Global Warming, Is It A Man Made Hoax?

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Truth7t7

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Coldest Temperatures Ever Measured in the Contiguous U.S.


February 26, 2019, 1:26 AM ESTshare

Above: Personnel from local and national media outlets check out the official NWS COOP temperature sensor in Cotton, Minnesota. The sensor measured a temperature of -56°F on January 27 and 31, 2019, the coldest readings in the contiguous U.S. since 1996. The site was also visited by NWS personnel from the Duluth office on the morning of January 31, 2019, to check on the quality of the instruments. They reported that “all of the equipment was in good working order”. The site is located on low ground near a river, which is a relatively new location for the Cotton COOP instrumentation (since late 2014). The former Cotton COOP site existed from 1962 to 2002. Image credit: NWS/Duluth.
 

Magenta

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Climate change may be a better term. Oh, sure, the climate changes all the time, but the perceived warming trend alarm has more to do with glaciers, the polar ice shelves, and Greenland in general melting away at exponential rates. Another thing with climate change is the extremes, for instance, cold places getting colder, hot places getting hotter, weather phenomena such as hurricanes and tornadoes increasing in intensity and severity, dry places getting drier, wet places getting wetter, and that sort of thing etc... or so I have been told :geek:
 

Roughsoul1991

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So despite evidence for or against climate change, despite opposing scientific opinions, we are seeing change. The only real question though is what is causing it? Is it natural or manmade.

If natural then there is nothing we can do. If man made then we must ask what is mankind doing to cause it and can it be fixed?

If it is something of mankind causing the climate to change in more severity then at what length would we have to go to stop it or curve it back down.


The United States is in position 89 on air pollution rankings.
https://www.numbeo.com/pollution/rankings_by_country.jsp

Meaning 87 other countries are polluting more than the US. China being at #14.

Even if the US or Allies completely separated from fossil fuels, would it change enough to make a difference while many of the other countries around the world do not have the means to change or simply do not care. Would you be able to force China? They are busy building their military while breaking every human right and do not care about how much pollution it makes.

The US in ranking does a incredible job in comparison to be a world superpower.

If we see no change even with our efforts then your only option is WW3 to force all other countries or die eventually.
 

DorotheaSofia

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Climate change may be a better term. Oh, sure, the climate changes all the time, but the perceived warming trend alarm has more to do with glaciers, the polar ice shelves, and Greenland in general melting away at exponential rates. Another thing with climate change is the extremes, for instance, cold places getting colder, hot places getting hotter, weather phenomena such as hurricanes and tornadoes increasing in intensity and severity, dry places getting drier, wet places getting wetter, and that sort of thing etc... or so I have been told :geek:
Wunderground.com

Coldest Temperatures Ever Measured in the Contiguous U.S.

February 26, 2019, 1:26 AM ESTshare

Above: Personnel from local and national media outlets check out the official NWS COOP temperature sensor in Cotton, Minnesota. The sensor measured a temperature of -56°F on January 27 and 31, 2019, the coldest readings in the contiguous U.S. since 1996. The site was also visited by NWS personnel from the Duluth office on the morning of January 31, 2019, to check on the quality of the instruments. They reported that “all of the equipment was in good working order”. The site is located on low ground near a river, which is a relatively new location for the Cotton COOP instrumentation (since late 2014). The former Cotton COOP site existed from 1962 to 2002. Image credit: NWS/Duluth.
it´s not about getting warmer everywhere but rather about more extreme weather phenomenons. Magenta already explained that really well. Climate change is not a hoax, but it is man-made in great parts!
 

Roughsoul1991

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it´s not about getting warmer everywhere but rather about more extreme weather phenomenons. Magenta already explained that really well. Climate change is not a hoax, but it is man-made in great parts!
It is always back to what degree does mankind contribute.


90 Italian scientists sign petition addressed to Italian leaders
To the President of the Republic
To the President of the Senate
To the President of the Chamber of Deputies
To the President of the Council

PETITION ON GLOBAL ANTHROPGENIC HEATING (Anthropogenic Global Warming, human-caused global warming)

The undersigned, citizens and scientists, send a warm invitation to political leaders to adopt environmental protection policies consistent with scientific knowledge.

In particular, it is urgent to combat pollution where it occurs, according to the indications of the best science. In this regard, the delay with which the wealth of knowledge made available by the world of research is used to reduce the anthropogenic pollutant emissions widely present in both continental and marine environmental systems is deplorable.

But we must be aware that CARBON DIOXIDE IS ITSELF NOT A POLLUTANT. On the contrary, it is indispensable for life on our planet.

https://notrickszone.com/2019/07/04...rated-catastrophic-predictions-not-realistic/
 

Magenta

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So despite evidence for or against climate change, despite opposing scientific opinions, we areseeing change. The only real question though is what is causing it? Is it natural or manmade.

If natural then there is nothing we can do. If man made then we
must ask what is mankind doing to cause it and can it be fixed?

