crowd to do evil; neither shall you testify in court to side with a multitude to pervert justice.
It's not a trail, so I doubt that applies. But no, neither side should do it. But Dems get before the people acting all self righteous when they are doing the same thing they are accusing the president of. But that's typical of Dems.
 

Dan_473

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This is a real test for me. I am literally afraid for how much I despise Democrats. I know the Lord doesn't want me to think this way, but these people are so wicked and hate America so much, it's difficult not to despise them, and their stupid supporters, who are so ignorant, I find it difficult to converse with them.
This is an interesting situation.

I often find myself having negative feelings towards people who won't criticize Trump even when he does something that pretty clearly was a mistake.

Generally speaking, I'm more attracted to the overall Democratic platform then the Republican won. Keeping in mind, of course, that since there are only two main parties in the USA there are going to be some things that I agree or disagree with in each party.

So maybe we can learn from each other!

There are some conservative/Republican commentators that I like to listen to. David Brooks and George Will come to mind. They are both conservative and intelligent, though neither is a trump supporter.

What is something that the Democratic party generally endorses that you disagree with?
 

kaylagrl

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This is a real test for me. I am literally afraid for how much I despise Democrats. I know the Lord doesn't want me to think this way, but these people are so wicked and hate America so much, it's difficult not to despise them, and their stupid supporters, who are so ignorant, I find it difficult to converse with them.

You know I get angry too sometimes. But I don't hate Dems, I hate what they are doing and many of their beliefs. At that I do separate Dems from progressives. I believe progressives have an evil agenda, so I feel different about them. Hubby was a Dem when I met him. When we began to talk he realized how much the party had changed and he could no longer support the party. Many people support a party because their family always did, or other reasons that when brought to their attention, they change their minds, just like my hubby did. He'll never vote Dem again.
 

Dan_473

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It's not a trail, so I doubt that applies. But no, neither side should do it. But Dems get before the people acting all self righteous when they are doing the same thing they are accusing the president of. But that's typical of Dems.
Perhaps how the nasb puts it would make it seem more applicable

"You shall not follow the masses in doing evil, nor shall you testify in a dispute so as to turn aside after a multitude in order to pervert justice"

https://biblehub.com/nasb/exodus/23.htm

Of course, I don't think the letter of the law applies to Christians today. But the concepts are good to keep in mind.

I agree that the Democrats are acting righteous when they aren't really. But I think that's common to both parties, when either is given the opportunity.

I doubt that anyone gets in to Congress or the presidency while being squeaky clean the entire time.

"There'll be a load of compromisin'
On the road to my horizon"

https://www.metrolyrics.com/rhinestone-cowboy-lyrics-campbell-glen.html
 

PennEd

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This is an interesting situation.

I often find myself having negative feelings towards people who won't criticize Trump even when he does something that pretty clearly was a mistake.

Generally speaking, I'm more attracted to the overall Democratic platform then the Republican won. Keeping in mind, of course, that since there are only two main parties in the USA there are going to be some things that I agree or disagree with in each party.

So maybe we can learn from each other!

There are some conservative/Republican commentators that I like to listen to. David Brooks and George Will come to mind. They are both conservative and intelligent, though neither is a trump supporter.

What is something that the Democratic party generally endorses that you disagree with?
This has NOTHING to do with criticizing Trump or NOT criticizing Trump.

I don't even look at Trump as far as who he is. All I care about is what the promises he made were, the platforms of each party, and the direction they want to take the nation.

I figured out, even before I was a Christian, that to be a democrat, a "progressive", on the left, (they are ALL virtually the same now) a person had to be very ignorant, or evil. There is no other explanation.

You say you are more in line with the democrat platform?! Just a tiny taste of the difference.

1.First and foremost democrats are not only anti life, but now even float the idea of allowing the mother and Dr. to murder the baby AFTER birth.

GOP is pro life and Trump has been awesome on actually doing what he is able on this issue.


2. Democrats are COMPLETELY, 100% behind homosexual marriage. One of their front runners for Presidential nomination, is married to man! And not ONLY homosexuality, but they ALL fully support a man chopping off body parts and woman adding body parts to change their sex they were born with. EVEN CHILDREN! And, not only do they promote this agenda, but actively persecute and terrorize those that speak against it.

Republicans are pro family- one man one woman.


3. Democrats endorse the global warming hoax whole heartedly. America under Trump has become the world's largest energy producer again. Finally. Democrats want to destroy that industry with their insane Green New deal.

4. Democrats actually booed God and removed support for Israel at their convention in 2012. We all know how great Trump has been on supporting Israel.


I could go on and on with things like Judicial appointments and trade, but how any decent person, let alone Christians, could support Dems is beyond me!
 

Ghoti2

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The deaths of millions of people? ...
Ask any veteran who served in the dozens of wars and armed conflicts Congress has engaged the USA in. They can help you learn who I mean.
 

kaylagrl

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Ask any veteran who served in the dozens of wars and armed conflicts Congress has engaged the USA in. They can help you learn who I mean.
War is war. Death happens and can't be avoided. There isn't intent to murder millions. I guess that's the distinction that needs to be made.