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Consenting adults?
first of all, polygamy is consenting adults so you think that should be legal?
second of all, what arbitrary age are you going to set as the age of an adult? 12? 14? 16? 18? 20?
Third why cant the animal consemt? You've thrown out God so humans are just another type of animal, so why cant other types of animals conscent?
first of all, polygamy is consenting adults so you think that should be legal?
second of all, what arbitrary age are you going to set as the age of an adult? 12? 14? 16? 18? 20?
Third why cant the animal consemt? You've thrown out God so humans are just another type of animal, so why cant other types of animals conscent?
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Also thriftshoppop, perhaps you should do some real research and read where the term "separation of church and state" comes from.
it comes from baptists not wanting the state to choose a state religion that enforces over everyone, you know like choosing atheism as the state religion and then forcing crosses to be taken down and churches to be demolished.
it comes from baptists not wanting the state to choose a state religion that enforces over everyone, you know like choosing atheism as the state religion and then forcing crosses to be taken down and churches to be demolished.
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You can believe that if you want. You can believe in the Easter bunny and Santa Claus, too, and you'll be just as disillusioned when you learn the truth about them as you will be when you learn that you're wrong about that, too.
No one said it was, and that isn't the same thing as knowing this nation was founded on Christian values.
Only Jefferson and Franklin were deists, and none pushed for the kind of separation of church and state you think exists. Your view of it is a confabulation of liberal atheists who want to obliterate the Establishment Clause as it has existed from the day pen was put to paper.
There were only two kinds of people who founded this country, though: Christians, and those who were not, but still acknowledged the God of the universe as Creator.
Jefferson also freed his slaves in his will. Your other links are useless liberal drivel based on wishful thinking and revisionist history.
And you want to link slavery to proofs that the nation wasn't founded on Christian values? Something you need to understand about slavery:
No one said it was, and that isn't the same thing as knowing this nation was founded on Christian values.
Only Jefferson and Franklin were deists, and none pushed for the kind of separation of church and state you think exists. Your view of it is a confabulation of liberal atheists who want to obliterate the Establishment Clause as it has existed from the day pen was put to paper.
There were only two kinds of people who founded this country, though: Christians, and those who were not, but still acknowledged the God of the universe as Creator.
Jefferson also freed his slaves in his will. Your other links are useless liberal drivel based on wishful thinking and revisionist history.
And you want to link slavery to proofs that the nation wasn't founded on Christian values? Something you need to understand about slavery:
- There were five times more abolitionist societies in the South than there were in the North (url="http://www.historynet.com/abolitionist-movement"]Abolitionist Movement[/url])
- The Baptist Church of America split into the American Baptists and Southern Baptists over Southerners declining to add a clause to their constitution banning slaveholders from directorships, but even after the split, the SBC never allowed a slaveholder to hold such an office, and most churches refused to allow a slaveholder to stand as an elder or a deacon.
- The worst offenders against humanity regarding slavery were the traders, who docked their ships, not in the South, but in Boston, New York, Baltimore, and Long Island. The slave markets were in Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, and Delaware. Ironically, it was in these states that the drums were beaten against the South as inhumane bigoted slaveholders, not because that was entirely true, but because the North wanted to destroy the South and prevent its rapidly expanding industrialization that would have ended slavery and outstripped the entrenched North's manufacturing and commerce stranglehold on the country.
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I dont understand where liberals get this notion that the governmsnt gives us rights or that the constitution says what government can do.
We have God given inallienable rights as John Locke pointed out and the founding fathers knew that. That is why when they drafted the constitution the made sure it was a document designed to abridge the powers of government, not expand them. Everything the constitution stood for was what the government could NOT do to its citzenry and yet, here we are with liberals justifying government infringement upon God given rights by pointing vaguely to the constitution with no understanding of what the document says or stands for.
No wonder this country is in the crapper, we let liberals make everyone into idiots, and an idiot cant fight for his rights if he doesnt know them. Even worse, liberals have convinced the idiots to fight to take away their own rights.
*trembling, white knuckled fists at time of writing*
ive gotta calm down, get back to work. Does anyone else feel like a Jeremiah at times?
We have God given inallienable rights as John Locke pointed out and the founding fathers knew that. That is why when they drafted the constitution the made sure it was a document designed to abridge the powers of government, not expand them. Everything the constitution stood for was what the government could NOT do to its citzenry and yet, here we are with liberals justifying government infringement upon God given rights by pointing vaguely to the constitution with no understanding of what the document says or stands for.
No wonder this country is in the crapper, we let liberals make everyone into idiots, and an idiot cant fight for his rights if he doesnt know them. Even worse, liberals have convinced the idiots to fight to take away their own rights.
*trembling, white knuckled fists at time of writing*
ive gotta calm down, get back to work. Does anyone else feel like a Jeremiah at times?
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Of course you have to ignore the facts of the immoral and deviant behavior to try and justify the immoral and deviant behavior...And because two sexual deviants claim to be in love, are we supposed to corrupt our society to approve there sin? No of course not! We should be speaking against this destructive lifestyle just like we do all destructive lifestyles...not making room for it and trying to promote it.
I treat these folks with the "equality" I do other folks who are in sin and need help.
I treat these folks with the "equality" I do other folks who are in sin and need help.
Whether or not this country was founded on Christian values is irrelevant. If our founding fathers were all atheists it is irrelevant. This country was founded upon certain rights we as humans have. Not just Americans, but humans all over the world. The problem is we have certain groups that want to diminish others rights so they can have power. No one is willing to share this country or planet. There's always someone that wants more than the other.
