Gay Marriage; Now comes the battle...

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Gay Marriage; Now comes the battle… Will churches have the right to refuse to marry gay members without it being classified as discrimination... The precedence for this fight has already been heard in our legal system when a bakery refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay wedding... thoughts?


1 Kings 18:21 -And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, how long halt ye between two opinions? If the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
2 Kings 17:41 -Even while these people were worshiping the LORD, they were serving their idols. To this day their children and grandchildren continue to do as their ancestors did

 
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Great speech by Rabbi Jonathan Cahn if you missed.... will not see on many of the news services...
God Has A Warning For Our Country, Every American Needs To Watch This

This was said before the Supreme Court vote on “Gay Marriage” to the Justices…

They did not heed the warning…
“If this court should overrule the word of God and strike down the eternal rules of order and right that heaven itself ordained, how then will God save it? ”Justices, can you judge the ways of God? There is another court and there another judge, where all men and all judges will give account.
If a nation’s high court should pass judgment on the Almighty, should you then be surprised God will pass judgment on the court and that nation? We are doing that which Israel did on the altars of Baal.
We are exchanging our light for darkness.” Rabbi Jonathan Cahn



1 Kings 18:21 -And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, how long halt ye between two opinions? If the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.

2 Kings 17:41 -Even while these people were worshiping the LORD, they were serving their idols. To this day their children and grandchildren continue to do as their ancestors did
 
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Judgment day is coming
 
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If two gay people want to marry then I believe that is their constitutional right to do so, however if a Church refuses to recognize it then that is also their constitutional right. Asking a Christian Church to recognize gay marriage is kind of like asking a vegetarian to eat a Big Mac. My point being that if people want to be gay then that is their constitutional right however they should not expect other people to go against their religious beliefs in order to accommodate them.
 
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Dude653 said:
If two gay people want to marry then I believe that is their constitutional right to do so, however if a Church refuses to recognize it then that is also their constitutional right. Asking a Christian Church to recognize gay marriage is kind of like asking a vegetarian to eat a Big Mac. My point being that if people want to be gay then that is their constitutional right however they should not expect other people to go against their religious beliefs in order to accommodate them.
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God's law over rides the constitution and personal choice.
So, NO it is not their right.
 
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Yes God's law does over rule man's law, and we Christians need to stick to God's law no matter what man's law may say.

With this being said though this world is run right now by satan, who is also given the title prince of this world, and the U.S. is no longer a Christian country as some like to believe. We have multiple cultures, religions, and customs that live here now and the laws unfortunately are to cover all residents that live here.

We are told by the Lord Jesus that we are not to force our ways/beliefs on others, and this works vise versa that they are not to force their ways on us.

So until the freedom of religion gets taken away they can not enforce churches to go against their religious beliefs to marry these couples.

With that being said however I saw how the bakery thing was brought up, and in that case and others alike it was deemed that businesses are exempt from the freedom of religion law, as a place of business is not a church or place of worship according to them. This is not right but what if you found out some of the places you love to shop were ran by atheists, and they started turning you away because you are Christian. How far will this go on forcing rights/beliefs on others that do not believe the same ???

Matthew 10:14 and Luke 9:5 is where Jesus shows us not to force our belief on others !!!
 
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You don't have the right to force your religious beliefs on someone else.. You can't base laws on religion. I am a Bible believing Christian but I don't have the right to force my beliefs on someone else. This would result tyranny. What happens when we get a muslim and they decide they want to start enforcing Sharia law. This country was not founded on Christian principles.
 
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Dude653 said:
You don't have the right to force your religious beliefs on someone else.. You can't base laws on religion. I am a Bible believing Christian but I don't have the right to force my beliefs on someone else. This would result tyranny. What happens when we get a muslim and they decide they want to start enforcing Sharia law. This country was not founded on Christian principles.
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And with this belief God, which He has already done, will continue to NOT bless the United States. It is history repeating itself. Israel turned from God and His laws throughout the bible and we see what happened to Israel. The US is doing the same thing and we won't see anything but self destruction in the future. At least until this country turns from its rebellion and turns back to God.
 
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Dude653 said:
You don't have the right to force your religious beliefs on someone else.. You can't base laws on religion. I am a Bible believing Christian but I don't have the right to force my beliefs on someone else. This would result tyranny. What happens when we get a muslim and they decide they want to start enforcing Sharia law. This country was not founded on Christian principles.
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This reasoning got us to where we are today.
 
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Dude653 said:
If two gay people want to marry then I believe that is their constitutional right to do so, however if a Church refuses to recognize it then that is also their constitutional right. Asking a Christian Church to recognize gay marriage is kind of like asking a vegetarian to eat a Big Mac. My point being that if people want to be gay then that is their constitutional right however they should not expect other people to go against their religious beliefs in order to accommodate them.
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Question is...does God recognize it...NO!.
In other words, they can call it what they want, it's not a marriage in God's Book.
 
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3Scoreand10 said:
This reasoning got us to where we are today.
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That maybe true but the Lord Jesus clearly showed in Matthew 10:11-14 that we are not to force our beliefs on others....
 
