Gay Marriage; Now comes the battle...

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Karen2

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Wow! That is ONLY YOUR VIEW! EVERYONE SINS! Are you perfect? I think Not! Who are you to judge? Are You Jesus? I think not! God teaches we are supposed to love everyone. The Bible says there is No One Perfect. ALL have Sinned, & Fallen Short Of The Glory Of God. I doubt he would be smiling down on you for your Persecution!
 
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ORly

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Im still waiting for someone to give justification for why gays have the right to marry?

God surely didn't give them the right.
and if God didn't give them the right then the so-called "right" isn't a right but a societal moralization based on nothing solid, nothing absolute.

which brings me to my next question.
Karen2 and Dude652, why shouldn't polygamists have the right to marry whomever they love? Why shouldn't pedophiles have the right to marry whomever they love? Why shouldn't zoophiles be able to marry whatever they love? Don't they have the "right" to marry whoever they love?
 
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Shadow-THI

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I was so excited when I found this Christian Chat room. In some ways it has made me very sad. I mean I DO NOT agree with Gay Marriage at all. But so many in this Chat Room are so ANGRY About it. I was told by other Christians in this room Gays NEVER wait til they are married. I had to point out in this day and age the average STRAIGHT teen loses their Virginity at 14! I DON'T Agree with Kids having sex either! Just pointing out a Fact! I DO NOT agree with Gay Marriage! But my feeling is that WE AS HUMANS are NOT the ones to Judge. If A Gay Couple gets married that choice is between them and The Lord! We are NOT Judge and Jury! We DON'T have to accept it, but as Christians we should still show Kindness To Everyone! Besides aren't their BIGGER problems like Starvation, Homeless People, Parents who can't find a job? A lot of people in this chat room are implying if you don't HATE Gays YOU Are not Following Christ! This is what disturbs me.
As I see it Karen, many people are passionate about their beliefs. It is not a hatred toward homosexuals, it is that ultimately these same lustful sinners will eventually want to matriculate in our churches, want marriages preformed in our churches, and demand services of Christian business owners (which as you know has already occurred). All the aforementioned are in direct conflict with Christian beliefs. We as Christians are being forced to participated in these perverse unions or face legal action or soon will be as the case maybe with church participation. If you really are concerned with hated over the marriage issue, then you need not look any further than the homosexuals and their supports themselves. I personally have not witnessed the hatred you claim exists in CC. The only hatred I have personally read here, has come from homosexual supporters that have claimed we are bigots and are "anti-gay." I would have the same passion for all perversion, no matter which one you care to discuss. I would not condone or assist adulterers, out of wedlock fornicators, those who wanted to have intercourse with animals, pedophilia, or any other perversion you can name. They all seem as sinful and an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. It's not a matter of hate, it's a matter of faithfulness to our Lord and Savior. As you said, he will judge the wicked, however that does not mean that we should condone or participate in their sinful perversion.
 
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Karen2

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Unfortunately The U.S. has made Gay Marriage Legal. We don't have to accept that choice with our faith, but treat them as God's children. I just don't want the government to FORCE Churches to perform Gay Ceremonies. We should be able to keep our 1st Amendment of this Nation's Constitution. Although I will not judge Homosexuals, Not my job, That is The Big Guy's J.C. I don't like how the media is throwing it all over The TV and Internet, Making it sound like Gay Marriage is "Better" than a Marriage between a Man & a Woman.
I still believe we shouldn't persecute Gays, Accept them as People. Only God Has The Authority To Cast Final Judgement.
 
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Mitspa

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Unfortunately The U.S. has made Gay Marriage Legal. We don't have to accept that choice with our faith, but treat them as God's children. I just don't want the government to FORCE Churches to perform Gay Ceremonies. We should be able to keep our 1st Amendment of this Nation's Constitution. Although I will not judge Homosexuals, Not my job, That is The Big Guy's J.C. I don't like how the media is throwing it all over The TV and Internet, Making it sound like Gay Marriage is "Better" than a Marriage between a Man & a Woman.
I still believe we shouldn't persecute Gays, Accept them as People. Only God Has The Authority To Cast Final Judgement.
Karen..some don't see this as a simple problem, some of us see this as a complete rejection of what we would desire for our society as citizens and as believers in Christ....For some of us, this is where we draw the line with this liberal nonsense that is attempting to pervert our children and our society.
 

crossnote

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The umbrella organization of which my church belongs (IFCA) threw their gauntlet down on same sex marriage...