There is a woman in Washington that lost her business of 40 years because she refused to provide flowers for a wedding. The court costs alone are going to cause her to probably lose her house as well. Is hurting others a way to gain civil rights? No. Because of her faith she felt convicted and did not feel she should provide services for an event she knew was a sin. Because she said no she is losing everything. She isn't the only one that is losing their businesses either. Now, a Christian can't really run a business out of fear of being sued because of their faith. These people don't want civil rights. They don't want equality. They want to live in the world with no consequence and silent anyone that opposes them. That isn't tolerance. It's greed. It's evil, and if this continues it will bring the fall of this country.
You can talk about people drinking the Coolaid all you want, but until people start actually respecting others this country is going to Hell quickly.
Local government officials are refusing to do any marriages at all because of gay marriage. They are having to put their jobs on the line because of this. This ruling was a clever one. It isn't just making gay marriage legal. It is slowly pushes any God fearing Christian out of political offices, and causing them to lose their businesses.
There is a woman in Washington that lost her business of 40 years because she refused to provide flowers for a wedding. The court costs alone are going to cause her to probably lose her house as well. Is hurting others a way to gain civil rights? No. Because of her faith she felt convicted and did not feel she should provide services for an event she knew was a sin. Because she said no she is losing everything. She isn't the only one that is losing their businesses either. Now, a Christian can't really run a business out of fear of being sued because of their faith. These people don't want civil rights. They don't want equality. They want to live in the world with no consequence and silent anyone that opposes them. That isn't tolerance. It's greed. It's evil, and if this continues it will bring the fall of this country.
You can talk about people drinking the Coolaid all you want, but until people start actually respecting others this country is going to Hell quickly.
Local government officials are refusing to do any marriages at all because of gay marriage. They are having to put their jobs on the line because of this. This ruling was a clever one. It isn't just making gay marriage legal. It is slowly pushes any God fearing Christian out of political offices, and causing them to lose their businesses.
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Absolutely.
Who sets the voting age?
How do they set the voting age/ according to what principle?
Why does the right to vote arbitrarily mean you are an adult?
What if the voting age was 12?
who made you the ruler and chooser of what makes someone a consenting adult?
how do you know the animal isnt consenting?
who are you to get in the way of their love?
you are giving arbitrary arguments based on how you feel and are being a bigot in the process. Who are you to deny a pedophile his love? Who are you to deny a zoophile their love? Who are you to deny a necrophiliac their love? Who are you to deny an incestuous couple their love? You are ok with gay marriage and polygamy yet you wont allow those types of marriage because you dont like them, for no good reason besides that.
Who sets the voting age?
How do they set the voting age/ according to what principle?
Why does the right to vote arbitrarily mean you are an adult?
What if the voting age was 12?
who made you the ruler and chooser of what makes someone a consenting adult?
how do you know the animal isnt consenting?
who are you to get in the way of their love?
you are giving arbitrary arguments based on how you feel and are being a bigot in the process. Who are you to deny a pedophile his love? Who are you to deny a zoophile their love? Who are you to deny a necrophiliac their love? Who are you to deny an incestuous couple their love? You are ok with gay marriage and polygamy yet you wont allow those types of marriage because you dont like them, for no good reason besides that.
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I owe you all a apology. I am on a Christian chat site actually arguing for equal rights. I see people as people.
I realize I am out-numbered (and I have realized I am only arguing for arguments sake. Nothing I say would make you think or change your minds, attitudes...hearts). I will never agree with your ideals....but I guess that's the freedom of thought right?
Love, grant grace, forgiveness and offer peace.
You do you.
I realize I am out-numbered (and I have realized I am only arguing for arguments sake. Nothing I say would make you think or change your minds, attitudes...hearts). I will never agree with your ideals....but I guess that's the freedom of thought right?
Love, grant grace, forgiveness and offer peace.
You do you.
Orly sorely needs help.
Most of us know what an "adult" is - and most of us can define "informed consent".
Quite obviously, ewe cannot get consent from your pet sheep, no matter how pretty she might be.
And most dead bodies could have trouble saying "yes".
Incest ... hmmm not quite so sure. After all, there's heaps of that sort of hanky-panky amongst God's 'good guys'.
With whom did Cain get up close and personal ?
We're told that Abraham and Sara had more than the odd frolic.
And then there's Lot and his daughters ....................................
Most of us know what an "adult" is - and most of us can define "informed consent".
Quite obviously, ewe cannot get consent from your pet sheep, no matter how pretty she might be.
And most dead bodies could have trouble saying "yes".
Incest ... hmmm not quite so sure. After all, there's heaps of that sort of hanky-panky amongst God's 'good guys'.
With whom did Cain get up close and personal ?
We're told that Abraham and Sara had more than the odd frolic.
And then there's Lot and his daughters ....................................
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To Elizabeth, I ask only this.
If the business owner's religion held that blacks bore the mark of Cain or that women should not buy some particular item .....
would it be OK for that owner to refuse service to someone who had the misfortune to be born black or (shock, horror) to be born female ?
Why then would it be OK to discriminate against someone who was born gay ?
And don't let's kid ourselves that gays are not born with that orientation.
(Some might argue that God made them that way - or at least condoned it).
I've known quite a few over the years and certainly never met one who chose to be gay.
It is not an easy path - forever facing bigotry and prejudice particularly from the religious right.
If the business owner's religion held that blacks bore the mark of Cain or that women should not buy some particular item .....
would it be OK for that owner to refuse service to someone who had the misfortune to be born black or (shock, horror) to be born female ?
Why then would it be OK to discriminate against someone who was born gay ?
And don't let's kid ourselves that gays are not born with that orientation.
(Some might argue that God made them that way - or at least condoned it).
I've known quite a few over the years and certainly never met one who chose to be gay.
It is not an easy path - forever facing bigotry and prejudice particularly from the religious right.