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That maybe true but the Lord Jesus clearly showed in Matthew 10:11-14 that we are not to force our beliefs on others....
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Yes you are correct on this. And by the same logic that others are using then we would have to outlaw everything else at the Bible says is a sin. Imagine going to the police station and saying I said a cuss word today I'm here to turn myself in
 
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Yes you are correct on this. And by the same logic that others are using then we would have to outlaw everything else at the Bible says is a sin. Imagine going to the police station and saying I said a cuss word today I'm here to turn myself in
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Well I don't believe it will get that far but the bible does show a time that we will be arrested, persecuted, and even killed just for being a Christian.

Many people believe we are in the end times, yet then they go and act as if we can stop these things from happening that God said and showed will come to pass. Things are going to get worse rather we like it or not, and all we can do is pray for the Lord to come quickly and not fear those who can kill our bodies. So if it comes to a point where our lives become in danger do to the laws of man the Lord says do not fear and stand firm in the faith.
 
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That maybe true but the Lord Jesus clearly showed in Matthew 10:11-14 that we are not to force our beliefs on others....
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It happens to be the sodomites who are forcing their beliefs on us. It is not enough for them to marry but they demand you agree with them on the subject.

I wish they would repent and get saved. Romans chapter one tells me they know it is wickedness and that is why they delight in it. Remember civil unions are not enough for them. They want to adopt children and receive government benefits here to for reserved for hetero married couples.

Live and let live is not in their vocabulary. They are in your face and you will like it or else you will be a hater. Oh Job he eschewed evil he was a hater.

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It happens to be the sodomites who are forcing their beliefs on us. It is not enough for them to marry but they demand you agree with them on the subject.

I wish they would repent and get saved. Romans chapter one tells me they know it is wickedness and that is why they delight in it. Remember civil unions are not enough for them. They want to adopt children and receive government benefits here to for reserved for hetero married couples.

Live and let live is not in their vocabulary. They are in your face and you will like it or else you will be a hater. Oh Job he eschewed evil he was a hater.

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Well as I said before they should not be allowed to force their beliefs on us as well, and right now the law supports this do to we have freedom of religion.

They can demand all they want does not mean you have to give into that demand.
I wish they would repent and get saved to, but I will have to disagree with you that they all know this is wrong. For we have apostate churches out there now days they is teaching that this kind of union is acceptable in God's eyes, and they have been marrying these people in states that allow it for a couple of years now.

Queen Latifah just last year at the Grammy's married gay couples, as she is ordained a minister in this false new age apostate teaching...............
 
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Well as I said before they should not be allowed to force their beliefs on us as well, and right now the law supports this do to we have freedom of religion.

They can demand all they want does not mean you have to give into that demand.
I wish they would repent and get saved to, but I will have to disagree with you that they all know this is wrong. For we have apostate churches out there now days they is teaching that this kind of union is acceptable in God's eyes, and they have been marrying these people in states that allow it for a couple of years now.

Queen Latifah just last year at the Grammy's married gay couples, as she is ordained a minister in this false new age apostate teaching...............
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Why do you recognize these wicked people as the Lord's church.
I am sure He does not.
They are of Satan, no matter what they say.
 
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notuptome said:
It happens to be the sodomites who are forcing their beliefs on us. It is not enough for them to marry but they demand you agree with them on the subject.

I wish they would repent and get saved. Romans chapter one tells me they know it is wickedness and that is why they delight in it. Remember civil unions are not enough for them. They want to adopt children and receive government benefits here to for reserved for hetero married couples.

Live and let live is not in their vocabulary. They are in your face and you will like it or else you will be a hater. Oh Job he eschewed evil he was a hater.

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Exactly! They pretend that they just want to be left alone and yet they purposely went after Christian bakeries and others who disagreed with them, trying to ruin their careers and livelihoods. They want to punish and completely silence those who disagree with their lifestyle.

I feel sorry for the adopted children of gay couples. Statistics show that the majority of gay couples do not practice monogamy and they tend to have far more unstable relationships and riskier lifestyles than straight couples.
 
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Thus far no one has ever held a gun to my head and demand that I be gay. Just sayin....
 
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That maybe true but the Lord Jesus clearly showed in Matthew 10:11-14 that we are not to force our beliefs on others....
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We, as Christians, are not forcing our beliefs onto anyone, they are forcing us to accept their beliefs and demanding that we abandon ours.
Christianity has never forced homosexuals to do or not do anything. The stance of Christianity has always been that homosexuality, as well as other sexual perversion, is an abomination and a sin in the eyes of the Lord. Therefore if homosexuals and other perverts choose to live this type of sinful life, then so be it. There will be a place just for them in the lake with Satan. Now, do you honestly believe Christians are persecuting homosexuals because they will not go against the word of the Lord and condone or participate in their sinful life. My final point to you is: Christians are the ones that are being forced to abandon their beliefs, i.e. numerous lawsuits because business owners have only refused to participate in a homosexual marriage. They did not preach to those wanted a service for their homosexual lifestyle, the business owners only declined to be a party to it. So how is it that you believe your quotation of Matthew applies here? Just exactly how do you see it that Christian business owners are forcing their beliefs on others?
 
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"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty ... of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." (1816) - First chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court

Not founded on Christian principles? Really??

William Penn

"Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants."


Justice David Brewer said this:
"This is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation ... We find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth ... These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. (1892)
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Wow, it looks like our forefathers may disagree with you a bit.

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