The members and churches of the IFCA International

maintain their historical commitment to God’s Word, the

Bible as the final and
supreme authority in all matters of faith
and practice. Morality is a matter of biblical definition, not
subject to any cultural, social or political redefinition.
Morality, when left to popular opinion, will drift from
generation to generation, but biblic
al truth remains constant
and absolute.
The Biblical teaching on issues of human sexuality and

marriage is the final word regardless of what any human
individual or human institutions, organizations or groups might contend. There is no authority that can

supersede,
countermand or preclude the teaching of the Word of God.
We affirm biblical, traditional and historical marriage as the uniting of one man and one woman (as genetically defined)
within covenant bonds and lifelong commitment. Marriage is not open to social architecture, cultural engineering or judicial activism. God established it as His purpose at the beginning of time with Adam and Eve, demonstrated it through

the rest of Scripture and reinforced it through the teachings of Jesus. God regards
any sexual activity outside of this biblical
definition of marriage as sinful and, therefore, so must we.

We cannot and will not recognize or endorse same

sex “marriages,” nor will IFCA International churches or ministers be
involved in solemnizing such
“unions” either by hosting them within our churches or officiating at such ceremonies.
Any position, perspective or redefinition of marriage and sexuality that disagrees with this biblical standard, regardless of
its origin or source, will be dissented and rejected.

The Bible also informs us how we are to respond to people who struggle with sin of any kind, including homosexuality.
We are to possess and demonstrate God’s love for sinners, a love that seeks to deliver them from their sin through the provision of Jesus Christ. We renounce common reactions such as sarcasm, mockery, ridicule, and disrespect to those engaged in sin. However, the Gospel is not, nor has it ever been, about affirming humanity in whatever expression it chooses.
It is rather about the powerful grace of God toward sinners that delivers us from sin by cleansing us through the work of Jesus Christ on the cross. It is impossible, therefore, to demonstrate the love of God, and at the same time,

endorse, legitimize or affirm conduct or behavior that brings His condemnation on its participants.

Because we believe that the fundamental and inalienable right to religious freedom is at stake within this critical issue, we

will remain loyal to God and His eternal Word regardless of the decisio
n of any human court, regardless of how supremely
men venerate it. God’s expressed Word and will must remain truly supreme.
Therefore, the members and churches of the IFCA International agree to remain submissive to God rather than men; to openly reject any legal redefinition of marriage; to continue to contend for the faith; and, to affirm God’s design for marriage, family and individual conduct.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

Guest
Your question was correctly answered in post #110.

Becoming emotional, repeating false assertions (even after having them refuted), and engaging in logical fallacies cannot make you right Karen2. Those behaviors do not have the power to do so.

Who are you to judge?
 
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Mitspa

Guest
The umbrella organization of which my church belongs (IFCA) threw their gauntlet down on same sex marriage...

The members and churches of the IFCA International

maintain their historical commitment to God’s Word, the

Bible as the final and
supreme authority in all matters of faith
and practice. Morality is a matter of biblical definition, not
subject to any cultural, social or political redefinition.
Morality, when left to popular opinion, will drift from
generation to generation, but biblic
al truth remains constant
and absolute.
The Biblical teaching on issues of human sexuality and

marriage is the final word regardless of what any human
individual or human institutions, organizations or groups might contend. There is no authority that can

supersede,
countermand or preclude the teaching of the Word of God.
We affirm biblical, traditional and historical marriage as the uniting of one man and one woman (as genetically defined)
within covenant bonds and lifelong commitment. Marriage is not open to social architecture, cultural engineering or judicial activism. God established it as His purpose at the beginning of time with Adam and Eve, demonstrated it through

the rest of Scripture and reinforced it through the teachings of Jesus. God regards
any sexual activity outside of this biblical
definition of marriage as sinful and, therefore, so must we.

We cannot and will not recognize or endorse same

sex “marriages,” nor will IFCA International churches or ministers be
involved in solemnizing such
“unions” either by hosting them within our churches or officiating at such ceremonies.
Any position, perspective or redefinition of marriage and sexuality that disagrees with this biblical standard, regardless of
its origin or source, will be dissented and rejected.

The Bible also informs us how we are to respond to people who struggle with sin of any kind, including homosexuality.
We are to possess and demonstrate God’s love for sinners, a love that seeks to deliver them from their sin through the provision of Jesus Christ. We renounce common reactions such as sarcasm, mockery, ridicule, and disrespect to those engaged in sin. However, the Gospel is not, nor has it ever been, about affirming humanity in whatever expression it chooses.
It is rather about the powerful grace of God toward sinners that delivers us from sin by cleansing us through the work of Jesus Christ on the cross. It is impossible, therefore, to demonstrate the love of God, and at the same time,

endorse, legitimize or affirm conduct or behavior that brings His condemnation on its participants.

