Herd Immunity -- The Facts

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ZNP

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https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...th/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808

1. Although they say they don't know how long immunity will last if you have recovered from Covid 19 the reality is we don't know how long immunity from the vaccine will last either and those who had SARS appear to be immune to Covid19 and that has lasted for 10 years (countries like Taiwan and Vietnam which were hit hard by SARS fared the best with the Covid pandemic).

2. Herd immunity depends on how transmissible the disease is, they said that 94% of the country has to be immune from Measles to get to herd immunity.

Assume we have to get to at least 80% immune, is that possible with the vaccines? No. Why not? Because of "anti vaxxers? No. It is because this is a worldwide pandemic and 80% of the world's population is over 5 billion people. That is the main reason. The second reason is that the immunity from this vaccine wears off in six months according to Pfizer so not only would you need to vaccinate 5-6 billion people you would have to keep doing that every six months. There is no possible way that will happen and no one is planning to do that. But that is only the main reason, the second reason is that this virus mutates rapidly and within 6 months we already have a new strain that fully vaccinated people can contract. This is why we have never tried to vaccinate people from the common cold.
 

p_rehbein

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World wide, how many people have died from Covid 19 and it's various changlings?
 

ZNP

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World wide, how many people have died from Covid 19 and it's various changlings?
Worldwide the number is over 4 million though there is some dispute as to how accurate that is. Accusations have been made that some countries are under reporting while other countries are accused of over reporting. Still after 16 months it seems fair to say it is much less than the Spanish Flu, at least at this point.
 

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ZNP

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Watch the link in post #4 -- it is a fallacy that treatment doesn't work.
 

ZNP

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As for the number of deaths in the US worldometer has it listed at 629,000 however if you listen to the link on post #4 he cites the CDC which says that less than 10% of those deaths are directly and solely attributable to Covid. 63,000 deaths is a bad, but not terrible, Flu season.
 

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Herd immunity is achieved when at least 70% of the population is vaccinated
 

ZNP

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Herd immunity is achieved when at least 70% of the population is vaccinated
You didn't listen to the doctor. First, herd immunity is based on the transmission rate which is different for every virus, second, herd immunity is based very much on the immunity that occurs when people recover from the disease. Everyone who has previously had the disease should be counted in this.

He also said that asymptomatic transmission is negligible and essentially irrelevant (about 1% of the transmission). Therefore the best way to lower the transmission rate is to simply self quarantine if you have a fever or symptoms. Doing that one thing would greatly reduce transmission rates, and when you reduce transmission rates you reduce how many people need to be immune to have the epidemic die out.

He also said that mass vaccination is a terrible idea. It should be targeted vaccination of the most vulnerable or highest risk people (bus driver, or someone with comorbidities, etc).
 

p_rehbein

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Worldwide the number is over 4 million though there is some dispute as to how accurate that is. Accusations have been made that some countries are under reporting while other countries are accused of over reporting. Still after 16 months it seems fair to say it is much less than the Spanish Flu, at least at this point.
Is it possible that this Virus, which continues to mutate, is one of the plagues promised to come? Dunno, just wondering about it...
 

ZNP

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Is it possible that this Virus, which continues to mutate, is one of the plagues promised to come? Dunno, just wondering about it...
I think this plague is undeniably the one that Joel saw and said was a harbinger that the Day of the Lord is near.
 

GaryA

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Herd immunity is achieved when at least 70% of the population is vaccinated
Don't try to make it seem like a 'vaccine' is required - herd immunity may be achieved without any 'vaccine' at all - natural immunity is the baseline truth.
 

ZNP

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ZNP

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Typically if you have more than 50 deaths from a vaccine it will halt its use in the US.

More than 10,991 people have died from the Covid Vaccines in the US alone.

DefendingTheRepublic.org/COVID
 

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Is it possible that this Virus, which continues to mutate, is one of the plagues promised to come? Dunno, just wondering about it...
Right now I'm wondering if I should stock up on toilet paper. Just had a shipment arrive yesterday. Might be time to reorder. Right now I'm thinking hand sanitizer. Probably should get some more Lysol wipes too. I like the lemony ones best 'cause they smell fresh and clean.
 

ZNP

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As for the number of deaths in the US worldometer has it listed at 629,000 however if you listen to the link on post #4 he cites the CDC which says that less than 10% of those deaths are directly and solely attributable to Covid. 63,000 deaths is a bad, but not terrible, Flu season.
If you consider that 10% of the deaths attributed to Covid are people who died solely because of Covid (rather than just lumping anyone who died with Covid into the numbers) then states like Colorado had a 99.99% survival rate. The worst states had about 99.98% survival rate. Now that we know that we have 3 effective treatments we can probably even bring that survival rate even higher.
 

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Right now I'm wondering if I should stock up on toilet paper. Just had a shipment arrive yesterday. Might be time to reorder. Right now I'm thinking hand sanitizer. Probably should get some more Lysol wipes too. I like the lemony ones best 'cause they smell fresh and clean.
 

SophieT

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every time I hear or read 'herd' immunity, this is what comes to mind ^^^^^^^^^
 

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My testimony over Covid = "Without faith it is impossible to please God and that they who come to Him must believe that He IS and is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him."

From DAY ONE when Fauci and others started ordering shut downs of travel etc... I said: This is a Planned Event and I will not Fear man and his lies.

Residing in the most densely populated State in the Nation(New Jersey) I did not wear masks, did not stop my daily outgoing activies, did not panic and am not afraid.

Our heavenly Father says: "BEFORE it comes to pass I will declare it, says the Lord"

"They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death." Revelation 12:11