Guy wearing Trump MAGA hat refused service at a NYC Village bar.

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I don't drink alcohol but I don't oppose others drinking it responsibly and in moderation.

I'd actually argue against those who object to it if they tried to claim it's Biblically wrong.

To my knowledge, Trump's decision to not drink is based on what he saw happen to his brother as a result of alcohol abuse.
It was a joke, my friend. The bartender probably wasn't even familiar with Trump's take on alcohol.
 
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"A female bartender served Piatek a $15 jalapeño margarita.. "

Ummm, this is a hate crime. :rolleyes:
 
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sounds like sue bait. He most likely already knew they would not serve him.
And you'd say the exact words with the same nonchalant attitude if your wife was refused service because of her pigmentation.
 

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I don't drink alcohol but I don't oppose others drinking it responsibly and in moderation.

I'd actually argue against those who object to it if they tried to claim it's Biblically wrong.

To my knowledge, Trump's decision to not drink is based on what he saw happen to his brother as a result of alcohol abuse.
That's the reason also that I decide to not drink alcohol, did not want to end up like my brother. I stopped drinking in 1992. Don't miss it.
 
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"A female bartender served Piatek a $15 jalapeño margarita.. "

Ummm, this is a hate crime. :rolleyes:
Being refused service at that bar may can save people from bankruptcy.
 
Jan 24, 2009
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Yeah, that's my estimation also.

So we have the case of Barronelle Stutzman, owner of Arlene’s Flowers, who had provided different arrangements for a gay friend for some
10 years.

Then this gay friend asks her to help with wedding flowers for him and his male "fiance".

In your estimation, is that "sue bait" as well? If so, are you bothered by the gay "couple"'s request.
 
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Problem is that both the Left and the Right are going into whining mode these days.
What would you say is the proper response of the right that wouldn't qualify as "whining"?
 

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So we have the case of Barronelle Stutzman, owner of Arlene’s Flowers, who had provided different arrangements for a gay friend for some
10 years.

Then this gay friend asks her to help with wedding flowers for him and his male "fiance".

In your estimation, is that "sue bait" as well? If so, are you bothered by the gay "couple"'s request.
Not bothered at all about gay couple's request.
 

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I think the whole situation highlights the hypocrisy in politics today. The Left goes nuts and sues when a florist or baker refuses to do business with a homosexual couple for a wedding, yet will refuse to serve someone else based on political leanings.
I completely agree.

People have the right to sue anyone for anything with our current set up. I won't say he doesn't have the right to sue because he was refused service... but I think government should stay out of private business affairs. Allow word-of-mouth to tear down any business that discriminates... not the government's intervention. This applies to the baker who refuses to make a gay cake and the bar owner who refuses to serve Trump supporters. Just my belief anyways.
 

Smoke

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Problem is that both the Left and the Right are going into whining mode these days.
Yup! While the left and right have opposite stances, many of them are united in wanting the government to step in and take the rights away from the business owners to accommodate their personal views.
 
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Not bothered at all about gay couple's request.

So we have the case of Barronelle Stutzman, owner of Arlene’s Flowers, who had provided different arrangements for a gay friend for some
10 years.

Then this gay friend asks her to help with wedding flowers for him and his male "fiance".

In your estimation, is that "sue bait" as well? If so, are you bothered by the gay "couple"'s request.
In your estimation, is that "sue bait" as well?
 
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Yup! While the left and right have opposite stances, many of them are united in wanting the government to step in and take the rights away from the business owners to accommodate their personal views.
Are Muslim and Jewish business owners being forced to provide services that are in conflict with their faith?

Skip to 1:45 in the video


[video=youtube;RgWIhYAtan4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4[/video]
 

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And you'd say the exact words with the same nonchalant attitude if your wife was refused service because of her pigmentation.
Or the management of the establishment knew the guy was just there to troll them.. would you let someone into your establishment if you knew he came there just to cause trouble?
 

Smoke

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Are Muslim and Jewish business owners being forced to provide services that are in conflict with their faith?

Skip to 1:45 in the video


[video=youtube;RgWIhYAtan4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4[/video]
I've seen this video. My personal belief is that the owners should have the right to refuse service to anyone they see fit.

However, if the government IS going to step in (even though I believe they shouldn't), they ought to be consistent. If they go after a Christian baker for refusing to serve a gay couple, they ought to go after Muslims who refuse the same service. It doesn't make sense that the government (be it federal or state/local) picks and chooses when to intervene.
 
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I've seen this video. My personal belief is that the owners should have the right to refuse service to anyone they see fit.
I agree, overall.

However, if the government IS going to step in (even though I believe they shouldn't), they ought to be consistent. If they go after a Christian baker for refusing to serve a gay couple, they ought to go after Muslims who refuse the same service. It doesn't make sense that the government (be it federal or state/local) picks and chooses when to intervene.
It's still interesting to me that, although none of the three major religions endorse fake marriage, there is only outrage about Christians who don't comply.

If the words homophobes/bigots/hatemongers are going to be hurled at Christians, they should also be hurled at Jews and Muslims.

Or is that the LBGTQRSUVWXYZ mafia and the American Criminal Liberties Union just trying to destroy Christianity?
 

Oncefallen

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And you screwed-up by applying your criticism to the wrong post and wrong poster.
nah, I saw what he was doing. No mistake on Dude's part in his post, just in his opinion.
 
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Or the management of the establishment knew the guy was just there to troll them.. would you let someone into your establishment if you knew he came there just to cause trouble?
With all do respect, it seems you want to do exactly this with immigration from the middle east. Oh the irony.
 
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nah, I saw what he was doing. No mistake on Dude's part in his post, just in his opinion.
I think Willie was using the same rationale in his post.Pretty clever deflection.:)
 
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Or the management of the establishment knew the guy was just there to troll them.. would you let someone into your establishment if you knew he came there just to cause trouble?
That's not like you to throw someone under the bus like that. The guy is a law abiding citizen who wanted to associate with two friends at this particular establishment but he endured the cynical, twisted, hypocritical wrath of the all loving, open minded left. Remember bro, God is watching.