If it is something of mankind causing the climate to change in more severity
then at what length would we have to go to stop it or curve it back down.
Re-posted from SYM in BDF earlier today:

63 billion gallons of oil are used every year just to supply the U.S. with
plastic water bottles, more than 90% of which are one-time use only.
The U.S. alone throws away 38 billion bottles every year, equaling 2 million
tonnes of plastic going into U.S. landfills, and that is only counting water
bottles, amounting to approximately 300 pounds of single-use plastic
disposed per person per year. 80% of the litter along the shorelines of the
Great Lakes is plastic. This level of plastic debris is found all around the world.
The Mediterranean Sea is one of the most polluted bodies of water on the planet,
where recent findings show a 1-to-2 ratio of plastic to plankton. That is not
counting other types of garbage such as metal, rubber, and netting etc.


From A Plastic Ocean

:(
 

Roughsoul1991

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Re-posted from SYM in BDF earlier today:

63 billion gallons of oil are used every year just to supply the U.S. with
plastic water bottles, more than 90% of which are one-time use only.
The U.S. alone throws away 38 billion bottles every year, equaling 2 million
tonnes of plastic going into U.S. landfills, and that is only counting water
bottles, amounting to approximately 300 pounds of single-use plastic
disposed per person per year. 80% of the litter along the shorelines of the
Great Lakes is plastic. This level of plastic debris is found all around the world.
The Mediterranean Sea is one of the most polluted bodies of water on the planet,
where recent findings show a 1-to-2 ratio of plastic to plankton. That is not
counting other types of garbage such as metal, rubber, and netting etc.


From A Plastic Ocean

:(
Is plastic raising the global temperature?

High-income countries, including most of Europe, North America, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea have very effective waste management infrastructure and systems.

We see a very strong geographical clustering of mismanaged plastic waste, a high share of the world’s ocean plastics pollution has its origin in Asia. China contributes the highest share of mismanaged plastic waste with around 28 percent of the global total, followed by 10 percent in Indonesia, 6 percent for both the Philippines and Vietnam. Other leading countries include Thailand (3.2 percent); Egypt (3 percent); Nigeria (2.7 percent) and South Africa (2 percent). We discuss why such countries have high mismanaged plastic waste rates later in this entry.

Whilst many countries across Europe and North America had high rates of per capita plastic generation, once corrected for waste management, their contribution to mismanaged waste at risk of ocean pollution is significantly lower.

https://ourworldindata.org/plastic-pollution#mismanaged-plastic-waste
 

Billyd

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If we have any sense at all, we know that climate change is real. What we can't say is to what extent mankind is contributing to it. We only have to look around us to see that many of the things that we are doing negatively effect our climate. We cannot change the natural events that effect our climate, but we can reduce our impact on the climate. God gave us dominion over the earth. Are we really exercising the responsibilities that come with that dominion?
 

Billyd

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We can't eliminate plastic overnight. We can work towards biodegradable containers.
 

Magenta

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Is plastic raising the global temperature?
That's a great question! :) My search engine revealed this answer:

Nearly every piece of plastic begins as a fossil fuel, and greenhouse gases are emitted at each of each stage of the plastic life-cycle: (1) fossil fuel extraction and transport, (2) plastic refining and manufacture, (3) managing plastic waste, and (4) its ongoing impact on our oceans, waterways, and landscape.

Greenhouse gas emissions from the plastic life-cycle itself are adding some extra decimals to the global temperature rise observed. The plastic industry is planning a massive production expansion soon, so the problem is expected to escalate even more in the coming decades.
More here :)
 

bojack

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it´s not about getting warmer everywhere but rather about more extreme weather phenomenons. Magenta already explained that really well. Climate change is not a hoax, but it is man-made in great parts!
With all due respect .. No, it was about man causing too much co2 rising to ''dangerous'' levels and charging a global trillions of dollars carbon tax to scam the people out of their money .. It is a lie .. And then that too much co2 in the atmosphere would cause sea level rise and other catastrophes, another lie from hell .. And yes it was about warming temperatures that snow would even stop in many places and many kids would never see snow again :cry: .. There's plenty of proof MMGW is a lie .. And we are actually entering a global cooling phase according to recent weather and real science records and data from the past , wouldn't you know it .. BTW our east coast was predicted to be under 10' of water by 2010 , yet bankers are still financing trillions of dollars of coastal property investments .. Follow the money
 

bojack

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That's a great question! :) My search engine revealed this answer:

Nearly every piece of plastic begins as a fossil fuel, and greenhouse gases are emitted at each of each stage of the plastic life-cycle: (1) fossil fuel extraction and transport, (2) plastic refining and manufacture, (3) managing plastic waste, and (4) its ongoing impact on our oceans, waterways, and landscape.

Greenhouse gas emissions from the plastic life-cycle itself are adding some extra decimals to the global temperature rise observed. The plastic industry is planning a massive production expansion soon, so the problem is expected to escalate even more in the coming decades. More here:)
Hi Sis, Dr James Tour seems to have a great new cheap, easy solution to convert all waste plastic to valuable graphene sheets
 

bojack

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Wunderground.com

Coldest Temperatures Ever Measured in the Contiguous U.S.