Because we believe that the fundamental and inalienable right to religious freedom is at stake within this critical issue, we

will remain loyal to God and His eternal Word regardless of the decisio
n of any human court, regardless of how supremely
men venerate it. God’s expressed Word and will must remain truly supreme.
Therefore, the members and churches of the IFCA International agree to remain submissive to God rather than men; to openly reject any legal redefinition of marriage; to continue to contend for the faith; and, to affirm God’s design for marriage, family and individual conduct.
Amen...thank God

Jos 24:15 ¶ And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve;
 
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AgeofKnowledge

Guest
Your question was correctly answered in post #138.

Becoming emotional, repeating false assertions (even after having them refuted), and engaging in logical fallacies cannot make you right Karen2. Those behaviors do not have the power to do so.

...but treat them as God's children.
 
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ORly

Guest
Unfortunately The U.S. has made Gay Marriage Legal. We don't have to accept that choice with our faith, but treat them as God's children. I just don't want the government to FORCE Churches to perform Gay Ceremonies. We should be able to keep our 1st Amendment of this Nation's Constitution. Although I will not judge Homosexuals, Not my job, That is The Big Guy's J.C. I don't like how the media is throwing it all over The TV and Internet, Making it sound like Gay Marriage is "Better" than a Marriage between a Man & a Woman.
I still believe we shouldn't persecute Gays, Accept them as People. Only God Has The Authority To Cast Final Judgement.
Unrepentant practicing homosexuals (so all homosexuals because someone fighting the urge to sin wont embrace the lifestyle of sin) are not children of God.
The Bible is clear that all people are God’s creation (Colossians 1:16), and that God loves the entire world (John 3:16), but only those who are born again are children of God (John 1:12; 11:52; Romans 8:16; 1 John 3:1-10).

Read more: Are we all God's children, or only Christians?

Also who is "persecuting" gays? How is stopping them from corrupting God's institution of marriage "persecuting?" Why do you think we dont accept them as people? Why havent you answered my earlier question?
 

p_rehbein

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This is what I have to do. My Husband is VERY Pro Republican, but I Don't really like either party I vote for The Politician that DOESN'T look As Shady Or Sleezy as the others. If Anyone believes there are "Honest" Politicians in the U.S., my view is they belong in some sort of Care Facility.
The Politicians don't want to help our country, only themselves. The only way we can change things around is if we actually got a Truthful Politician, and of course that candidate would be considered "Boring & Not With The Times!" That person would have No Chance to be elected!
I kinda wish you wouldn't vote...........just saying
 
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Im still waiting for someone to give justification for why gays have the right to marry ? .....

.... why shouldn't polygamists have the right to marry whomever they love?
Why shouldn't pedophiles have the right to marry whomever they love?
Why shouldn't zoophiles be able to marry whatever they love?
Easy Peasy, Orly !

CONSENTING ADULTS
 

Oncefallen

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The umbrella organization of which my church belongs (IFCA) threw their gauntlet down on same sex marriage...
My denomination (C&MA) passed a similar resolution earlier this year in expectation of this decision. A few weeks ago our pastor specifically said that his stance on this issue will not budge. If it means losing tax exempt status or other legal/civil penalties so be it.

I foresee that in the near future that churches may just end up forced out of the civil marriage (state sanctioned/licensed) arena altogether.
 

crossnote

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OK, OK. I didn't think I needed to say
'consenting adult HUMANS' !
"gosh, isn't that being rather narrow minded, restrictive, unloving, bigoted, dinosaurish etc., etc.? The orangutan needs love too!" :p
 
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"gosh, isn't that being rather narrow minded, restrictive, unloving, bigoted, dinosaurish etc., etc.? The orangutan needs love too!" :p
You may be right .... I guess, if the chimp doesn't mind .......
 

ThriftShopPop

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I support Equal Rights.

The US always guaranteed equal rights

I do NOT believe this place was founded upon "Christian values"

This was never "Gods chosen land"

Most of The founding fathers were diests AND pushed for separation of church and state. Which is the best decision and should stay that way. America is referred to a "melting pot" of different cultures and religions -something we all should be proud of and learn from.


But Good old 'Murica...


BTW-Thomas Jefferson owned 175 slaves
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/opinion/the-real-thomas-jefferson.html?_r=0

"Nor was Jefferson a particularly kind master. He sometimes punished slaves by selling them away from their families and friends, a retaliation that was incomprehensibly cruel even at the time. A proponent of humane criminal codes for whites, he advocated harsh, almost barbaric, punishments for slaves and free blacks. Known for expansive views of citizenship, he proposed legislation to make emancipated blacks “outlaws” in America, the land of their birth. Opposed to the idea of royal or noble blood, he proposed expelling from Virginia the children of white women and black men. Jefferson also dodged opportunities to undermine slavery or promote racial equality. As a state legislator he blocked consideration of a law that might have eventually ended slavery in the state.

5 Reasons America Is Not -- And Has Never Been -- a Christian Nation | Alternet
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The Slaves' Story | Jefferson's Blood | FRONTLINE | PBS