February 26, 2019, 1:26 AM ESTshare

Above: Personnel from local and national media outlets check out the official NWS COOP temperature sensor in Cotton, Minnesota. The sensor measured a temperature of -56°F on January 27 and 31, 2019, the coldest readings in the contiguous U.S. since 1996. The site was also visited by NWS personnel from the Duluth office on the morning of January 31, 2019, to check on the quality of the instruments. They reported that “all of the equipment was in good working order”. The site is located on low ground near a river, which is a relatively new location for the Cotton COOP instrumentation (since late 2014). The former Cotton COOP site existed from 1962 to 2002. Image credit: NWS/Duluth.
-56* BRRRRRR .. o_O
 

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Many years ago MIT professor Noam Chomsky presented to say climate change is a hoax of the liberal front.
I don't disagree. Al Gore received the Nobel for his movie, Inconvenient Truth. This was a full length theatrical production intended to convince viewers global warming is a very scary issue happening now. The movie was produced in 2006.
How then did that movie qualify for the Nobel ? As a prime propaganda piece?

I agree with Dr.Chomsky's observation at least as pertains to Mr.Gore's collaboration in the hoax. Because Inconvenient Truth took clips from a Hollywood fiction, The Day After Tomorrow, and spliced them into the global warming docudrama.
For me that discredited the rest of the presentation. If it is true why borrow fiction from Hollywood.

Our climate does change of course. It is natural also that our presence and use of fossil fuels and other measures taken for the convenience of our living will contribute to air, water, and ground pollution. And those then will impact the climate itself.
And the solutions implemented thus far as that which promises to be less impacting on the environment and climate are in fact deeply impacting on our bank accounts instead.
 

Roughsoul1991

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That's a great question! :) My search engine revealed this answer:

Nearly every piece of plastic begins as a fossil fuel, and greenhouse gases are emitted at each of each stage of the plastic life-cycle: (1) fossil fuel extraction and transport, (2) plastic refining and manufacture, (3) managing plastic waste, and (4) its ongoing impact on our oceans, waterways, and landscape.

Greenhouse gas emissions from the plastic life-cycle itself are adding some extra decimals to the global temperature rise observed. The plastic industry is planning a massive production expansion soon, so the problem is expected to escalate even more in the coming decades. More here:)
So basically we need to prevent a 1 to 2 degree warming.

We are at a .2 increase every decade.

2030 to 2050 is the estimated time of hitting dire consequences according to https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2878/a-degree-of-concern-why-global-temperatures-matter/

The question becomes can a few nations counter the pollution of places like China, India, Africa, middle east, etc to stop the progression? Can we do it without destroying our economy and making us a weaker nation compared to our enemies who do not care about pollution?

If we are looking at this kind of scale as a Apocalypse then Biblically the rapture is coming quite quickly. Maybe only a few years away.
 

Billyd

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Global climate change, sea level is rising at a rate of 1/8 inch per year. From 1993 to 2014, it rose a total of 2.4 inches. At the rate of 1/8 inch per year, the ocean will rise just over a foot in the next 100 years.

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

"The two major causes of global sea level rise are thermal expansion caused by warming of the ocean (since water expands as it warms) and increased melting of land-based ice, such as glaciers and ice sheets. The oceans are absorbing more than 90 percent of the increased atmospheric heat associated with emissions from human activity."

Note: This is the average rate of change. What we are seeing now with the increase in of ocean temperature is more frequent, stronger and larger storms. What will it be like in 10, 20, 100 years?
 

Roughsoul1991

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Global climate change, sea level is rising at a rate of 1/8 inch per year. From 1993 to 2014, it rose a total of 2.4 inches. At the rate of 1/8 inch per year, the ocean will rise just over a foot in the next 100 years.

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

"The two major causes of global sea level rise are thermal expansion caused by warming of the ocean (since water expands as it warms) and increased melting of land-based ice, such as glaciers and ice sheets. The oceans are absorbing more than 90 percent of the increased atmospheric heat associated with emissions from human activity."

Note: This is the average rate of change. What we are seeing now with the increase in of ocean temperature is more frequent, stronger and larger storms. What will it be like in 10, 20, 100 years?
Sounds Biblical to the events in the tribulation period.
 

bojack

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If we have any sense at all, we know that climate change is real. What we can't say is to what extent mankind is contributing to it. We only have to look around us to see that many of the things that we are doing negatively effect our climate. We cannot change the natural events that effect our climate, but we can reduce our impact on the climate. God gave us dominion over the earth. Are we really exercising the responsibilities that come with that dominion?
God created all Carbon in the beginning .. The oceans, rivers, lakes and swamps are literally bubbling up methane carbon .. Ants and termites alone produce more methane/carbon than all man and machinery .. More Carbon is still in earth than before the flood buried all plants and animals now in the form of gas, coal and oil . CO2 is not the warming problem if there were one ..